Now he's gone, who's next?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I don't know if he has expressed sympathies to Nazism. I do know he used their salute very often

Or a Roman Salute that the Nazis appropriated a variant of?

[thebish]

I suspect those who are keen on Di Canio, would kick up a stink if an equally talented manager, of Muslim faith who had previously said "Osama did some bad things, but he was a principled man, trying to save his people" or words to that effect.....could be wrong.......

Di Canio is a fascist and supports his countries last fascist ruler. There is a huge difference between that and supporting a terrorist who wants to murder innocent people and enforce a global religion.

Fascism is not inherently evil. It's like saying a socialist must agree with Hitler.

And I suspected correctly....

Mussolini murdered innocent people, or are you saying cos that was a while ago its ok?

ahhh - so now we are getting somewhere. Just to nail it down - has Di Canio actually said or written anywhere that he thinks Mussolini's murdering of innocent people was a good thing - or something to be aspired to - or something to be repeated? has Di Canio ever said that mussolini's murderous campaign was in any way "ok"?

[BWFC_Insane]

I suspect those who are keen on Di Canio, would kick up a stink if an equally talented manager, of Muslim faith who had previously said "Osama did some bad things, but he was a principled man, trying to save his people" or words to that effect.....could be wrong.......

Di Canio is a fascist and supports his countries last fascist ruler. There is a huge difference between that and supporting a terrorist who wants to murder innocent people and enforce a global religion.

Fascism is not inherently evil. It's like saying a socialist must agree with Hitler.

And I suspected correctly....

Mussolini murdered innocent people, or are you saying cos that was a while ago its ok?

ahhh - so now we are getting somewhere. Just to nail it down - has Di Canio actually said or written anywhere that he thinks Mussolini's murdering of innocent people was a good thing - or something to be aspired to - or something to be repeated? has Di Canio ever said that mussolini's murderous campaign was in any way "ok"?

The fictitious, Muslim didn't say what Osama did was ok either.....he said the same things that Di Canio said about Mussolini.

As I was saying and smokinfrazier has proven is that people will tolerate what is closest to their beliefs.

Di Canio has of course, made a "racist remark" to one of his black players, for which his club Swindon, had to apologise.

[William the White]

I don't know if he has expressed sympathies to Nazism. I do know he used their salute very often

Or a Roman Salute that the Nazis appropriated a variant of?

I think the entire world recognises the significance of that salute. We know the message it is intended to give.

And, today...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ation.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An investigation is not a judgement, of course, but this story is not going away.

[thebish]

ahhh - so now we are getting somewhere. Just to nail it down - has Di Canio actually said or written anywhere that he thinks Mussolini's murdering of innocent people was a good thing - or something to be aspired to - or something to be repeated? has Di Canio ever said that mussolini's murderous campaign was in any way "ok"?

The fictitious, Muslim didn't say what Osama did was ok either.....he said the same things that Di Canio said about Mussolini.

As I was saying and smokinfrazier has proven is that people will tolerate what is closest to their beliefs.

Di Canio has of course, made a "racist remark" to one of his black players, for which his club Swindon, had to apologise.

hmmm - seems like a roundabout answer. I'm guessing if Di Canio actually HAD ever said that mussolini's murderous campaign was in any way "ok" - then you would simply have said "yes he has" and maybe pointed me to the article or book or speech in which he did it.

but as you didn't - I'm gonna assume your answer is a weaselly way of saying "no" whilst not appearing to.

[SmokinFrazier]

I suspect those who are keen on Di Canio, would kick up a stink if an equally talented manager, of Muslim faith who had previously said "Osama did some bad things, but he was a principled man, trying to save his people" or words to that effect.....could be wrong.......

Di Canio is a fascist and supports his countries last fascist ruler. There is a huge difference between that and supporting a terrorist who wants to murder innocent people and enforce a global religion.

Fascism is not inherently evil. It's like saying a socialist must agree with Hitler.

And I suspected correctly....

Mussolini murdered innocent people, or are you saying cos that was a while ago its ok?

No, I'm not and I don't see any proof that Di Canio thinks it was ok either. There are quotes from him where he specifically says that violence is wrong.

Many people idolise Che Guevara. Does that mean they're racist and homophobic too? Does it mean they support mass murder?

[William the White]

I suspect those who are keen on Di Canio, would kick up a stink if an equally talented manager, of Muslim faith who had previously said "Osama did some bad things, but he was a principled man, trying to save his people" or words to that effect.....could be wrong.......

Di Canio is a fascist and supports his countries last fascist ruler. There is a huge difference between that and supporting a terrorist who wants to murder innocent people and enforce a global religion.

Fascism is not inherently evil. It's like saying a socialist must agree with Hitler.

And I suspected correctly....

Mussolini murdered innocent people, or are you saying cos that was a while ago its ok?

ahhh - so now we are getting somewhere. Just to nail it down - has Di Canio actually said or written anywhere that he thinks Mussolini's murdering of innocent people was a good thing - or something to be aspired to - or something to be repeated? has Di Canio ever said that mussolini's murderous campaign was in any way "ok"?

Don't be daft. Mussolini didn't murder anyone. He concentrated on the railway system. And keeping the streets clean. For the rest of it - he was 'misunderstood'.

[thebish]

I don't know if he has expressed sympathies to Nazism. I do know he used their salute very often

Or a Roman Salute that the Nazis appropriated a variant of?

I think the entire world recognises the significance of that salute. We know the message it is intended to give.

And, today...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ation.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An investigation is not a judgement, of course, but this story is not going away.

I'm assuming that salute isn't the ONLY evidence you have?? (if it is - then it's not massively convincing given the confusion of cultures and other possible meanings..)

As for your daily mail story!! Is this the same William who when confronted with Daily Mail stories as "evidence" by Hoboh - dismisses them with a withering glance and a flick of the hair?? (you can do better, I'm sure!) Surely there must be stronger evidence - or even some concrete examples - of Di Canio's views out there somewhere for them to have invoked such enraged certainty?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I don't know if he has expressed sympathies to Nazism. I do know he used their salute very often

Or a Roman Salute that the Nazis appropriated a variant of?

I think the entire world recognises the significance of that salute. We know the message it is intended to give.

And, today...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ation.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An investigation is not a judgement, of course, but this story is not going away.

Except that was back in May and it seems that, following the investigation, the story did go away.

[thebish]

I suspect those who are keen on Di Canio, would kick up a stink if an equally talented manager, of Muslim faith who had previously said "Osama did some bad things, but he was a principled man, trying to save his people" or words to that effect.....could be wrong.......

Di Canio is a fascist and supports his countries last fascist ruler. There is a huge difference between that and supporting a terrorist who wants to murder innocent people and enforce a global religion.

Fascism is not inherently evil. It's like saying a socialist must agree with Hitler.

And I suspected correctly....

Mussolini murdered innocent people, or are you saying cos that was a while ago its ok?

ahhh - so now we are getting somewhere. Just to nail it down - has Di Canio actually said or written anywhere that he thinks Mussolini's murdering of innocent people was a good thing - or something to be aspired to - or something to be repeated? has Di Canio ever said that mussolini's murderous campaign was in any way "ok"?

Don't be daft. Mussolini didn't murder anyone. He concentrated on the railway system. And keeping the streets clean. For the rest of it - he was 'misunderstood'.

if you say so...

but it's not mussolini who is being proposed as manager - it's Di Canio... have you actually got any evidence or knowledge of Di Canio's actual beliefs at all beyond this entertaining bluster??

[SmokinFrazier]

People should be judged by their own actions. Di Canio may like Mussolini but it doesn't mean he's a bad person. How many people consider Gandhi to be a good man? Are they racist because he had racist views on black South Africans? What about the millions of Americans who idolise Lincoln? Are they all as racist as he was? Che Guevara was homophobic, racist and killed countless people in order to enforce his own beliefs. Are those who like him also homophobic racists who support tyranny and murder? Many sports people list Muhammad Ali as their idol but does that mean they support racial segregation like he did? Churchill is a British icon yet he had his own share of intolerant views.

Judge people on their own actions, not the actions of those who they support.

[Norpig]

People should be judged by their own actions. Di Canio may like Mussolini but it doesn't mean he's a bad person. How many people consider Gandhi to be a good man? Are they racist because he had racist views on black South Africans? What about the millions of Americans who idolise Lincoln? Are they all as racist as he was? Che Guevara was homophobic, racist and killed countless people in order to enforce his own beliefs. Are those who like him also homophobic racists who support tyranny and murder? Many sports people list Muhammad Ali as their idol but does that mean they support racial segregation like he did? Churchill is a British icon yet he had his own share of intolerant views.

Judge people on their own actions, not the actions of those who they support.

At the end of the day Di Canio is proving to be a controversial figure and he would put us in the spotlight either for good footballing reasons or bad football / political reasons. I think it is time to move on and look at who is Boltons next manager? At the moment Solskjar seems to be popular, but I am sure there will be a few that will be against him due to his Dirty Manc links???

[Relentless09]

Politics, ideological views and religion should have nothing to do with football. If Di Caneo is the man to take us up and provide a stable long term plan, who cares about his so called views ? Now it would be different if he only played white Christian players and delibrately didn't play/sign other races and religions, that would be a complete disgrace

[boltonboris]

Right, so no swastika?

I heard that he had one when he was at Lazio.. Then had a big garish West Ham badge put over it eventually.

It doesn't surprise me.

[boltonboris]

Here's what the bookies think http://www.oddschecker.com/football/foo ... nt-manager

Interesting (in that it reflects people's betting patterns as much as probability). I hadn't considered Michael Appleton, who does indeed fit the criteria* of young and used to coping with small budget...

* Criteria only expressed by Alan Nixon, not anybody involved with BWFC. The value of your investments can fall as well as rise. In all probability, they'll fall. You never see a bookie on a bike.

ITKFACT ALERT:

He (Appleton) is part of the interview process.

[William the White]

... have you actually got any evidence or knowledge of Di Canio's actual beliefs at all beyond this entertaining bluster??

In detail, no. In essence yes. Already posted. I don't need the detail when I have the essential. The FA though is about to investigate one 'detail'.

[thebish]

Politics, ideological views and religion should have nothing to do with football. If Di Caneo is the man to take us up and provide a stable long term plan, who cares about his so called views ? Now it would be different if he only played white Christian players and delibrately didn't play/sign other races and religions, that would be a complete disgrace

you appear to be contradicting yourself!

and I disagree with your first clause... I, personally, would not want a self-confessed racist managing our club. I think a football club is about MORE than football - it is also about local community and identity. so - I think political ideology CAN be important.

I'm just genuinely unsure about all the claims that surround Di Canio. I wanted to know if anyone on here really knew anything about what he actually believes and how that affects the way he makes decisions or lives his life... but it seems nobody does..

As it happens, I wouldn't have di canio (if it was my choice) simply because he seems a bit unstable to me - and I think we need summat solid and dependable at this particular juncture!

[Beefheart]

I think how much people will care about Di Canio's supposed Facism will depend on a) How much they want him to be manager and b) How well he does if he does get appointed. The same way I'll care less that Solskjaer is an ex-scummer if he gets appointed and we win every week.

[thebish]

... have you actually got any evidence or knowledge of Di Canio's actual beliefs at all beyond this entertaining bluster??

In detail, no. In essence yes. Already posted. I don't need the detail when I have the essential. The FA though is about to investigate one 'detail'.

this salute is the basis of all your knowledge about what Di Canio believes?

blimey!

[Tucking Fypo]

James Beattie was at Bolton train station today, talking about contracts on the phone whilst in the waiting room. Then he got off at Horwich Parkway, around 12:15.

Player? Manager? Coincidence? I'll let you decide.