Now he's gone, who's next?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

He's got MXV or some such tattooed. It's some Latin thing for Mussolini, a bit like 13 is for cannabis on Hells Angels.

DVX - meaning Dux (Latin), Il Duce (Italian).

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

He's got MXV or some such tattooed. It's some Latin thing for Mussolini, a bit like 13 is for cannabis on Hells Angels.

He's got 'Dux' the Latin for 'leader' tattooed on his arm.

[BWFC_Insane]

I just don't want a fascist in charge of the playing side of the club, tbh.

But you were okay with someone who openly went to church and prayed to an unknown, Invisible entity?

I know, Crazy isn't it that one man we have just sacked gets by with his beliefs not attacked, Yet a prospective new manager is thrown in the gutter automatically because of his. What is the world coming to.

I dunno, believing in God is somewhat different to hailing a man convicted of serious war crimes as "misunderstood and ethical". IMHO.

[keveh]

Didn't have a clue which thread to put this in, but I'll be on SSN tonight between 5 - 6.

Just done an interview giving my thoughts on where it went wrong and who I think should be next.

Hopefully didn't give the site too much of a bad name!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Here's what the bookies think http://www.oddschecker.com/football/foo ... nt-manager

Interesting (in that it reflects people's betting patterns as much as probability). I hadn't considered Michael Appleton, who does indeed fit the criteria* of young and used to coping with small budget...

* Criteria only expressed by Alan Nixon, not anybody involved with BWFC. The value of your investments can fall as well as rise. In all probability, they'll fall. You never see a bookie on a bike.

[bwfcdan94]

Didn't have a clue which thread to put this in, but I'll be on SSN tonight between 5 - 6.

Just done an interview giving my thoughts on where it went wrong and who I think should be next.

Hopefully didn't give the site too much of a bad name!

will look forward to watching it

[IggyTheDawgster]

Would you trust dicanio to react well under pressure after a run of defeats? It's a pretty big unknown at present.

no - but then that is not the question I am asking.

I am asking what people actually mean about Di Canio - his beliefs/practice - when they say that it is the label "fascist" (not his managerial skills or temperament) that debars him from managing our club. I ask because I am genuinely interested to know what people think they mean by this...

some have quickly assumed it means he is racist, for instance - and I am not sure they are right...

It's not right. He holds a political ideal, Which really can only be applied to Italian politics and has no place outside. The literal translation of Fascio is "Bundle". It has no proper definition because no one knows what it truly is. He sympathised with Mussolini wanting pride in Nationalism and Identity. Political opposition at the time slurred Facism, as have people on this forum, as being racism.

Whatever he believes, It's results on the pitch that matter.

[BWFC_Insane]

Here's what the bookies think http://www.oddschecker.com/football/foo ... nt-manager

Interesting (in that it reflects people's betting patterns as much as probability). I hadn't considered Michael Appleton, who does indeed fit the criteria* of young and used to coping with small budget...

* Criteria only expressed by Alan Nixon, not anybody involved with BWFC. The value of your investments can fall as well as rise. In all probability, they'll fall. You never see a bookie on a bike.

Having read Nixon's story I do wonder about his other "mate" at Palace.......

I'm sure in the past he's billed him as "Coyle mk ll"?

Would fit that criteria. Though would we want another of "Nixon's goldenboys"?

[thebish]

why do we need a manager who can handle a small budgie??

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I just don't want a fascist in charge of the playing side of the club, tbh.

But you were okay with someone who openly went to church and prayed to an unknown, Invisible entity?

I know, Crazy isn't it that one man we have just sacked gets by with his beliefs not attacked, Yet a prospective new manager is thrown in the gutter automatically because of his. What is the world coming to.

I dunno, believing in God is somewhat different to hailing a man convicted of serious war crimes as "misunderstood and ethical". IMHO.

Ok, here is what he said:

In his generally fascinating autobiography (Collins Willow £16.99), Di Canio has this to say about his political leanings: "Perhaps precisely because I am right-wing, I am fascinated by Benito Mussolini. Remember those mobile phone advertisements where they asked people who they would most like to have a one-to-one with? Ian Wright picked Dr Martin Luther King, my choice would have been Mussolini. I own dozens of Mussolini biographies. I think he was a deeply misunderstood individual."

This view is not uncommon in the back streets of Rome, where Di Canio grew up. It stems, one hopes, from nothing more sinister than a superficial reading of the great dictator's role in the cataclysms of the mid-twentieth century. Di Canio is discerning enough to describe many of Il Duce's actions as "vile or calculated" and accuses him of "turning against his sense of right and wrong, compromising his ethics to save the country".

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[Lost Leopard Spot]

DVX - meaning Dux (Latin), Il Duce (Italian).

He's got 'Dux' the Latin for 'leader' tattooed on his arm.

Thank you.

[BWFC_Insane]

I suspect those who are keen on Di Canio, would kick up a stink if an equally talented manager, of Muslim faith who had previously said "Osama did some bad things, but he was a principled man, trying to save his people" or words to that effect.....could be wrong.......

[William the White]

I think it's incontrovertible that di Canio held - and maybe still does - political beliefs sympathetic to Fascism. As for whether Fascism involves racism - it does, without exception, since its extreme nationalism promotes the belief of the virtues of a particular people above and beyond all others. That it is tyrannical is incontrovertible and that Mussolini, di Canio's 'misunderstood' was a tyrant, warmonger and racist is difficult to deny. For evidence of the last accusation I suggest an examination of the treatment of 'Abyssinia', home of the 'lesser breeds' that white races were born to conquer and exploit. Imperialism is a racist institution.

I'd just add my own insignificant two pennorth and say that his appointment (very unlikely in my view) would see the return of my season ticket to Gartside with a request for a refund.

[thebish]

I suspect those who are keen on Di Canio, would kick up a stink if an equally talented manager, of Muslim faith who had previously said "Osama did some bad things, but he was a principled man, trying to save his people" or words to that effect.....could be wrong.......

if your objection to di canio is simply that you think he's a bad manager - then I don't see how that kind of anaolgy fits.

if your objection to Di canio is about his beliefs - then I actually am genuinely interested to know what in particular those beliefs/practices actually are that you find so odious as to make such a comparison with Osama Bin laden...

care to elucidate? (and I don't mean simply repeating made up tales about him having tattooed swastikas or being a Nazi)

[thebish]

I think it's incontrovertible that di Canio held - and maybe still does - political beliefs sympathetic to Fascism.

indeed - but how far does that go? what do we ACTUALLY know about what he specifically believes beyond the rather imprecise "fascist sympathiser" label?

[jaffka]

Right, so no swastika?

it would appear so, I would think that a kiss and tell slag would have brought that story out already

would appear that the source is

The Swastika tattoo he had on his arm suggests otherwise

EDIT: The Swastika tattoo rumour, is apparently just that.. a rumour.

So I'll take it back.

Still a cnut

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[William the White]

I suspect those who are keen on Di Canio, would kick up a stink if an equally talented manager, of Muslim faith who had previously said "Osama did some bad things, but he was a principled man, trying to save his people" or words to that effect.....could be wrong.......

if your objection to di canio is simply that you think he's a bad manager - then I don't see how that kind of anaolgy fits.

if your objection to Di canio is about his beliefs - then I actually am genuinely interested to know what in particular those beliefs/practices actually are that you find so odious as to make such a comparison with Osama Bin laden...

care to elucidate? (and I don't mean simply repeating made up tales about him having tattooed swastikas or being a Nazi)

He has two other fascist tattoos, tbf... I don't know if he has expressed sympathies to Nazism. I do know he used their salute very often - and have posted some images of this charming practice earlier in the thread.

[SmokinFrazier]

I suspect those who are keen on Di Canio, would kick up a stink if an equally talented manager, of Muslim faith who had previously said "Osama did some bad things, but he was a principled man, trying to save his people" or words to that effect.....could be wrong.......

Di Canio is a fascist and supports his countries last fascist ruler. There is a huge difference between that and supporting a terrorist who wants to murder innocent people and enforce a global religion.

Fascism is not inherently evil. It's like saying a socialist must agree with Hitler.

[thebish]

He has two other fascist tattoos, tbf... I don't know if he has expressed sympathies to Nazism. I do know he used their salute very often - and have posted some images of this charming practice earlier in the thread.

I know you did. but - forgive me - I am still asking (as I genuinely don't know - not having read anything Di Canio has written or listened to him talking politics)..

what do we actually know of his beliefs that affect the way he lives his life and relates to the world around him?? I mean - really, actually know, rather than have guessed because of the labels he has given himself or others have attached to him?

some examples of actual odious beliefs that we know for sure that he personally holds or promulgates would help me understand.

[BWFC_Insane]

I suspect those who are keen on Di Canio, would kick up a stink if an equally talented manager, of Muslim faith who had previously said "Osama did some bad things, but he was a principled man, trying to save his people" or words to that effect.....could be wrong.......

Di Canio is a fascist and supports his countries last fascist ruler. There is a huge difference between that and supporting a terrorist who wants to murder innocent people and enforce a global religion.

Fascism is not inherently evil. It's like saying a socialist must agree with Hitler.

And I suspected correctly....

Mussolini murdered innocent people, or are you saying cos that was a while ago its ok?