If Coyle gets the sack

[Hoboh]

I see your point but if you limit what you allow, you limit who you hire.

As Bobo will confirm I think you can sign agreements limiting the amount of staff you take with you but as you readily acknowledge, many a different (type of) manager will take his men with him - and incomers will want change.

In the scheme of things it doesn't cost much - unless you've got BSA taking two dozen* staff and you want to replace them all. Even then, it's nothing compared to what we paid for Ngog and Sordell.

As a side note of levity, I wonder why Megson needs to keep finding new people?

*A guess.

This is an interesting discussion. I'd argue that Allardyce built his backroom here over time by bringing in "experts" in their field.

Megson went for a developmental coach in Evans to try and help develop some of our younger talent, supposedly.....

Coyle lifted and shifted a whole team with him.

The problem for me is that the team Coyle brought, was not handpicked to be the "best he could find" but people he'd happened to have worked with along the way.

Which leaves us with Fred Barber (a roaring success) being pushed out, for what Jussi believed to be an "inferior" coach.

I don't want to limit the manager we can get. But equally I want us to have the BEST coaches and experts behind the scenes, rather than ones that just happen to know "whoever the next bloke is".

I realise there is a fine balance there. But never again should we discard someone proven like Barber cos the manager wants to bring in someone they've worked with before....

True in all (work) walks of life is that. Rarely does it benefit to clear out everyone with experience and intimate knowledge of a place / people / customers. Any management team who does that is just plain arrogant & clueless.

And usually short lived

[truewhite15]

I just want a manager that understands that sometimes, when we're shipping goals by the potful, setting the team up to deliberately and successfully get a couple of 0-0 draws in succession can do wonders for confidence. I want a manager that doesn't want to outscore the opposition, more stop the opposition from scoring first of all.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Phil Neal yay

[Loyal White]

Did someone really mention Kenny fckin Jackett?

I heard it mentioned. I did.

He's been touted by a couple of people previously and I was simply regurgitating that.

However, on face valve he's done well at Swansea and Milwall so would be interested in hearing reasons why he would not suitable.

Not like the last manager we had who came from Milwall did a decent job?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Gary neville isnt just a pundit btw, he has been coaching for england

For all of 5 minutes. Hardly club football either...

[BWFC_Insane]

Divorce it from football for a minute, if you were running a company with a 50 million pound turnover, and wanted a chief operating officer, or somesuch, would you appoint someone who has never done that role? Or even the level down?

I don't think you would.

I accept football is "different", though I'm not sure it should be.

In reality you are probably MORE likely to appoint someone with mixed success on their CV (Some successes, some less so) than someone who hasn't worked at that level, or the one below it before.

I suppose there is the odd exception. I suppose that there is a slightly different set of parameters.

I'd still say Keith Hill has at least managed a coaching staff and group of players before and achieved results. I'd be very very wary of appointing a manager who has never managed anything before.

But perhaps I'm not a risk taker?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

With you there Insane...

[Gary the Enfield]

Divorce it from football for a minute, if you were running a company with a 50 million pound turnover, and wanted a chief operating officer, or somesuch, would you appoint someone who has never done that role? Or even the level down?

I don't think you would.

I accept football is "different", though I'm not sure it should be.

In reality you are probably MORE likely to appoint someone with mixed success on their CV (Some successes, some less so) than someone who hasn't worked at that level, or the one below it before.

I suppose there is the odd exception. I suppose that there is a slightly different set of parameters.

I'd still say Keith Hill has at least managed a coaching staff and group of players before and achieved results. I'd be very very wary of appointing a manager who has never managed anything before.

But perhaps I'm not a risk taker?

That's not the manager's job, that's the Chairman's.

Keith Hill has less experience in the top flight than Coyle. Or Megson. Or little Sammy Lee.

[Bijou Bob]

Trust me on this one............it'll be Steve Maclaren.

[BWFC_Insane]

Divorce it from football for a minute, if you were running a company with a 50 million pound turnover, and wanted a chief operating officer, or somesuch, would you appoint someone who has never done that role? Or even the level down?

I don't think you would.

I accept football is "different", though I'm not sure it should be.

In reality you are probably MORE likely to appoint someone with mixed success on their CV (Some successes, some less so) than someone who hasn't worked at that level, or the one below it before.

I suppose there is the odd exception. I suppose that there is a slightly different set of parameters.

I'd still say Keith Hill has at least managed a coaching staff and group of players before and achieved results. I'd be very very wary of appointing a manager who has never managed anything before.

But perhaps I'm not a risk taker?

That's not the manager's job, that's the Chairman's.

Keith Hill has less experience in the top flight than Coyle. Or Megson. Or little Sammy Lee.

Debatable there. The chairman's job is to run the club as a whole. The manager still has a large team to manage in terms of coaching staff, players etc. And still is ultimately responsible for the success or otherwise of that "business".

It gets complex because "results" mean two different things.

But anyhow, semantics aside.

Given the level of responsibility, in the real world outside football, would someone who has never managed a single person be put in charge of a large team and be given the responsibility of delivering "results" for a large business?

Keith Hill was being compared to Gary Neville. He may have no "top flight" experience. But there are plenty managers out there with far more top flight experience than Coyle. If thats the criteria.

I'd just be extremely worried giving someone a large team of people to manage, outside of football, if they had no managerial experience prior to that. I'd expect them to start at a smaller level first.

Its all I was saying.....

[TKIZ!]

Left field punt, I'd take this fella. Knows how to get teams promoted and has just left Sampdoria

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[CAPSLOCK]

Keith Hill has less experience in the top flight than Coyle.

Not a problem - he's got a bit in the league we're in

I'll worry about 'top level' if/when we get there, cos sure as eggs are eggs, this clown aint up to it, either

[Joggers Nipple]

Ian Holloway - just for his interviews..

[Gary the Enfield]

Keith Hill has less experience in the top flight than Coyle.

Not a problem - he's got a bit in the league we're in

I'll worry about 'top level' if/when we get there, cos sure as eggs are eggs, this clown aint up to it, either

Not defending him, but so's Coyle. Doesn't mean he'll keep us up (if we manage promotion) so a likely scenario is, after rebuilding his squad and backroom staff in his image, we'd be having the same conversation in 18 months to 2 years.

[CAPSLOCK]

Better that than one or two scenarios I see staring us in the face

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Left field punt, I'd take this fella. Knows how to get teams promoted and has just left Sampdoria

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I've seen this film a few times - gets the team promoted, leaves within six months... Mind you, it has its benefits...

I'm just struggling to imagine us hiring a shortarsed Italian who probably doesn't speak English...

[Athers]

Also there'll be about 5 potential jobs in Serie A before Christmas.

[TKIZ!]

Left field punt, I'd take this fella. Knows how to get teams promoted and has just left Sampdoria

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I've seen this film a few times - gets the team promoted, leaves within six months... Mind you, it has its benefits...

I'm just struggling to imagine us hiring a shortarsed Italian who probably doesn't speak English...

I hears you DSB, just thought it would be a better option than the ones we're presented with and really don't want Schteve McClaren, O'Dreary, Hoddle, Iain Dowie or Souness anywhere near this club

[Tombwfc]

On what basis though? That he's got a foreign name and we don't know much about him?

Mick McCarthy has a comparable record of getting teams promoted into the top division and then not really knowing what to do once there. Nobody seems to want him.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

On what basis though? That he's got a foreign name and we don't know much about him?

Mick McCarthy has a comparable record of getting teams promoted into the top division and then not really knowing what to do once there. Nobody seems to want him.

For the record, I wouldn't be completely against Mick Mac. I like the bloke and at least he's formationally flexible. He'd presumably apply and we'd be somewhat arrogant not to interview him.