The Tykes Thread

[Ianmooreslovechild]

I think the biggest issue we face at present is out mind set as a club.

People keep saying that we should be hammering teams like Barnsley. Absolute twaddle.

This league is a hard tough slog, you don't turn up and beat anyone.

Sooner our players, staff and fans accept this, the sooner we'll get out of our predicament.

I imagine the club knows this.It's us fans who sometimes have false expectations. Barnsley away have been losing 0 1, they were never going to be hopeless, they're a decent striker away from being a top half club.Sooner or later they were going to pick up a point away.

We should and could have won but these players still struggle to take chances and always have it in them to give a chance. That is what coyle put together. Freedman has made them look fitter and more organised but the essential flaws are still there.Organisation and fitness dont make players who cant finish suddenly become finishers.There is only so much Freedman can do with what he has inherited.

[BL3]

I think the biggest issue we face at present is out mind set as a club.

People keep saying that we should be hammering teams like Barnsley. Absolute twaddle.

This league is a hard tough slog, you don't turn up and beat anyone.

Sooner our players, staff and fans accept this, the sooner we'll get out of our predicament.

They wouldn't accept it when Coyle was in charge but funnily enough they seem prepared to accept it now. I doubt a 1-1 draw at home to a team that had lost their previous 4 games would have been seen as 'progress' under the previous manager.

[the-Bowtun-Warrior]

Not good enought, that, in my opinion. I'm sorry but it just isn't.

No urgency. No ambition to win the game. No gile or creativity. Poor.

[bobo the clown]

If we have ambition to get to the top 6 by season end we need a certain number of points. Games at home to Barnsley are aomgst the games you'd expect to be ticking off 3 of what we require ... especially as we were so slow to start the season.

This result, whatever the reason, the background, is not good enough.

I still blame Coyle for leaving us in far worse shape than we realised ... or maybe in as bad a shape as we feared and worse than we hoped.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

I think the biggest issue we face at present is out mind set as a club.

People keep saying that we should be hammering teams like Barnsley. Absolute twaddle.

This league is a hard tough slog, you don't turn up and beat anyone.

Sooner our players, staff and fans accept this, the sooner we'll get out of our predicament.

They wouldn't accept it when Coyle was in charge but funnily enough they seem prepared to accept it now. I doubt a 1-1 draw at home to a team that had lost their previous 4 games would have been seen as 'progress' under the previous manager.

Maybe just maybe it wasnt acceptable under the previous manager because he had put that team together and they looked clueless and unfit whereas now it is acceptable because the new man has had 4 games to work with the crap that was left for him and at least seems to be applying some organisation and discipline on the shambles left by coyle.

Course BL3 it could be just about sexual chemistry or the innate hatred coyle attracted.

You're right though. I cant believe it is taking freedman so long to sort out this squad. It's a premiership squad assembled by a premiership manager of the highest quality. Freedman just doesnt seem up to it. Knew it all along.

[Harry Genshaw]

They wouldn't accept it when Coyle was in charge but funnily enough they seem prepared to accept it now. I doubt a 1-1 draw at home to a team that had lost their previous 4 games would have been seen as 'progress' under the previous manager.

The very fact we're playing Barnsley is because we were relegated. Who was in charge for that?
We were in a lower division and in the bottom 5 by the end of September. Who was in charge then?

You're damned right a 1-1 draw under him wouldn't have been seen as progress, unless you're talking about the downward progress Coyle had us on.

Freedman may prove to be no better than Coyle but at the moment I'm prepared to give him the benfit of the doubt. I gave it Coyle for well over 18 months, so I think it's fair Dougie gets a while yet to see if he can sort out Coyles mess.

[Bijou Bob]

First half we played some great football but our finishing was woeful. New boy is nowhere near match fit and shouldn't have started for me.

Second half we just couldn't keep possession and if we're being fair about it, but for Boggers making a great reaction save, we could well have gone down 2-1 to a team who were very poor in long patches. I can't find fault with Freedman when in the first half alone, we managed to fail to convert almost a dozen chances. Second half we should have scored three but squandered the opportunities.

Shooting practice this week.

[BL3]

They wouldn't accept it when Coyle was in charge but funnily enough they seem prepared to accept it now. I doubt a 1-1 draw at home to a team that had lost their previous 4 games would have been seen as 'progress' under the previous manager.

The very fact we're playing Barnsley is because we were relegated. Who was in charge for that?
We were in a lower division and in the bottom 5 by the end of September. Who was in charge then?

You're damned right a 1-1 draw under him wouldn't have been seen as progress, unless you're talking about the downward progress Coyle had us on.

Freedman may prove to be no better than Coyle but at the moment I'm prepared to give him the benfit of the doubt. I gave it Coyle for well over 18 months, so I think it's fair Dougie gets a while yet to see if he can sort out Coyles mess.

Coyle didn't pick the team today or decide what tactics we should employ. If three points from the last three games wouldn't have been acceptable under the previous regime, then it's not acceptable now. There's no point in changing the manager if the results don't change.

[officer_dibble]

First half we were dicked on! we are literally a one man team with eagles.

GP - steele was very welll positioned...made the saves look easy. Id swap with our keeper!

[midlands exile]

They wouldn't accept it when Coyle was in charge but funnily enough they seem prepared to accept it now. I doubt a 1-1 draw at home to a team that had lost their previous 4 games would have been seen as 'progress' under the previous manager.

The very fact we're playing Barnsley is because we were relegated. Who was in charge for that?
We were in a lower division and in the bottom 5 by the end of September. Who was in charge then?

You're damned right a 1-1 draw under him wouldn't have been seen as progress, unless you're talking about the downward progress Coyle had us on.

Freedman may prove to be no better than Coyle but at the moment I'm prepared to give him the benfit of the doubt. I gave it Coyle for well over 18 months, so I think it's fair Dougie gets a while yet to see if he can sort out Coyles mess.

Coyle didn't pick the team today or decide what tactics we should employ. If three points from the last three games wouldn't have been acceptable under the previous regime, then it's not acceptable now. There's no point in changing the manager if the results don't change.

*must resist the temptation to feed the troll*

[BWFC_Insane]

BL3 in making a complete cock out of himself shocker.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

They wouldn't accept it when Coyle was in charge but funnily enough they seem prepared to accept it now. I doubt a 1-1 draw at home to a team that had lost their previous 4 games would have been seen as 'progress' under the previous manager.

The very fact we're playing Barnsley is because we were relegated. Who was in charge for that?
We were in a lower division and in the bottom 5 by the end of September. Who was in charge then?

You're damned right a 1-1 draw under him wouldn't have been seen as progress, unless you're talking about the downward progress Coyle had us on.

Freedman may prove to be no better than Coyle but at the moment I'm prepared to give him the benfit of the doubt. I gave it Coyle for well over 18 months, so I think it's fair Dougie gets a while yet to see if he can sort out Coyles mess.

Coyle didn't pick the team today or decide what tactics we should employ. If three points from the last three games wouldn't have been acceptable under the previous regime, then it's not acceptable now. There's no point in changing the manager if the results don't change.

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[thebish]

ok - those who went...

there are two quite different opinions by people who sound like they went and watched the game..

1. we were dicked-on and rubbish and looked like a 1-man Eagles team

2. there are signs of organisation and cause for optimism

I didn't go and only heard the radio - so i have no idea... can they both be right??

[Harry Genshaw]

ok - those who went...

there are two quite different opinions by people who sound like they went and watched the game..

1. we were dicked-on and rubbish and looked like a 1-man Eagles team

2. there are signs of organisation and cause for optimism

I didn't go and only heard the radio - so i have no idea... can they both be right??

Those under 12 who went and think we should be winning every game 5-0 will go for option 1.

The realists amongst us will go for option 2.

[thebish]

Poor result.

We are set up well, organised and look far fitter.

Not much more Freedman can do.

The issue is we didn't take our chances and key players like Mark Davies and Eagles IMO were very wasteful.

Kevin Davies scored, but was just doesn't offer enough movement.

if you think there wasn't much more freedman could have done - then presumably you think playing KD up front with Ngog out wide was his best option?

from t'radio it DID sound we had a fair few chances but that we rarely made the goalie move... that can happen - was it just one of those days - or is it summat more serious?

[BWFC_Insane]

ok - those who went...

there are two quite different opinions by people who sound like they went and watched the game..

1. we were dicked-on and rubbish and looked like a 1-man Eagles team

2. there are signs of organisation and cause for optimism

I didn't go and only heard the radio - so i have no idea... can they both be right??

Probably somewhere in the middle. We were organised and playing in a way that stops us being wide open. We had spells when we played well and others where we were lacklustre, especially the first 25 minutes of the second half.

Some encouraging signs, but also some worrying ones. We don't look like scoring many goals, and still seem like a team will have one decent shot against us and it will fly in.

If you're looking longer term then Dougie seems like he broadly knows what he's doing and at least there is a plan.

If you look shorter term however, it's looking hard to see us winning enough to get up there.

You probably knew all that anyway, so not much help......

[Annoyed Grunt]

ok - those who went...

there are two quite different opinions by people who sound like they went and watched the game..

1. we were dicked-on and rubbish and looked like a 1-man Eagles team

2. there are signs of organisation and cause for optimism

I didn't go and only heard the radio - so i have no idea... can they both be right??

I went.

My opinion....decent first half, second half was shite.

Should've been 3 points, I thought Barnsley were awful....

[thebish]

ok - those who went...

there are two quite different opinions by people who sound like they went and watched the game..

1. we were dicked-on and rubbish and looked like a 1-man Eagles team

2. there are signs of organisation and cause for optimism

I didn't go and only heard the radio - so i have no idea... can they both be right??

Those under 12 who went and think we should be winning every game 5-0 will go for option 1.

The realists amongst us will go for option 2.

good - what are those signs of better organisation? (genuine question cos I was not there and didn't see it..)

[bobo the clown]

ok - those who went...

there are two quite different opinions by people who sound like they went and watched the game..

1. we were dicked-on and rubbish and looked like a 1-man Eagles team

2. there are signs of organisation and cause for optimism

I didn't go and only heard the radio - so i have no idea... can they both be right??

We were comfortable for the first half against a pretty poor team.
When we took an exhausted Butterfield off and 'replaced' him with Julie Andrews we were on borrowed time.

Played N'Gog on the wing, so effectively played with 10 men.

Had the chances to have been 3 up by the time we let them come into it. Once they did we were probably fortunate to keep the point we did.

It is an improvement on Cptn. Chaos' period this season, but not enough.

[thebish]

ok - those who went...

there are two quite different opinions by people who sound like they went and watched the game..

1. we were dicked-on and rubbish and looked like a 1-man Eagles team

2. there are signs of organisation and cause for optimism

I didn't go and only heard the radio - so i have no idea... can they both be right??

Probably somewhere in the middle. We were organised and playing in a way that stops us being wide open. We had spells when we played well and others where we were lacklustre, especially the first 25 minutes of the second half.

Some encouraging signs, but also some worrying ones. We don't look like scoring many goals, and still seem like a team will have one decent shot against us and it will fly in.

If you're looking longer term then Dougie seems like he broadly knows what he's doing and at least there is a plan.

If you look shorter term however, it's looking hard to see us winning enough to get up there.

You probably knew all that anyway, so not much help......

aye - but it is interesting to hear for those of us that didn't go. thanks!