Today I'm angry about.....

[clapton is god]

Its not Christmas until I hear Noddy Holder!

[bwfcdan94]

just remembered world is meant to end according Myans before christmas that could have its benefits (and it s drawbacks). would be a bit strange but it is obviously incorrect

[thebish]

on the Christmas side of things I used to love Christmas but i hated last christmas and will hate future christmases.

Don't believe them mate - he's real ok, I've seen him.

Well i stuck the Christmas CD's in the car today so it must be that time of year. Will resolve to take them out earlier then next May this year.

hmmm... remind me not to accept a lift any time soon!!!

[Montreal Wanderer]

In our gaff, the Chrimbo tree used to go up on Christmas Eve and come down on the Epiphany.

Same in our house, nor could it have been much longer. We had a real tree which got pretty dry in 12 days and we used real candles. We couldn't light the candles much after Boxing Day without creating a serious fire hazard. After a couple of weeks it would begin shedding worse than the cat - so 12 days was about right.

[thebish]

today I am mostly grumpy about the irritating wankathon that calls itself the Sports Personality of the Year... enough already.....

[malcd1]

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This makes me fecking furious.

Manchester baby boy 'bled to death after circumcision'

A four-week-old boy "bled to death" after a home circumcision carried out by a nurse, a court has heard.

Goodluck Caubergs died the day after nurse Grace Adeleye carried out the procedure without anaesthetic, Manchester Crown Court was told.

The jury heard the 66-year-old only used scissors, forceps and olive oil at an address in Chadderton, Greater Manchester in April 2010.

Mrs Adeleye denies manslaughter by gross negligence.

The court heard the medic and Goodluck's parents are originally from Nigeria, where the circumcision of newborns is the tradition for Christian families.
'Dangers ignored'

Mrs Adeleye, of Sarnia Court, Salford, was paid £100 to do the operation as Goodluck's parents did not know the procedure was available on the NHS.

It is alleged the defendant, who is also a midwife, left a "ragged" wound that bled and her post-operative care was inadequate.

The family home, where the procedure took place, is a mile and a half from Royal Oldham Hospital.

Adrian Darbishire QC, opening the case for the prosecution, told the jury: "The allegation essentially here is that the care she provided in the course of that procedure was so bad that not only did it cause the death of that young baby wholly unnecessarily, but it amounted to gross negligence and a crime."

The court heard that up to three children a month are admitted to the Royal Manchester Children's Hospital because of bleeding after home-based circumcisions - a danger the nurse should have been aware of.

Mrs Adeleye went to Goodluck's home on 16 April 2010, telling his mother to fetch some olive oil and a bowl of warm water and stripping the baby to his vest, the jury was told.
'No pain relief'

The defendant brought her "instruments" out of her handbag and dipped a pair of scissors into the water in a kidney dish.

She carried out the procedure with no anaesthetic or local pain relief before cleaning the wound with cotton wool and applied a bandage, the court heard.

Between 30 and 40 minutes after surgery, Mrs Adeleye left without making any proper checks on the patient, Mr Darbishire said.

Later, the parents found the bandage had come off the wound, which dripped with blood and there was blood in Goodluck's nappy.

Mr Darbishire said even a small amount of blood loss is dangerous and the loss of just one sixth of a pint of blood can be fatal for a newborn.

A post-mortem examination revealed Goodluck's death was caused by a loss of blood.

The trial continues.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Feel your pain Dan, my little nephew would have turned one last week. A year ago this week when he was just a week old he went into hospital and never came out, he was there all through December and died 3rd January. Its painful remembering the loss of loved ones at Christmas and you're so young to have lost your mum. Hope you have plenty of family and friends around to give you the support you need.

sorry to here about that, its not good when anyone dies but especially not a child, I will be brutally honest with you my only family that i ever see is me dad (who has generally made me feel like everything that has gone wrong in our lives since mum died is my fault) and my sister (is a lazy stuck up tw*t who dosent lift a finger to help me with all the housework that i have to do). as for freinds i do not have any one i ould rely on if i had any problems I hve colleages that i may talk to football about to pass time but they do not help me when i need help and i do not have nowt to do with them out of school, it iquite difficult to make freinds as a bolton fan at my school i generally get told bolton are shit everyday by 100s of people quite a few of whom i do not even know, in fact that is what is the general thing that is said when i open my mouth. what i have learnt is that when mum died all the neighbours said if you need anything jusrt ask but they are never there for you when you do ask (which i occasionally do) I have very few people who feel sorry for me as they all just forget after about a month, but f**k it i guess that is better then constantly having people asking you are you "how are you coping". i still have to explain to people now about what happend to my mum when those who i do not really know bring it up.

Dan, it is probably none of my business but you have mentioned that Guy Fawkes Day makes you unhappy because your mother died on that day. Now you don't enjoy Christmas since your mother's death. I wonder if she would want you to feel this way. I expect she would want you to start enjoying life as much as you can. Your family life sounds somewhat dysfunctional and maybe you should consider some form of counseling (either as a family or go on your own - it can't do any harm and could be helpful). I guess I am saying that if your family, colleagues and schoolmates are not supportive, there are social services that can be. There is nothing wrong in using them (I saw a counselor when my ex-wife traded me in for a newer model and it helped to talk the issue over). I think you should ask yourself whether your have difficulty making friends at school because you support Bolton or is there another reason? Finally, you should probably not be looking for people who feel sorry for you but rather those who can help you make positive changes and eventually become the kind of person whom people admire. Over here I don't know 100 people who know anything about football, but those who do always laugh at me for supporting Bolton. I just laugh back because in the final analysis for the last two years we have not really set the footie world on fire. So what?

[Gooner Girl]

on the Christmas side of things I used to love Christmas but i hated last christmas and will hate future christmases.

Don't believe them mate - he's real ok, I've seen him.

Well i stuck the Christmas CD's in the car today so it must be that time of year. Will resolve to take them out earlier then next May this year.

hmmm... remind me not to accept a lift any time soon!!!

Awww go on! I'll drive you anywhere you want and I promise I won't sing! (much )

[plymouth wanderer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-20503660

This makes me fecking furious.

Manchester baby boy 'bled to death after circumcision'

A four-week-old boy "bled to death" after a home circumcision carried out by a nurse, a court has heard.

Goodluck Caubergs died the day after nurse Grace Adeleye carried out the procedure without anaesthetic, Manchester Crown Court was told.

The jury heard the 66-year-old only used scissors, forceps and olive oil at an address in Chadderton, Greater Manchester in April 2010.

Mrs Adeleye denies manslaughter by gross negligence.

The court heard the medic and Goodluck's parents are originally from Nigeria, where the circumcision of newborns is the tradition for Christian families.
'Dangers ignored'

Mrs Adeleye, of Sarnia Court, Salford, was paid £100 to do the operation as Goodluck's parents did not know the procedure was available on the NHS.

It is alleged the defendant, who is also a midwife, left a "ragged" wound that bled and her post-operative care was inadequate.

The family home, where the procedure took place, is a mile and a half from Royal Oldham Hospital.

Adrian Darbishire QC, opening the case for the prosecution, told the jury: "The allegation essentially here is that the care she provided in the course of that procedure was so bad that not only did it cause the death of that young baby wholly unnecessarily, but it amounted to gross negligence and a crime."

The court heard that up to three children a month are admitted to the Royal Manchester Children's Hospital because of bleeding after home-based circumcisions - a danger the nurse should have been aware of.

Mrs Adeleye went to Goodluck's home on 16 April 2010, telling his mother to fetch some olive oil and a bowl of warm water and stripping the baby to his vest, the jury was told.
'No pain relief'

The defendant brought her "instruments" out of her handbag and dipped a pair of scissors into the water in a kidney dish.

She carried out the procedure with no anaesthetic or local pain relief before cleaning the wound with cotton wool and applied a bandage, the court heard.

Between 30 and 40 minutes after surgery, Mrs Adeleye left without making any proper checks on the patient, Mr Darbishire said.

Later, the parents found the bandage had come off the wound, which dripped with blood and there was blood in Goodluck's nappy.

Mr Darbishire said even a small amount of blood loss is dangerous and the loss of just one sixth of a pint of blood can be fatal for a newborn.

A post-mortem examination revealed Goodluck's death was caused by a loss of blood.

The trial continues.

That is awful

[plymouth wanderer]

good stuff. no it is because my mum died a year ago this month so that has made me hate christmas becuase lets be honest the most important thing is family when it comes to Christmas

Feel your pain Dan, my little nephew would have turned one last week. A year ago this week when he was just a week old he went into hospital and never came out, he was there all through December and died 3rd January. Its painful remembering the loss of loved ones at Christmas and you're so young to have lost your mum. Hope you have plenty of family and friends around to give you the support you need.

Horrible when anyone dies but as Dan says even more so when it's a child

I lost my daughter 3 years ago (on the 22nd of december) due to spinal bifida and it's the hardest thing i'v ever gone through

But you know time is a great healer

My thoughts go out to you both

[Lost Leopard Spot]

... myself. My stupid, interfering self.

Got up this morning slightly late. Car windows steamed up as engine was turned on as usual, but unlike as usual I didn't sit and wait for a minute until steaminess was blasted away by the blowers. Oh no I had to wipe the condensation to gain those extra few seconds.
I've now got irredeemably smeared windows. I've had the car five years from new and not once has the shit that settles on the inside of the windows been disturbed; now, said shit is all over the place in smeary little patterns. The more I try and clear the smears, the greater the chaos unleashed.

[Gary the Enfield]

good stuff. no it is because my mum died a year ago this month so that has made me hate christmas becuase lets be honest the most important thing is family when it comes to Christmas

Feel your pain Dan, my little nephew would have turned one last week. A year ago this week when he was just a week old he went into hospital and never came out, he was there all through December and died 3rd January. Its painful remembering the loss of loved ones at Christmas and you're so young to have lost your mum. Hope you have plenty of family and friends around to give you the support you need.

Horrible when anyone dies but as Dan says even more so when it's a child

I lost my daughter 3 years ago (on the 22nd of december) due to spinal bifida and it's the hardest thing i'v ever gone through

But you know time is a great healer

My thoughts go out to you both

That's awful PW. This time of year must be terribly hard. My son died from a congenital heart defect 2 days before his 3rd birthday. He would have been 16 this year. Time does heal but the loss is no less.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

... myself. My stupid, interfering self.

Got up this morning slightly late. Car windows steamed up as engine was turned on as usual, but unlike as usual I didn't sit and wait for a minute until steaminess was blasted away by the blowers. Oh no I had to wipe the condensation to gain those extra few seconds.
I've now got irredeemably smeared windows. I've had the car five years from new and not once has the shit that settles on the inside of the windows been disturbed; now, said shit is all over the place in smeary little patterns. The more I try and clear the smears, the greater the chaos unleashed.

Pay someone to clean it

[Lost Leopard Spot]

... myself. My stupid, interfering self.

Got up this morning slightly late. Car windows steamed up as engine was turned on as usual, but unlike as usual I didn't sit and wait for a minute until steaminess was blasted away by the blowers. Oh no I had to wipe the condensation to gain those extra few seconds.
I've now got irredeemably smeared windows. I've had the car five years from new and not once has the shit that settles on the inside of the windows been disturbed; now, said shit is all over the place in smeary little patterns. The more I try and clear the smears, the greater the chaos unleashed.

Pay someone to clean it

You are full of wisdom this morning grasshopper.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

... myself. My stupid, interfering self.

Got up this morning slightly late. Car windows steamed up as engine was turned on as usual, but unlike as usual I didn't sit and wait for a minute until steaminess was blasted away by the blowers. Oh no I had to wipe the condensation to gain those extra few seconds.
I've now got irredeemably smeared windows. I've had the car five years from new and not once has the shit that settles on the inside of the windows been disturbed; now, said shit is all over the place in smeary little patterns. The more I try and clear the smears, the greater the chaos unleashed.

Pay someone to clean it

You are full of wisdom this morning grasshopper.

I'll be back to my normal grumpy irrational self any moment

[Burnden Paddock]

on the Christmas side of things I used to love Christmas but i hated last christmas and will hate future christmases.

Don't believe them mate - he's real ok, I've seen him.

Well i stuck the Christmas CD's in the car today so it must be that time of year. Will resolve to take them out earlier then next May this year.

Mrs BP is already badgering me to put the Christmas songs onto my ipod. I've told her that she has to wait until the 1st which imo is waaaayyyyyy too soon anyway. It's not worth listening to her moan any longer though. Will be sick to death of them in no time.

[BWFC_Insane]

Christmas starts no earlier than 5pm on 24th December and finishes absolutely at midnight on the 26th.

Bah humbug.....

[boltonboris]

I like Christmas. I enjoy binge drinking, eating loads and watching shitloads of films.

It's great. It's exactly what Jesus would have wanted us to do on his birthday.

[Gooner Girl]

good stuff. no it is because my mum died a year ago this month so that has made me hate christmas becuase lets be honest the most important thing is family when it comes to Christmas

Feel your pain Dan, my little nephew would have turned one last week. A year ago this week when he was just a week old he went into hospital and never came out, he was there all through December and died 3rd January. Its painful remembering the loss of loved ones at Christmas and you're so young to have lost your mum. Hope you have plenty of family and friends around to give you the support you need.

Horrible when anyone dies but as Dan says even more so when it's a child

I lost my daughter 3 years ago (on the 22nd of december) due to spinal bifida and it's the hardest thing i'v ever gone through

But you know time is a great healer

My thoughts go out to you both

Thats so sad PW, at Christmas as well For me, i am gutted that i never got to know and bond with my nephew, will never get to watch him grow up, but most of my pain is for my sisters loss. Seeing her in so much sadness and agony and knowing theres nothing i can do to make it better. I hope she will find time a healer, i think these first anniversaries of his birth, time in hospital, death and funeral will be the hardest for us, i hope it will get a bit easier after that but i guess its never going to go away, and with the loss of a child you have the what should of been's. My nephew would have been crawling by now, GtE's son should have got his GCSE results this year... Life sucks at time

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Did something go horribly wrong with this thread? There seems to be lots missing from it, and I haven't been able to access TW since 1:30 this aft.