If Coyle gets the sack

[officer_dibble]

What would be in the aforementioned sack Coyle might get?

Veloceraptor

[IggyTheDawgster]

What would be in the aforementioned sack Coyle might get?

Veloceraptor

Of all the random items I imagined people would come back at me with, That is by far the most impressive and appropriate.

[boltonboris]

PT: Gary Neville may well make a good manager, but not yet: he'd be better served with a year or two on the telly and coaching with England.

SF: Keith Hill has a reputation as a ball-playing manager, whose side very rarely wins away from home. A bit like the last guy, then.

But he's never managed a team that has spent infinitely more than practically every club in the same division. That may suggest the leaky away form (ie; not being able to afford players capable of consistent performances.)

[BWFC_Insane]

What would be in the aforementioned sack Coyle might get?

Veloceraptor

Coyle and a velociraptor in a sack. Question is, which one has the biggest teeth?

[boltonboris]

Which ones more tactically astute is a better question.

[BWFC_Insane]

Which ones more tactically astute is a better question.

Well them velociraptors were organised. They worked in packs.

Imagine Coyle would be taking his medicine, after a terrific velociraptor, with fantastic quality showed him the merits of a 4-2-3-1. At the end of the day though its about the quality of the teeth and not how they are organised or used....

[Wandering Willy]

Unfortunately Coyle keeps using an old wooden front tooth as his main bite.

[TKIZ!]

If I had voted early on I may have gone for the pragmatic choice of Curbishley. However, I'm feeling fanciful and would now be happy with Hierro

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Gary Neville could be a great manager, but the same was said about Andy Gray when Everton tried to tempt him. I don't see how a pundit translates into 'good manager'.

Tactical awareness. Experiential evidence. Talking a good game. Having the respect of the dressing room. I see your point, of course, but those are the usual

Might as well take Jeff Stelling, Richard Keys, or Gary lineker on that basis.

Not true: they're anchors. Massive anchors.

Keith Hill has a reputation as a ball-playing manager, whose side very rarely wins away from home. A bit like the last guy, then.

But he's never managed a team that has spent infinitely more than practically every club in the same division. That may suggest the leaky away form (ie; not being able to afford players capable of consistent performances.)

That is true.

[Prufrock]

I can't say I'd want Neville, as all I have to go off is a rough reckon on his personality. I do think his attitude and knowledge of the game mean I think he could be a good manager. Worth interviewing maybe. I do think of all the Ferguson players he is the one of the best suited to management. A leader, tactically aware, forthright (but not mental - take not, Roy Keane).

As far as I see it, there is no point getting in a McCarthy-style as Coyle has bought a load of players with the intention of getting it down and playing it on the deck. That he has proven utterly incapable of doing so is another matter. A Hill 'type'. My first choice would be trying to lure Poyet, but I'm not sure he'd fancy it. Certainly not 100% sure he wouldn't either though.

[Hoboh]

90% of football management is about man management . Your football knowledge is of secondary importance.

See Mourinho, Sam Allardyce as examples in different ways.

Jose a 'non football' man is the best manager in the game bar none.

Sam Allardyce was never a really top level international as a player, but he learned management and brought in experts in their field from outside football.

Gary Neville could be a great manager, but the same was said about Andy Gray when Everton tried to tempt him. I don't see how a pundit translates into 'good manager'. Might as well take Jeff Stelling, Richard Keys, or Gary lineker on that basis.

So a big no, to Gary Neville. Not because he's an ex United player, but because the key skills required, he has no experience of, demonstrable or otherwise.

I'd say Neville's key skills section on his Cv is far supurior to anything BSA had except he hasn't done a stint as a manager yet. There is no feckin way with GN you'd see anyone 'going through the motions' in a game, the blokes tactically aware and as for man management i think he be very aware of that.
He'd be well worth a punt on IMHO most of the gaffers we are discussing may take us (with luck) back to the lower end of the Prem, thats their limits GN on the other hand will end up dreaming of the Stretford superbowl and that will eventually be his target but to do that he's gonna have to produce the goods!

[BWFC_Insane]

90% of football management is about man management . Your football knowledge is of secondary importance.

See Mourinho, Sam Allardyce as examples in different ways.

Jose a 'non football' man is the best manager in the game bar none.

Sam Allardyce was never a really top level international as a player, but he learned management and brought in experts in their field from outside football.

Gary Neville could be a great manager, but the same was said about Andy Gray when Everton tried to tempt him. I don't see how a pundit translates into 'good manager'. Might as well take Jeff Stelling, Richard Keys, or Gary lineker on that basis.

So a big no, to Gary Neville. Not because he's an ex United player, but because the key skills required, he has no experience of, demonstrable or otherwise.

I'd say Neville's key skills section on his Cv is far supurior to anything BSA had except he hasn't done a stint as a manager yet. There is no feckin way with GN you'd see anyone 'going through the motions' in a game, the blokes tactically aware and as for man management i think he be very aware of that.
He'd be well worth a punt on IMHO most of the gaffers we are discussing may take us (with luck) back to the lower end of the Prem, thats their limits GN on the other hand will end up dreaming of the Stretford superbowl and that will eventually be his target but to do that he's gonna have to produce the goods!

Living in a dream world I'm afraid. He may be very good. But there is no way to determine whether he has the skills of managing people. The most important skill there is.

I could see him winding most of the players up, the wrong way....

But fecking hell.

Its like making the tea boy managing director, cos he talks well and has seen the company being run from afar for a while...

Rather have Mick MCcarthy than take a massive risk on a complete unknown, and Neville is as unknown as it gets....

[Hoboh]

90% of football management is about man management . Your football knowledge is of secondary importance.

See Mourinho, Sam Allardyce as examples in different ways.

Jose a 'non football' man is the best manager in the game bar none.

Sam Allardyce was never a really top level international as a player, but he learned management and brought in experts in their field from outside football.

Gary Neville could be a great manager, but the same was said about Andy Gray when Everton tried to tempt him. I don't see how a pundit translates into 'good manager'. Might as well take Jeff Stelling, Richard Keys, or Gary lineker on that basis.

So a big no, to Gary Neville. Not because he's an ex United player, but because the key skills required, he has no experience of, demonstrable or otherwise.

I'd say Neville's key skills section on his Cv is far supurior to anything BSA had except he hasn't done a stint as a manager yet. There is no feckin way with GN you'd see anyone 'going through the motions' in a game, the blokes tactically aware and as for man management i think he be very aware of that.
He'd be well worth a punt on IMHO most of the gaffers we are discussing may take us (with luck) back to the lower end of the Prem, thats their limits GN on the other hand will end up dreaming of the Stretford superbowl and that will eventually be his target but to do that he's gonna have to produce the goods!

Living in a dream world I'm afraid. He may be very good. But there is no way to determine whether he has the skills of managing people. The most important skill there is.

I could see him winding most of the players up, the wrong way....

But fecking hell.

Its like making the tea boy managing director, cos he talks well and has seen the company being run from afar for a while...

Rather have Mick MCcarthy than take a massive risk on a complete unknown, and Neville is as unknown as it gets....

I suppose Jose gives the players a kiss and tucks them in at night then to make sure he dosen't wind most of the players up, the wrong way

Look you've thrown loads of stick before at BSA, hated LSL's appointment from day one without him ever being given a chance all though his credentials were excellent, backed Megson when a few could see what the muppet was doing to the club and been reasonably ok with Coyles appointment (and being fair so was I ).
So what I'm asking is given YOUR track record why is GN a worse option than a funeral director called Mad Mick?

[BWFC_Insane]

Why? Cos Mick McCarthy is a proven manager who has some accomplishments.

Gary neville, is just a complete unknown.

And Mourinho operates by building a fantastic team spirit, he might give out a bollocking, but his players love him.

Very much like Allardyce did, only better....

To be fair from the outset I had a few reservations with Coyle. But I'm certainly not claiming I was opposed to it at the time.

Thing is its very difficult from the outside to judge as we don't know what criteria are applied and also don't get to speak to the managers to assess them.

I'd pick Keith Hill, from the outside. But if I spoke to all candidates, it may well be different.....

[Hoboh]

Why? Cos Mick McCarthy is a proven manager who has some accomplishments.
Aye, get a promotion then piss about at the bottom of the new league till it all goes pear shaped and I get the boot!
Gary neville, is just a complete unknown.
So were BSA and Jose at one time
And Mourinho operates by building a fantastic team spirit, he might give out a bollocking, but his players love him.
Did GN not carry the team spirit onto the field then at the Redsox's?
Very much like Allardyce did, only better....
Once success comes most people become 'liked' and you want to be a part of it.
To be fair from the outset I had a few reservations with Coyle. But I'm certainly not claiming I was opposed to it at the time.
Ah the weapons of mass destruction moment
Thing is its very difficult from the outside to judge as we don't know what criteria are applied and also don't get to speak to the managers to assess them.
Football is a simple game mainly played by simple people so you need to keep it simple!
I'd pick Keith Hill, from the outside. But if I spoke to all candidates, it may well be different....
As big as risk as Neville in a way if not more due to how little respect he could bring to the table from billy big bollocks ex Prem players.

[thebish]

what about mark hughes?? I've heard he's ace!!

.......oh!

[TANGODANCER]

I'd pick Keith Hill, from the outside. But if I spoke to all candidates, it may well be different.....

Right. We'll make you interviewer and if the new guy turns out crap, you'll get all the shxt and have to take it.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Coyle was a breath of fresh air at the start and looked a great appointment. The way it's all come unravelled since after that initial burst of hope hjas been depressing. He actually made Megsons team look great for a while. The problem is whilst he has been naively attempting to create an entertaining team on a relative budget he has forgotten key things like needing to be organised when we dont have the ball and needing a balance of flair and workhorses oh and of course he seems to have no idea how to judge a decent defender or striker. Too many of his signing s havent worked and he seems incapable of putting out a balanced side.
God knows who our next manager will be. I just hope it's someone who recognises that you must first organise your team and be capable of competing before you can look to one or two flair players to do something special. Someone who values grit character and desire and burns the table tennis gear.

[officer_dibble]

Pru has an interesting point
I was up for an experienced manager...but we need someone who can manage the type of player coyle has signed...moreover we need some coaching staff who can organise. Serious backroom overhall.

[SmokinFrazier]

Pru has an interesting point
I was up for an experienced manager...but we need someone who can manage the type of player coyle has signed...moreover we need some coaching staff who can organise. Serious backroom overhall.

I think this is a key point to the argument you'd go for an experienced manager. Neville's name has bee thrown about a lot, so lets take him for example and someone on the opposite end of the experience level, Mick McCarthy.

Gary Neville may well be tactically astute but he can't do it on his own. He has no experience of scouting and he won't have scouts he can personally rely on. He hasn't worked with many trainers and wouldn't be able to bring in defensive, keeping, attacking etc., coaches who he's worked alongside. For Neville, everything would be completely new and there's obviously a game in that.

On the other hand, someone like Mick McCarthy would probably bring in Terry Connor as his assistant. He has worked alongside countless scouts, coaches and so on, who he can personally rely on. He knows their strengths and their weaknesses.

We aren't ever going to be able to sign a brilliant proven manager. We can't get someone with the experience of Mick McCarthy who we all know is good enough to get us promoted. The best chance of signing a brilliant manager is to pick someone up who none of the bigger clubs have given a chance yet, such as Neville, but for every one success, there are countless failures who prove that a good footballing brain doesn't equate to being a good manager.

It's a tough choice to make. Neither is a perfect appointment and both possible groups of candidates have positives and negatives around them.