Blackpool

[BWFC_Insane]

if Davo is so supremely good in the air - why does he hardly ever score headed goals?

He has scored quite a few headed goals, and good ones at that. The probable reason he hangs back on the edge of the box is that he gets man-handled to death when he's in it. His reputation goes against him and here's a shining example from that Barclay's Premiership place: Ball got crossed, Davo scored, Haggerland threw himself on the deck and the ref disallowed the goal and gave them a free kick. How ludicrous is that? Cop Knight being wrestled on the left. Pity the ref missed that bit.

Not having that. He's hardly a top cultured striker of the ball, so hanging back is not exactly what is game should be about. He's never been a prolific attacker of the box he's been here but he virtually never does it now, other than on set pieces.

I think BB is right, he's scared of doing any running cos he knows he'll be out of puff.

[plymouth wanderer]

Tango

I'm not knocking Davo he's given are club his all since he's been here and is a club legend

But his time is all but up i'm afraid (IMO).Getting the odd flick-on here and there is just not good enough

If you check back through my posts i'v backed N'gog since he's been here and as i said recently IMO he is our new Davo

I watched him in every game last season well every game he played in (albeit thru a stream) and i was impressed with his all round play and IMO is very good in the air and is the only striker we have that can play in a 451

He's quick, got a decent touch,good in the air, got a few tricks in the bag and also works his socks off

I think under Dougie he will thrive

[TANGODANCER]

Tango

I'm not knocking Davo he's given are club his all since he's been here and is a club legend

But his time is all but up i'm afraid (IMO).Getting the odd flick-on here and there is just not good enough
If you check back through my posts i'v backed N'gog since he's been here and as i said recently IMO he is our new Davo

I watched him in every game last season well every game he played in (albeit thru a stream) and i was impressed with his all round play and IMO is very good in the air and is the only striker we have that can play in a 451

He's quick, got a decent touch,good in the air, got a few tricks in the bag and also works his socks off

I think under Dougie he will thrive

If you really think that's all he does, fair do's.

[thebish]

if Davo is so supremely good in the air - why does he hardly ever score headed goals?

He has scored quite a few headed goals, and good ones at that. The probable reason he hangs back on the edge of the box is that he gets man-handled to death when he's in it. His reputation goes against him and here's a shining example from that Barclay's Premiership place: Ball got crossed, Davo scored, Haggerland threw himself on the deck and the ref disallowed the goal and gave them a free kick.

so - you're saying that Davo keeps out of it and doesn't go in the box for a corner or FK because he is worried he might get fouled and we wouldn't be awarded the penalty if he was??

that sounds a bit bonkers to me...

[boltonboris]

Tango

I'm not knocking Davo he's given are club his all since he's been here and is a club legend

But his time is all but up i'm afraid (IMO).Getting the odd flick-on here and there is just not good enough
If you check back through my posts i'v backed N'gog since he's been here and as i said recently IMO he is our new Davo

I watched him in every game last season well every game he played in (albeit thru a stream) and i was impressed with his all round play and IMO is very good in the air and is the only striker we have that can play in a 451

He's quick, got a decent touch,good in the air, got a few tricks in the bag and also works his socks off

I think under Dougie he will thrive

If you really think that's all he does, fair do's.

More often than not, now... That is all he does. And sometimes, he doesn't even do that.

[TANGODANCER]

if Davo is so supremely good in the air - why does he hardly ever score headed goals?

He has scored quite a few headed goals, and good ones at that. The probable reason he hangs back on the edge of the box is that he gets man-handled to death when he's in it. His reputation goes against him and here's a shining example from that Barclay's Premiership place: Ball got crossed, Davo scored, Haggerland threw himself on the deck and the ref disallowed the goal and gave them a free kick.

so - you're saying that Davo keeps out of it and doesn't go in the box for a corner or FK because he is worried he might get fouled and we wouldn't be awarded the penalty if he was??
that sounds a bit bonkers to me...

Now where on earth did I say that or anything like it? What a load of twaddle. Cor, you do twist words. I simply meant he has a better chance of going in on the ball if he isn't stuck between two defenders three feet from the goals. What's bonkers about that?

[Wandering Willy]

Davo is brilliant at bringing other people into play from long straight balls played forward

I'd like you to print this sentence out and take it with you next time you watch him play and let us know if you still think you are right.

[thebish]

if Davo is so supremely good in the air - why does he hardly ever score headed goals?

He has scored quite a few headed goals, and good ones at that. The probable reason he hangs back on the edge of the box is that he gets man-handled to death when he's in it. His reputation goes against him and here's a shining example from that Barclay's Premiership place: Ball got crossed, Davo scored, Haggerland threw himself on the deck and the ref disallowed the goal and gave them a free kick.

so - you're saying that Davo keeps out of it and doesn't go in the box for a corner or FK because he is worried he might get fouled and we wouldn't be awarded the penalty if he was??
that sounds a bit bonkers to me...

Now where on earth did I say that or anything like it? What a load of twaddle. Cor, you do twist words. I simply meant he has a better chance of going in on the ball if he isn't stuck between two defenders three feet from the goals. What's bonkers about that?

cos if he is THAT good with his head - and wins everything in the air - then I'd want him on the end of corners coming into the box - close to goal - not out on the edge of the box - or on the end of some of those awesome Petrov crosses that so often go to waste...

but he very rarely is...

[boltonboris]

Good Blackpool defend high up the pitch so they can try to dominate the midfield and dictate the game.. N'gog will pin them back a hell of a lot more than Davo will.

Was that Holloway's Blackpool? How do you like them, Appleton?

"Myself and 'Ollie' are two completely different personalities, but I'd like to think we've got the same philosophies about styles of football"

Michael Appleton to BBC...

[boltonboris]

Interesting(ish) note...

Kevin Davies has made 599 career appearances. Would his 600th, not be more suitable to be played out on front of his home crowd?

[SmokinFrazier]

For me, the issue with Davies isn't him and his ability, it's how he adapts to the system. He's still our best striker and is getting sold short by some people on here, but he can't play as a lone striker. That position requires more than being able to win balls and constantly pressure defenders, you need to be able to run past players and get yourself into a good position when the ball is played into your feet. You need to be able to be there for through balls and things like that. Davies' lack of pace hinders him greatly. If we were playing a 4-4-2, he'd be the first name on the teamsheet but is he a lone striker? I don't think so.

If we're playing 4-5-1, I want someone with a bit more creativity, pace and skill. If we're playing 4-4-2, I'd go with Davies and either N'Gog or Sordell, and let them feed off what Davies can provide them. Whilst Davies is still one of our best players, you still have to play around his weaknesses. He isn't able to lead the line as a lone striker like we need him to do.

[Prufrock]

Davo is brilliant at bringing other people into play from long straight balls played forward

I'd like you to print this sentence out and take it with you next time you watch him play and let us know if you still think you are right.

Print it off? Print it off?

*Bring bring* "Hello?"
"Hi, it's the 1930's can we have our words and clothes and shitty technology back? Also, watch out for that Adolf Hitler, he's a bad egg."

Also, I already dealt with you sunshine

Davo clearly still has a role to play, those writing him off either haven't seen us play much this year, or are that blinded they wont see it. I'd still rather start Wash.

We get it, btw, you don't rate him.

[Prufrock]

For me, the issue with Davies isn't him and his ability, it's how he adapts to the system. He's still our best striker and is getting sold short by some people on here, but he can't play as a lone striker. That position requires more than being able to win balls and constantly pressure defenders, you need to be able to run past players and get yourself into a good position when the ball is played into your feet. You need to be able to be there for through balls and things like that. Davies' lack of pace hinders him greatly. If we were playing a 4-4-2, he'd be the first name on the teamsheet but is he a lone striker? I don't think so.

If we're playing 4-5-1, I want someone with a bit more creativity, pace and skill. If we're playing 4-4-2, I'd go with Davies and either N'Gog or Sordell, and let them feed off what Davies can provide them. Whilst Davies is still one of our best players, you still have to play around his weaknesses. He isn't able to lead the line as a lone striker like we need him to do.

His best years here were as a lone striker. I've never been convinced he can play up front in a two, mainly because he starts flicking things on backwards 'for a quick striker to run onto', an approach that has yielded roughly six goals in all of football since about 1962, all of which being due to defensive cock-ups. He was never particularly quick, you don't need to be, he did get about a lot though, which he doesn't anymore. I don't think he can't anymore, he just can't for 90mins.

[Wandering Willy]

Davo is brilliant at bringing other people into play from long straight balls played forward

I'd like you to print this sentence out and take it with you next time you watch him play and let us know if you still think you are right.

Print it off? Print it off?

*Bring bring* "Hello?"
"Hi, it's the 1930's can we have our words and clothes and shitty technology back? Also, watch out for that Adolf Hitler, he's a bad egg."

Also, I already dealt with you sunshine

Davo clearly still has a role to play, those writing him off either haven't seen us play much this year, or are that blinded they wont see it. I'd still rather start Wash.

We get it, btw, you don't rate him.

When you say you've dealt with me are you suggesting I haven't seen him play much this year?

I'll point out to you that you have rarely seen a Bolton team without KD in it so you know no better.

I admire your loyalty, but it clouds your judgement I fear.

Bring bring that up your twitter.

[Prufrock]

I'm saying you either haven't seen him that much this year, or your judgement is clouded.

As for rarely seeing a Bolton side without KD in, I saw plenty of Bolton teams with KD in in his prime. If you didn't rate him then, then I fear for your judgement. I don't think he is close to the same player, and hasn't been for years, but that KD was leading the line of a top 6 team, this one only needs to be good enough for the Championship, which he has shown comfortably to be.

I do have five years worth of pre-KD season ticket experience, but Dean Holdsworth might not be the best yardstick

Gudjohnson and Ricketts weren't bad though...

[TANGODANCER]

For me, the issue with Davies isn't him and his ability, it's how he adapts to the system. He's still our best striker and is getting sold short by some people on here, but he can't play as a lone striker. That position requires more than being able to win balls and constantly pressure defenders, you need to be able to run past players and get yourself into a good position when the ball is played into your feet. You need to be able to be there for through balls and things like that. Davies' lack of pace hinders him greatly. If we were playing a 4-4-2, he'd be the first name on the teamsheet but is he a lone striker? I don't think so.

If we're playing 4-5-1, I want someone with a bit more creativity, pace and skill. If we're playing 4-4-2, I'd go with Davies and either N'Gog or Sordell, and let them feed off what Davies can provide them. Whilst Davies is still one of our best players, you still have to play around his weaknesses. He isn't able to lead the line as a lone striker like we need him to do.

Ah, but the argument against that ( from those who know football) is that we just got rid of a manager who played 4-4-2, instead of 4-5-1, where somebody like Eagles or Mark Davies plays in the hole behind the striker. N'gog can't play with K.D, so it's either one of them but not both. That way we have a midfield 5 instead of four. If we develop a stronger midfield, then fair enough, and 4-4-2 becomes an option. There is also the fact that a professional manager "should" know better than any of us anyway, so what will be will be, despite what we think....

[Wandering Willy]

I'm saying you either haven't seen him that much this year, or your judgement is clouded.

As for rarely seeing a Bolton side without KD in, I saw plenty of Bolton teams with KD in in his prime. If you didn't rate him then, then I fear for your judgement. I don't think he is close to the same player, and hasn't been for years, but that KD was leading the line of a top 6 team, this one only needs to be good enough for the Championship, which he has shown comfortably to be.

I do have five years worth of pre-KD season ticket experience, but Dean Holdsworth might not be the best yardstick

Gudjohnson and Ricketts weren't bad though...

I haven't said I didn't rate him the past but feel free to point out where I did.

Bottom line is - do you stand by the statement:

"Davo is brilliant at bringing other people into play from long straight balls played forward"?

Not in the past or a while ago, but now, today. It's utter nonsense. FWIW I wish it wasn't but it is.

If you think it's just me have a read of the Leicester thread.

"You can't get tired by standing still. He was dreadful... As bad as I've seen a forward play in years. "

Just one of the quotes - not mine.

You can't keep your head in the sand forever, you'll have to come up for air eventually.

[TANGODANCER]

I haven't said I didn't rate him the past but feel free to point out where I did..

You've done about five-years not rating him this season alone.

[Wandering Willy]

That's a lie it's only 3.

[Prufrock]

I'm saying you either haven't seen him that much this year, or your judgement is clouded.

As for rarely seeing a Bolton side without KD in, I saw plenty of Bolton teams with KD in in his prime. If you didn't rate him then, then I fear for your judgement. I don't think he is close to the same player, and hasn't been for years, but that KD was leading the line of a top 6 team, this one only needs to be good enough for the Championship, which he has shown comfortably to be.

I do have five years worth of pre-KD season ticket experience, but Dean Holdsworth might not be the best yardstick

Gudjohnson and Ricketts weren't bad though...

I haven't said I didn't rate him the past but feel free to point out where I did.

Bottom line is - do you stand by the statement:

"Davo is brilliant at bringing other people into play from long straight balls played forward"?

Not in the past or a while ago, but now, today. It's utter nonsense. FWIW I wish it wasn't but it is.

If you think it's just me have a read of the Leicester thread.

"You can't get tired by standing still. He was dreadful... As bad as I've seen a forward play in years. "

Just one of the quotes - not mine.

You can't keep your head in the sand forever, you'll have to come up for air eventually.

I didn't say you did. That's what the word 'if' is for. What you wrote could be interpreted that way.

And yes, I do stand by the statement. It is all relative of course, I don't think Davo would be brilliant at it if we were still playing in the Prem, but he has been the best of our four strikers, bar one 20 minute cameo, by so far as to be untrue this season. Do I think he had a good game against Leicester? No. Which of our strikers do you think has performed better than Davo over this season as a whole?