Wanderers v Charlton

[malcd1]

"He's got a great leader to learn off in Kevin Davies and I myself like to think that I can help him make the most of his career."

This bloke is either:

A) Putting KD in the shop window for January.
B) Clueless.
C) Feckin' clueless.

Let's look at the stats. By my reckoning, Under Freedman KD has 2 goals from 8 starts. NGog has 4 goals from 2 starts.

I can understand people booing if they believed B) or C) above were true.

Sorry to pick you up on this but in the games since Freedman arrived:

K Davies - 7 starts plus 2 as sub - 2 goals
D N'gog - 4 starts plus 2 as subs - 4 goals

So David N'gog has started 4 games but he has only scored 1 of his 4 goals from those games. He has had 2 substitute appearances and scored 3 goals.

He scored more goals when coming on as a sub. In fact Gary Henshaw was saying on Tower FM earlier that he thinks N'gog doesn't work as hard when he starts as he thinks he is saving something for later in the game. The figures do suggest this may be true. Perhaps Douggie has it right.

[BWFC_Insane]

As opposed to sounding like what? A c*nt?

Well now that you mention it...

How stupid do you feel for defending our previous cretin of a manager?

On a scale of 1-10 like?

Just interested.

[Lord Kangana]

This is getting tedious and irrelevant now.

You wanted Megson back. I hear showers of glass everytime you lob those rocks.

[Bijou Bob]

Didn't manage to get there today (Decorating orders) but listened to the second half on GMR. This is a difficult league where there are no easy matches. Charlton are flying at the moment and for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would think we have a right to walk over any team in this division

3 points at home when we played poorly for 60 minutes, is 3 points. Hands up all those who would sooner we played like city last week but ended the afternoon with sweet FA? No, didn't think so.

Mid table and only 5 or 6 points off the pace. Given what has gone on at the club over the past 18 months, that's not a bad place to be.

[Wandering Willy]

Sorry to pick you up on this but in the games since Freedman arrived:

K Davies - 7 starts plus 2 as sub - 2 goals
D N'gog - 4 starts plus 2 as subs - 4 goals

So David N'gog has started 4 games but he has only scored 1 of his 4 goals from those games. He has had 2 substitute appearances and scored 3 goals.

He scored more goals when coming on as a sub. In fact Gary Henshaw was saying on Tower FM earlier that he thinks N'gog doesn't work as hard when he starts as he thinks he is saving something for later in the game. The figures do suggest this may be true. Perhaps Douggie has it right.

So KD scores 1 goal every 4.5 appearances.

NGog scores 1 every 1.5 appearances.

It's a tough one.

[malcd1]

Sorry to pick you up on this but in the games since Freedman arrived:

K Davies - 7 starts plus 2 as sub - 2 goals
D N'gog - 4 starts plus 2 as subs - 4 goals

So David N'gog has started 4 games but he has only scored 1 of his 4 goals from those games. He has had 2 substitute appearances and scored 3 goals.

He scored more goals when coming on as a sub. In fact Gary Henshaw was saying on Tower FM earlier that he thinks N'gog doesn't work as hard when he starts as he thinks he is saving something for later in the game. The figures do suggest this may be true. Perhaps Douggie has it right.

So KD scores 1 goal every 4.5 appearances.

NGog scores 1 every 1.5 appearances.

It's a tough one.

I didn't say their scoring rates were comparable. Just that N'Gog has actually started 4 games but only scored in one. I personally would like to see N'Gog get more games and minutes on the pitch than he is getting. He is much more of a goal threat than Davies is.

[Enoch]

It's a fact that some players are better when coming off the bench.

A lot of how players perform in a match is related to how competitive they feel. Some folk, try as they might, can't work themselves up before a game to the level where they are best able to perform. For some, sitting watching their team struggle for 60 minutes is the only thing that gets them to that level.

One that comes instantly to mind is David Fairclough.

[CAPSLOCK]

This is getting tedious and irrelevant now.

You wanted Megson back. I hear showers of glass everytime you lob those rocks.

I'd have had Megson back after Swansea away and we'd have stayed up last season

I know this cos David bastard Blunkett would've kept us up

[CAPSLOCK]

Oh yeah, we were fcuking shite

AND WE WON

[BWFC_Insane]

This is getting tedious and irrelevant now.

You wanted Megson back. I hear showers of glass everytime you lob those rocks.

Really? And when was that?

Mind the old 'anyone but Coyle' seems pretty much totally correct!

[TANGODANCER]

Nice to see everybody overflowing with joy and all smiles at a 2-0 win. What is it now, three wins, five draws and one loss? Might be seen as worth a sickly grimace at least.

[Worthy4England]

I don't mind if we shunt Davo out in Jan (for a decent striker - would have loved to have seen Klasnic in this Division). But I'm not having anyone telling me on this season's performances that N'gog, Sordell or Afobe are the answer either. N'gog might just about have enough to help us out if this Division, but has consistently shown he's not worth jack in the Prem(something you can't say about Davo over the course of his career)

See - this is where we differ. Now you would know better than me, but i would be surprised if Ngog has 3 consecutive starts with us. I would like to see him with a decent run of starts in the first team before I write him off. Let's face it, it can't be worse than what we have upfront now.

He did 15 consecutive starts for us last season from 20 Dec to 7 April, Davo's longest run of starts was 6. He made more starts than Davo last season & was on the pitch longer than Davo last season, by about 4 games worth. He scored 3 and set up 6. Davo scored 6 and set up 2.

Maybe not much worse, but not a shitload better either. For all the stick our geriatric Skipper is getting, you'd think they were worlds apart - I'm just not seeing that.

[plymouth wanderer]

I don't mind if we shunt Davo out in Jan (for a decent striker - would have loved to have seen Klasnic in this Division). But I'm not having anyone telling me on this season's performances that N'gog, Sordell or Afobe are the answer either. N'gog might just about have enough to help us out if this Division, but has consistently shown he's not worth jack in the Prem(something you can't say about Davo over the course of his career)

See - this is where we differ. Now you would know better than me, but i would be surprised if Ngog has 3 consecutive starts with us. I would like to see him with a decent run of starts in the first team before I write him off. Let's face it, it can't be worse than what we have upfront now.

Fvcking A

[Worthy4England]

Sorry to pick you up on this but in the games since Freedman arrived:

K Davies - 7 starts plus 2 as sub - 2 goals
D N'gog - 4 starts plus 2 as subs - 4 goals

So David N'gog has started 4 games but he has only scored 1 of his 4 goals from those games. He has had 2 substitute appearances and scored 3 goals.

He scored more goals when coming on as a sub. In fact Gary Henshaw was saying on Tower FM earlier that he thinks N'gog doesn't work as hard when he starts as he thinks he is saving something for later in the game. The figures do suggest this may be true. Perhaps Douggie has it right.

So KD scores 1 goal every 4.5 appearances.

NGog scores 1 every 1.5 appearances.

It's a tough one.

Nice stats.

KD this season is scoring about once every 290 minutes. N'gog is better than that at once every 191 minutes, but like Malc said, he's bagged three of his four when coming on as a sub with fresh legs, and only managed 3 all last year, whilst having more starts and more time on the pitch than Davo.

Since N'gog joined us, he's scored a goal every 400 minutes - over the same period, Davo has scored one every 300 minutes.

On assists, N'gog has been much better with an assist about every 300 minutes, compared to Davo at 600 minutes.

Over a 46 game season, that means that N'gog would be involved in 23 goals (scoring or assisting) to Davo's 20. Which given I've yet to see N'gog last a full season, is about quits in my book.

So if Davo is a shitehole of a lump, then N'gog is in about the same space.

[89bwfc89]

To the booers. Don't bother coming again, you really peed me off today. To the guy behind me shouting come on dumpy (!?) to Butterfield when he came over to take a corner....erm what?

He is quite dumpy though.

PS it wasn't me saying that... although I did refer to him as a 'smaller fatter looking version of Chris Eagles' to my mate who came along and hasn't seen him before.

I don't think anything is meant by comments like that really, I don't think Butterfield had a good game today but generally he's been pretty good and I'm sure most fans agree on that.

Throw away comments like that to your mate I can understand but chanting it pretty loudly when he's running over to your corner for him and everybody else to hear? That's not going to inspire him to do his all for 3 points for the Whites nor is it teaching the younger kids who are there anything about passion or getting behind the lads. If someone was chanting shite like that to me I'd just think what's the point. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have even heard it and even if he did you'd hope he would rise above it but I'm not sure it's giving a great impression of the fans to a loanee we could potentially want to sign.

Hoboh - just to pick up on the point you made about fans worrying about booing rather than what's going on on the pitch, in my view, I think the two have a direct correlation which is what worrys me/angered me enough to post my little rant! The fans have to do their bit once they step into the Reebok on match day, otherwise, what's the point?

[CAPSLOCK]

Sorry to pick you up on this but in the games since Freedman arrived:

K Davies - 7 starts plus 2 as sub - 2 goals
D N'gog - 4 starts plus 2 as subs - 4 goals

So David N'gog has started 4 games but he has only scored 1 of his 4 goals from those games. He has had 2 substitute appearances and scored 3 goals.

He scored more goals when coming on as a sub. In fact Gary Henshaw was saying on Tower FM earlier that he thinks N'gog doesn't work as hard when he starts as he thinks he is saving something for later in the game. The figures do suggest this may be true. Perhaps Douggie has it right.

So KD scores 1 goal every 4.5 appearances.

NGog scores 1 every 1.5 appearances.

It's a tough one.

Nice stats.

KD this season is scoring about once every 290 minutes. N'gog is better than that at once every 191 minutes, but like Malc said, he's bagged three of his four when coming on as a sub with fresh legs, and only managed 3 all last year, whilst having more starts and more time on the pitch than Davo.

Since N'gog joined us, he's scored a goal every 400 minutes - over the same period, Davo has scored one every 300 minutes.

On assists, N'gog has been much better with an assist about every 300 minutes, compared to Davo at 600 minutes.

Over a 46 game season, that means that N'gog would be involved in 23 goals (scoring or assisting) to Davo's 20. Which given I've yet to see N'gog last a full season, is about quits in my book.

So if Davo is a shitehole of a lump, then N'gog is in about the same space.

Davies can't run

N'Gog can

I'm fcuking sick of seeing him strangling the life out of us

[ChrisC]

Only just back in.. most has already been said. Boring game with to many silly mistakes. The booing is a feckin joke! what must the players and Dougie think of the fans? We need to wake up and smell the coffee! we are not going to bulldoze every team in this league. 1 loss in 8 and we boo our team.. fantastic! Fans need to get behind the team now and be patient whilst Dougie is working on things and changing our style etc.. he didn't put us in this mess so why boo the guy when he has only been here 2 minutes and is doing a decent job in turning us in the right direction IMO.

We lacked a cutting edge today, it was sideways pass after sideways pass. We was crying out for someone like N'gog to come on and be strong on the ball and turn them inside out and actually get at there defence. The annoying thing for me was that every time we got it out wide we played it back inside and just messed things up.. nobody wanted to have a crack at goal and just turned around and passed it back or sideways or gave it away.

We are a much better organised and look more solid as a team now and I can see what Dougie is trying to do but these things take time and come January with a few additions I think we will make the playoffs. The next few games are against struggling sides and hopefully we can push on now.

One last thing, according to our announcer David Ngeeo scored twice today! as if he doesn't know how to pronounce Ngog's name

[Worthy4England]

Sorry to pick you up on this but in the games since Freedman arrived:

K Davies - 7 starts plus 2 as sub - 2 goals
D N'gog - 4 starts plus 2 as subs - 4 goals

So David N'gog has started 4 games but he has only scored 1 of his 4 goals from those games. He has had 2 substitute appearances and scored 3 goals.

He scored more goals when coming on as a sub. In fact Gary Henshaw was saying on Tower FM earlier that he thinks N'gog doesn't work as hard when he starts as he thinks he is saving something for later in the game. The figures do suggest this may be true. Perhaps Douggie has it right.

So KD scores 1 goal every 4.5 appearances.

NGog scores 1 every 1.5 appearances.

It's a tough one.

Nice stats.

KD this season is scoring about once every 290 minutes. N'gog is better than that at once every 191 minutes, but like Malc said, he's bagged three of his four when coming on as a sub with fresh legs, and only managed 3 all last year, whilst having more starts and more time on the pitch than Davo.

Since N'gog joined us, he's scored a goal every 400 minutes - over the same period, Davo has scored one every 300 minutes.

On assists, N'gog has been much better with an assist about every 300 minutes, compared to Davo at 600 minutes.

Over a 46 game season, that means that N'gog would be involved in 23 goals (scoring or assisting) to Davo's 20. Which given I've yet to see N'gog last a full season, is about quits in my book.

So if Davo is a shitehole of a lump, then N'gog is in about the same space.

Davies can't run

N'Gog can

I'm fcuking sick of seeing him strangling the life out of us

I'm not saying that it's not time to change Davo. Just don't think N'gog is the answer either.

If we parted with both in Jan, for two better forwards, I'd be delighted.

[BWFC_Insane]

Id rather we binned off Afobe and Sordell for two better forwards to be honest.....

[boltonboris]

Our fans are pricks. At 1-0 all you could hear around me was "feck* get it forward" and "hit it" when were knocking the ball around them.

I feck* despair. They make me angry and genuinely ruin my matchday. I'm considering taking a ban for kickin the feck out of one of the pricks.