Boro

[officer_dibble]

Mears got a lot of shit as well
he was shit
but hes a coyle signing figure of hate
bit like robbo and megson

my guess is he doesnt have robbos character though so will wilt

[thebish]

Getting worse? Just remind me how many points we managed in the three games before Coyle was sacked?

here... getting worse..

first game in charge - 3pts
second game in charge - 1pt
third game in charge - 0pts

getting worse

[thebish]

Well more than Sparky does anyway and i think Andrews got something like 8 goals in 20 games or something for Ipswich last season so probably more of a goal threat aswell i'm willing to bet that's more than Sparky will get this season

and more than Andrews will get this season...

Fair enough if you think he adds steel - I thought that was your argument rather than his goal-scoring prowess - what little I have seen of him doesn't give me mental images of steel... maybe I saw him on a bad day - but he looked a bit lightweight to me...

[BWFC_Insane]

Getting worse? Just remind me how many points we managed in the three games before Coyle was sacked?

here... getting worse..

first game in charge - 3pts
second game in charge - 1pt
third game in charge - 0pts

getting worse

Right, though the games got progressively harder.

Fact is Jimmy Phillips has done ok, he's got some improved performances out, but was only ever holding the fort to pass over.

Let's see what's happens over the next few months.

[thebish]

Getting worse? Just remind me how many points we managed in the three games before Coyle was sacked?

here... getting worse..

first game in charge - 3pts
second game in charge - 1pt
third game in charge - 0pts

getting worse

Right, though the games got progressively harder.

but do you think we got progressively more organised? really??

[Lord Kangana]

F*cking brilliant. So now the quality of opposition are important when it comes to assessing results?

Welcome to BWFCi World. You'll never leave.

[BWFC_Insane]

Getting worse? Just remind me how many points we managed in the three games before Coyle was sacked?

here... getting worse..

first game in charge - 3pts
second game in charge - 1pt
third game in charge - 0pts

getting worse

Right, though the games got progressively harder.

but do you think we got progressively more organised? really??

I think we've shown more of a clue under JP, certainly had a gameplan. We've got a lot of attacking talent, but it will need some strong decisions from a manager to pick the right blend because for me e structure of the team needs to change, with more substance in midfield.

JP was probably right to tinker rather than overhaul, but I hope over the next few months that Freedman will see the problems and address them.

Last bloke spent 18 months neither seeing nor addressing the problems he'd created.

I know you're not stupid, so I know you will get the distinction......

[thebish]

I think we've shown more of a clue under JP, certainly had a gameplan.

can you explain the gameplan today - that took petrov off and replaced him with Afobe? the gameplan that left sordell out altogether (cos when Coyle was around that was always down to him..)

[BWFC_Insane]

I think we've shown more of a clue under JP, certainly had a gameplan.

can you explain the gameplan today - that took petrov off and replaced him with Afobe? the gameplan that left sordell out altogether (cos when Coyle was around that was always down to him..)

You keep missing the point with Sordell.

Either Coyle was an idiot for not playing him.

Or an idiot for spunking 3M up the wall to buy him.

I didn't see the game today but sounds like we played ok in patches but cant defend. As for taking Petrov off for Afobe, it sounded odd at the time and those that went seem to back that up.

I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to argue? Are you saying that coming from 2-down to beat Bristol and coming again from behind to draw at Wolves were not better than you expected beforehand? We've shown more spirit and more battle. Are we still too easy to score against? Yes. But Phillips was only every a temporary arrangement and certainly not one I'd have backed longer term. We still have looked a better team than we did before, but we still need to improve.

The big difference is that JP didn't drag us down here, hasnt mismanaged us for 18 months and didn't tell us in the summer that this was a fantastic young squad where anything short of promotion would be failure. The last guy did and said all of that. So JP and DF now, will get a lot more patience from me for that reason.

I think you're arguing about nothing, for no reason whatsoever. I would be shocked, but well......

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Sounds like some strange subs didnt help and we were doing ok.Match stats suggest we kept the ball ok but didnt have a cutting edge whereas they were more direct and created plenty chances.

The blink of an eye highlights I've seen... people are being a bit harsh on Bogdan.A medium paced effort parried at full stretch is going to be difficult to put safe. If anything he does seem to get down rather slowly though and of course having wakeful defenders anticipating dangers could have saved the situation. Second one looks like ball watching. The free header comes in the position Ream should be watching. All the striker had to do was take two steps back while our entire backline stood still staring at the winger.

You cant blame phillips for these failings. Freedman does have a job on his hands. He's taking on a team on an 18 month slide where there has been no plan and no organisation. He has a young keeper short on confidence with no real cover, a defence averaging minus 2 per game, a midfield with very little balance in that most of them cant do the defensive side and some (Pratley) cant do either and 4 strikers,one with no confidence 2 apparently who dont give a feck and one who is getting too old to perform to his best week in week out.

Coyle has left a complete horlix of a situation,complete chaos and disarray,no fitness no discipline no organisation.Eagles alone this season has kept us out of being a bottom 3 team and if he got injured that's where we would be so it's time people forgot the notion that we have an amazing squad,it's an imbalanced squad with a couple of above average players going forward at best, Phillips has applied a little bit of discipline and done ok with the poor hand he had to play with. Like coyle he still persited with Mavis central and of course when things went awry having started with his best offensive players already on he's turning to NGog and Pratley to save the day!

It's going to take quite some time for Freedman to sort this out and people are going to have to be patient.
There are serious questions about the quality of a number of personel who cost money but show no sign of the ability you'd expect and saying they just need organising kind of understates just how much work it will take to get some degree of organisation in place and on a one to one level the massive task of building confidence for so many individualls who are underperforming or simply have attitude problems.

It's going to take this season to develop some sense of a system and try to pick up those who are struggling and those who cant adapt or pick up will then have to be moved on and replaced.

We now face a season of transition(again) so I guess expectations may need adjusting inspite of the incredibly mediocre division we are in. The fact is we are at present a poor team even in this mediocre division.

Reading coyle's comments about leaving an incredible structure and promotion team in place make me want to hunt him down and give him a slap.

[bobo the clown]

Good post Ianmoore, apart from the word "wakeful".

Never use that again.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Good post Ianmoore, apart from the word "wakeful".

Never use that again.

Ha, we're a bunch of knobbers on here saying we have a great squad.What we have a couple of decent players(Eagles/Spearing) and a huge number who are underperforming who could easily end up moving on for frees in the next couple of years unless they pick up a better attitude and become part of a team structure.

Bogdan, Mears, Ream,Mills(though he has improved), Alonso,Knight(better this season but rarely looks that bothered)Pratley, Andrews(average but tries), NGog(tries but mental block infront of goal),Sordell, Afobe, Wylde(who?) are all either not very good or simply underperforming.
How can we kid ourselves we should be strolling to promotion when the bulk of the squad is considered crap or underperforming?



CYL still has a way to go,Petrov still only does half a job and is a stroppy fecker,Eagles may still disappear when he comes up against half decent defenders,Mavis disappears and can only do half a midfielders job.

Infact KD,Spearing and Ricketts are the only three you could really call proper reliable professionals IMO. What the feck was coyle doing.

[Peter Thompson]

Right, though the games got progressively harder.

Fact is Jimmy Phillips has done ok, he's got some improved performances out, but was only ever holding the fort to pass over.

Let's see what's happens over the next few months.

Really ? - 4 points out of 9 is some improvement !

No one could expect Phillips to do owt in 3 games, but IMO he's improved nothing out on the pitch (no diferent to Coyle in terms of tactics and shit pointless subs) - I'll give him credit though for closing down the Coyle holiday training camp, and getting the lazy cnuts to start working hard during the week, but there's a long way to go getting this lot fit enough to play 90 mins.

I suspect that we've got a few years in the championship ahead of us unless DF is some sort of Merlin like magician

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Right, though the games got progressively harder.

Fact is Jimmy Phillips has done ok, he's got some improved performances out, but was only ever holding the fort to pass over.

Let's see what's happens over the next few months.

Really ? - 4 points out of 9 is some improvement !

No one could expect Phillips to do owt in 3 games, but IMO he's improved nothing out on the pitch (no diferent to Coyle in terms of tactics and shit pointless subs) - I'll give him credit though for closing down the Coyle holiday training camp, and getting the lazy cnuts to start working hard during the week, but there's a long way to go getting this lot fit enough to play 90 mins.

I suspect that we've got a few years in the championship ahead of us unless DF is some sort of Merlin like magician

4 points from 9 is about par for our squad looking at the fixtures Phillips had. He did show some tactical flexibility at least even if he did still put out a midfield with no bite. There also seemed to be a bit more fight and spirit than there has been.
As such Phillips has done ok. He wasnt left with a great deal to work with and has had a very short time.Freedman wont turn it around in the click of a finger either.

[bobo the clown]

Good post Ianmoore, apart from the word "wakeful".

Never use that again.

Ha, we're a bunch of knobbers on here saying we have a great squad.What we have a couple of decent players(Eagles/Spearing) and a huge number who are underperforming who could easily end up moving on for frees in the next couple of years unless they pick up a better attitude and become part of a team structure.

Bogdan, Mears, Ream,Mills(though he has improved), Alonso,Knight(better this season but rarely looks that bothered)Pratley, Andrews(average but tries), NGog(tries but mental block infront of goal),Sordell, Afobe, Wylde(who?) are all either not very good or simply underperforming.
How can we kid ourselves we should be strolling to promotion when the bulk of the squad is considered crap or underperforming?



CYL still has a way to go,Petrov still only does half a job and is a stroppy fecker,Eagles may still disappear when he comes up against half decent defenders,Mavis disappears and can only do half a midfielders job.

Infact KD,Spearing and Ricketts are the only three you could really call proper reliable professionals IMO. What the feck was coyle doing.

none of which excuses use of the 'word' "wakeful".

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Good post Ianmoore, apart from the word "wakeful".

Never use that again.

Ha, we're a bunch of knobbers on here saying we have a great squad.What we have a couple of decent players(Eagles/Spearing) and a huge number who are underperforming who could easily end up moving on for frees in the next couple of years unless they pick up a better attitude and become part of a team structure.

Bogdan, Mears, Ream,Mills(though he has improved), Alonso,Knight(better this season but rarely looks that bothered)Pratley, Andrews(average but tries), NGog(tries but mental block infront of goal),Sordell, Afobe, Wylde(who?) are all either not very good or simply underperforming.
How can we kid ourselves we should be strolling to promotion when the bulk of the squad is considered crap or underperforming?



CYL still has a way to go,Petrov still only does half a job and is a stroppy fecker,Eagles may still disappear when he comes up against half decent defenders,Mavis disappears and can only do half a midfielders job.

Infact KD,Spearing and Ricketts are the only three you could really call proper reliable professionals IMO. What the feck was coyle doing.

none of which excuses use of the 'word' "wakeful".

You clowns and your little foibles, I expect you juggle with them in your spare time.

Wakeful ! what on earth was i thinking. I'll be wandering about in jesus sandals and socks next

[bobo the clown]

Good post Ianmoore, apart from the word "wakeful".

Never use that again.

Ha, we're a bunch of knobbers on here saying we have a great squad.What we have a couple of decent players(Eagles/Spearing) and a huge number who are underperforming who could easily end up moving on for frees in the next couple of years unless they pick up a better attitude and become part of a team structure.

Bogdan, Mears, Ream,Mills(though he has improved), Alonso,Knight(better this season but rarely looks that bothered)Pratley, Andrews(average but tries), NGog(tries but mental block infront of goal),Sordell, Afobe, Wylde(who?) are all either not very good or simply underperforming.
How can we kid ourselves we should be strolling to promotion when the bulk of the squad is considered crap or underperforming?



CYL still has a way to go,Petrov still only does half a job and is a stroppy fecker,Eagles may still disappear when he comes up against half decent defenders,Mavis disappears and can only do half a midfielders job.

Infact KD,Spearing and Ricketts are the only three you could really call proper reliable professionals IMO. What the feck was coyle doing.

none of which excuses use of the 'word' "wakeful".

[thebish]

none of which excuses use of the 'word' "wakeful".

Would that be "his bad" eh, Bobo?

[bobo the clown]

none of which excuses use of the 'word' "wakeful".

Would that be "his bad" eh, Bobo?

Indubitably

[Dr.Karl]

Jussi all is forgiven. Will they teach Bogdan not to continually parry it into the six yard box? Letting Al Habsi and Jussi go and keeping Boggers is looking an awful move atm.

It seems now that there is a clear choice of Mavies or Eagles behind the striker. I think Eagles loses his influence if he starts out wide and whenever he plays centrally he seems to boss the game. Mavies has to be dropped right? A fully fit Holden would ideal but we're in dreamland to think he'll hit the ground running like he played that spell. That leaves Andrews or Pratley to start alongside Spearing for now, it doesn't inspire me but at least we'd be more defensively sound.

4 points from those games is about average I would have thought, Wolves and Boro are probably two of the tougher away games in the division.

Phillips has at least shown he has some flexibility in his tactics. At home to Bristol City, he switched from a 4-4-2 to 4-5-1 at HT. At Wolves he started it(albeit with Afobe out wide) then rectified it by starting Lee wide right yesterday. Coyle wouldn't have dared make those changes or have the nous to switch to one striker up front after starting with two. There have been faults with personal in the system but there seems to be have been a dawning realisation that the shape Coyle usually played just didn't work. We're a team in a mid season transition and I'm a hell of a lot more optimistic than I was a few weeks ago.