Now he's gone, who's next?

[Lord Kangana]

If Coyle had maintained anything like his career average, he'd still be here.

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You've obviously not thought this part through. His recent bad record was part of his average. Meaning that either a new incumbent with practically the same record will either be exactly the same (high followed by low, and therefore be a cancer) or will just be "meh". Which will get us nowhere.

[BWFC_Insane]

If Coyle had maintained anything like his career average, he'd still be here.

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You've obviously not thought this part through. His recent bad record was part of his average. Meaning that either a new incumbent with practically the same record will either be exactly the same (high followed by low, and therefore be a cancer) or will just be "meh". Which will get us nowhere.

That may be the case.

Equally we couldnt afford to carry on taking less than a point a game. So a change was required.

It can't entirely be judged on record. Because there are circumstances around people, and certain managers suit certain situations and certain situations. Bit like Bruce Rioch as an example.

[Bruce Rioja]

Bit like Roy Evans was the popular choice with the best record, yet Allardyce was appointed.

Please - desist. Point me in the direction of a single person that wanted Roy Evans. Best record? By 1999 Liverpool had already brought Houllier in to 'work alongside' Evans because he wasn't up to it. Quite a few of us had already recognised what Allardyce had done at Blackpool and was doing with Notts County. I felt the same about Allardyce's appointment as I did about Rioch's.

Rioch who came to us on the back of disastrous spell at Millwall?

You were happy we appointed him?


And Allardyce?

My memory is of Roy Evans being the favourite - I'd have appointed Spackman!

Yes. I was absolutely delighted when we appointed Rioch because I knew he'd instill a level of discipline. I knew what was going on under Neal. The indiscipline beggared belief.

And yes, Allardyce absolutely. Just because you couldn't see further, etc.

And yes - you'd have appointed Spackman.

[Harry Genshaw]

Why doesn't PG be patient as he said he would. Wait for applications to come in rather than chasing up and down the country targeting managers? If you chase a manager surely PG's negotiation hand is at a disadvantage, a case of PG selling to another manager instaed of a manager applying for the post and then interviewed - in which case we have the upper hand on the negotiation table not the other way around

To be fair to PG who's to say this hasn't happened? All this talk of folk 'snubbing us' or 'turning us down' is just that isn't it - talk As far as I can tell, and despite all the tabloid tittle tattle - we haven't offered the job to anyone yet.

[Barefoot Wanderer]

Why doesn't PG be patient as he said he would. Wait for applications to come in rather than chasing up and down the country targeting managers? If you chase a manager surely PG's negotiation hand is at a disadvantage, a case of PG selling to another manager instaed of a manager applying for the post and then interviewed - in which case we have the upper hand on the negotiation table not the other way around

To be fair to PG who's to say this hasn't happened? All this talk of folk 'snubbing us' or 'turning us down' is just that isn't it - talk As far as I can tell, and despite all the tabloid tittle tattle - we haven't offered the job to anyone yet.

so true - probably reading these forums and having a right chuckle !

[Barefoot Wanderer]

and just in case you are reading this Phil, give Big Sam a ring

[a1]

dont know why youre laughin'.

he got his son to answer the phonecall.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Davis' record is no better than Coyle's, FYI.

Depends how you look at it I guess.
Preston playoffs 05/06
Derby won playoffs 07 then he jumped ship
went to forest 2009 playoffs 2010 2011 sacked after rows about lack of backing for signings IIRC

Coyle got Burnley up via playoffs then jumped ship and you know the rest.

I'd say Davies has a reasonable record in the championship consistently getting teams into the playoffs without a lot of money. Of course you could say his record is the same as coyle's ie one promotion via the playoffs. Personally I'd suggest that consistently getting in the top 6 with different clubs over a number of seasons implies he's a good manager at this level. Coyle has done it once but who knows he could move on to other championship clubs and spend the next 6 years getting into the playoffs and missing out. I wont be holding my breath though.

I would think davies' record makes him worth considering . Whether he is the right man for the job? God knows,I certainly wouldnt pretend to.

[Bijou Bob]

I'm slightly surprised by the negativity surrounding any suggestion that Phil Brown gets the job. IIRC he did a sterling job before BSA came in and turned the situation around before Allardyce came near the place. He did a great job at Hull in difficult circumstances and his teams gave us a bloody good run for our money when we played them.

OK, he did nothing at Preston, but then Im not sure anyone could have, given what was happening at Deepdale at the time.

Aside from the comedy tan, I really can't think of a reason not to give him a go TBH, at least on a short term basis.

[SmokinFrazier]

Even if Brown was a good manager, which he isn't, I still wouldn't go for him. He's an incredibly arrogant, dislikable person and the sort our club is better off without. You may get a short increase in form but in the long run, he will always suffer because his ego is bigger and more important than anything else. He's got the wrong mentality for a football manager, just like Roy Keane has. Both would have some success with us but their personal failings would let them down.

Brown is conceited. He will turn the players against him and in the long run, our fans would loathe his arrogance. He's a smarmy, self obsessed arsehole who can't buy a job in football for a reason.

[Lord Kangana]

Enough with the gushing, what's the downside?

[CAPSLOCK]

Even if Brown was a good manager, which he isn't, I still wouldn't go for him. He's an incredibly arrogant, dislikable person and the sort our club is better off without. You may get a short increase in form but in the long run, he will always suffer because his ego is bigger and more important than anything else. He's got the wrong mentality for a football manager, just like Roy Keane has. Both would have some success with us but their personal failings would let them down.

Brown is conceited. He will turn the players against him and in the long run, our fans would loathe his arrogance. He's a smarmy, self obsessed arsehole who can't buy a job in football for a reason.

Are you on about Brown, or Coyle?

[hi there, i'm chris]

Even if Brown was a good manager, which he isn't, I still wouldn't go for him. He's an incredibly arrogant, dislikable person and the sort our club is better off without. You may get a short increase in form but in the long run, he will always suffer because his ego is bigger and more important than anything else. He's got the wrong mentality for a football manager, just like Roy Keane has. Both would have some success with us but their personal failings would let them down.

Brown is conceited. He will turn the players against him and in the long run, our fans would loathe his arrogance. He's a smarmy, self obsessed arsehole who can't buy a job in football for a reason.

Are you on about Brown, or Coyle?

Brown. The clue is in the first line.

[CAPSLOCK]

Thank you Christopher
Are you a particularly short person?

[hi there, i'm chris]

Thank you Christopher
Are you a particularly short person?

I'm not, quite the opposite in fact!

[Lord Kangana]

Can we not confine the grooming to MSN please, this is a football site.

[hi there, i'm chris]

Genuinely am surprised anyone would think Coyle is a dislikeable person despite what's happened in the football side of things. He seems far from it.

[SmokinFrazier]

Genuinely am surprised anyone would think Coyle is a dislikeable person despite what's happened in the football side of things. He seems far from it.

I agree. I think he's a good, respectable, honest person. Probably to his disadvantage actually, because I don't sense him being harsh enough at times, but I certainly don't see where this argument comes from that Coyle isn't a good person. He's a poor manager but admirable away from football.

[a1]

youre not looking hard enough at him.

muamba verses norwich, is one that stands out.

and gerenally his treatment of fabrice around that time until his heart trubs (constant substitutions, despite what the stats and his play said). then he almost had to completely about turn and eulogise him .

you could dislike him for his stubborness alone.

[hi there, i'm chris]

Genuinely am surprised anyone would think Coyle is a dislikeable person despite what's happened in the football side of things. He seems far from it.

I agree. I think he's a good, respectable, honest person. Probably to his disadvantage actually, because I don't sense him being harsh enough at times, but I certainly don't see where this argument comes from that Coyle isn't a good person. He's a poor manager but admirable away from football.

Well, people on here started calling him a c*nt when we started doing badly, so I assume in many people's eyes not achieving in your profession makes you a c*nt.