Bolton - Leeds

[BWFC_Insane]

Any manager would struggle to replace the quality of Sturridge and Wilshere, regardless of how much time they had. Perhaps it's Coyle's fault for raising our expectations.

Without Sturridge and Wilshere, we were nearly safe by January 2011

We then brought in Sturridge and relegated OUR striker to a midfield role

So, Sturridge, like many of your other points, is a red herring

The players were good enough

From Boxing Day onwards we took 4 points from 21 in seven league games. Elmander scored once during that run.

Coyle then moved to sign Sturridge and the slide was arrested with a 1-0 home win against Wolves. Sturridge got the winner. He then went on to score in each of the next four league games during which we picked up more points than we had in the previous seven.

Piss poor effort at getting your facts right but at least you're giving him credit for 'nearly' getting us to safety with only half the season gone.

Coyle's top target was Carlos Vela. Sturridge was a deadline day afterthought.

How did Sturridge do arresting the slide at the end of the season?

[truewhite15]

Any manager would struggle to replace the quality of Sturridge and Wilshere, regardless of how much time they had. Perhaps it's Coyle's fault for raising our expectations.

Without Sturridge and Wilshere, we were nearly safe by January 2011

We then brought in Sturridge and relegated OUR striker to a midfield role

So, Sturridge, like many of your other points, is a red herring

The players were good enough

From Boxing Day onwards we took 4 points from 21 in seven league games. Elmander scored once during that run.

Coyle then moved to sign Sturridge and the slide was arrested with a 1-0 home win against Wolves. Sturridge got the winner. He then went on to score in each of the next four league games during which we picked up more points than we had in the previous seven.

Piss poor effort at getting your facts right but at least you're giving him credit for 'nearly' getting us to safety with only half the season gone.

Piss poor effort at getting your facts right too. Elmander might only have scored once, but given that he was only playing as a striker in January, it's hardly a fair reflection. He was shifted to right midfield, and then to centre midfield, when Sturridge arrived.

[BL3]

Any manager would struggle to replace the quality of Sturridge and Wilshere, regardless of how much time they had. Perhaps it's Coyle's fault for raising our expectations.

Without Sturridge and Wilshere, we were nearly safe by January 2011

We then brought in Sturridge and relegated OUR striker to a midfield role

So, Sturridge, like many of your other points, is a red herring

The players were good enough

From Boxing Day onwards we took 4 points from 21 in seven league games. Elmander scored once during that run.

Coyle then moved to sign Sturridge and the slide was arrested with a 1-0 home win against Wolves. Sturridge got the winner. He then went on to score in each of the next four league games during which we picked up more points than we had in the previous seven.

Piss poor effort at getting your facts right but at least you're giving him credit for 'nearly' getting us to safety with only half the season gone.

Piss poor effort at getting your facts right too. Elmander might only have scored once, but given that he was only playing as a striker in January, it's hardly a fair reflection. He was shifted to right midfield, and then to centre midfield, when Sturridge arrived.

The run includes the whole of January when he was 'playing as a striker' and before Sturridge arrived.

[CAPSLOCK]

Any manager would struggle to replace the quality of Sturridge and Wilshere, regardless of how much time they had. Perhaps it's Coyle's fault for raising our expectations.

Without Sturridge and Wilshere, we were nearly safe by January 2011

We then brought in Sturridge and relegated OUR striker to a midfield role

So, Sturridge, like many of your other points, is a red herring

The players were good enough

From Boxing Day onwards we took 4 points from 21 in seven league games. Elmander scored once during that run.

Coyle then moved to sign Sturridge and the slide was arrested with a 1-0 home win against Wolves. Sturridge got the winner. He then went on to score in each of the next four league games during which we picked up more points than we had in the previous seven.

Piss poor effort at getting your facts right but at least you're giving him credit for 'nearly' getting us to safety with only half the season gone.

Which of my facts is wrong

Were we not 'nearly safe'

Did we achieve that without Sturridge and Wilshere or did we not

Did Elmander not get shunted out wide and then on to central midfield

FWIW, its my opinion we'd have gone down without Sturridge - it's an opinion most disagreed with at the time

[BL3]

Any manager would struggle to replace the quality of Sturridge and Wilshere, regardless of how much time they had. Perhaps it's Coyle's fault for raising our expectations.

Without Sturridge and Wilshere, we were nearly safe by January 2011

We then brought in Sturridge and relegated OUR striker to a midfield role

So, Sturridge, like many of your other points, is a red herring

The players were good enough

From Boxing Day onwards we took 4 points from 21 in seven league games. Elmander scored once during that run.

Coyle then moved to sign Sturridge and the slide was arrested with a 1-0 home win against Wolves. Sturridge got the winner. He then went on to score in each of the next four league games during which we picked up more points than we had in the previous seven.

Piss poor effort at getting your facts right but at least you're giving him credit for 'nearly' getting us to safety with only half the season gone.

Which of my facts is wrong

Were we not 'nearly safe'

Did we achieve that without Sturridge and Wilshere or did we not

Did Elmander not get shunted out wide and then on to central midfield

FWIW, its my opinion we'd have gone down without Sturridge - it's an opinion most disagreed with at the time

There's no such thing as 'nearly safe'. You either stay up or you don't. You said 'the players were good enough'. You also implied that Sturridge made little difference. The reality is that Elmander was 'relegated to a midfield role' because he hadn't scored a single league goal in January despite playing in his preferred position. He'd only scored one league goal the previous month. Sturridge had an immediate impact and that's what saw us over the line. Those are the facts, like them or not.

[thebish]

no - I'm afraid that's all "opinion"...

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I'd also like to throw in that IMO Sturridge's goals were at the expense of the cohesiveness of the team. By that I mean he scores lost of goals but his style of play means others are less effective by them seeing less of the ball (Sturridge is a fairly selfish striker). This is why he has done reasonably well at Chelsea but doesn't start as many games as his goals might suggest he should.

[truewhite15]

Any manager would struggle to replace the quality of Sturridge and Wilshere, regardless of how much time they had. Perhaps it's Coyle's fault for raising our expectations.

Without Sturridge and Wilshere, we were nearly safe by January 2011

We then brought in Sturridge and relegated OUR striker to a midfield role

So, Sturridge, like many of your other points, is a red herring

The players were good enough

From Boxing Day onwards we took 4 points from 21 in seven league games. Elmander scored once during that run.

Coyle then moved to sign Sturridge and the slide was arrested with a 1-0 home win against Wolves. Sturridge got the winner. He then went on to score in each of the next four league games during which we picked up more points than we had in the previous seven.

Piss poor effort at getting your facts right but at least you're giving him credit for 'nearly' getting us to safety with only half the season gone.

Piss poor effort at getting your facts right too. Elmander might only have scored once, but given that he was only playing as a striker in January, it's hardly a fair reflection. He was shifted to right midfield, and then to centre midfield, when Sturridge arrived.

The run includes the whole of January when he was 'playing as a striker' and before Sturridge arrived.

So...a striker who had scored plenty before Boxing Day only scores once in the next month, having gone on a poor run of form (as many strikers do at some point or other) and you call it a slide? Ridiculous.

[BL3]

So...a striker who had scored plenty before Boxing Day only scores once in the next month, having gone on a poor run of form (as many strikers do at some point or other) and you call it a slide? Ridiculous.

No, i called the run we were on a 'slide'. Sturridge scored 4 goals in 4 games following his debut and yet you're having a go at Coyle for not perservering with Elmander, despite having a go at him for being incapable of dropping out-of-form players earlier in the this thread. Make your mind up.

[bedwetter2]

So...a striker who had scored plenty before Boxing Day only scores once in the next month, having gone on a poor run of form (as many strikers do at some point or other) and you call it a slide? Ridiculous.

No, i called the run we were on a 'slide'. Sturridge scored 4 goals in 4 games following his debut and yet you're having a go at Coyle for dropping him, despite having a go at him for being incapable of dropping out-of-form players earlier in the this thread. Make your mind up.

Then and now. Two very different times connected by one fact; Owen Coyle and his Loony Gang were/are 'managing' matters.

Please concentrate on the here and now. If, as you claim, it is tedious to be called Owen and you really are not related then your opinions are clearly in a small minority. If, despite your claims, you are indeed he then you should not be wasting your time on an independent BWFC forum but instead desperately trying to turn the "slide" around.

I do believe you to be a WUM as no one could be so deranged as to believe the clubs' current situation to be down to bad luck, injuries and refereeing decisions, Owen.