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[boltonboris]

And for all of Alonso's good work, he was wank for their goal.

[bedwetter2]

And for all of Alonso's good work, he was wank for their goal.

He may have been - I couldn't see as it was at the far end of the pitch and everyone in front contrived to stand up at the same time - but he made amends if he was at fault didn't he?

Alonso has been given little game time and so if anyone is comparing his rare appearances in the last 24 months with those of Pratley, who has had far more playing time, you are on the wrong track. Pratley came to Bolton from Swansea with a reputation as a goal-scoring midfielder. We are now in the same division as Swansea when Pratley was there. All I have seen from him is lots of effort but not a lot more.

Davies is not the longer term answer. Hell, he isn't even the short term answer. The stats, bandied around here before seem to prove that for all his game time, per minute of play he is less effective than N'gog and that is not saying a great deal. I watched him quite closely during the match against Brum. He is generally unable to do what he did two years ago, i.e. rise above a defender and flick on, but that isn't the point as he was the only one up front for us and so who can he flick on to anyway? I will admit that I have never liked our style of play with Davies as the only forward because it so dictates everything the rest of the team does that there is little variation. He is now, what? 35 or 36? Time to retire him.

I also suspect but have no proof that he has been a toxic influence in the dressing room against managers past and present.

[bedwetter2]

And for all of Alonso's good work, he was wank for their goal.

Double post.

[William the White]

It's all about opinions, but William the White and Jakerbeef's view of my arse don't address the central issue of how this club can mount a challenge for promotion.

[bedwetter2]

It's all about opinions, but William the White and Jakerbeef's view of my arse don't address the central issue of how this club can mount a challenge for promotion.

You've been caught arse watching you dirty, dirty boy.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

And for all of Alonso's good work, he was wank for their goal.

Alonso has been given little game time and so if anyone is comparing his rare appearances in the last 24 months with those of Pratley, who has had far more playing time, you are on the wrong track. Pratley came to Bolton from Swansea with a reputation as a goal-scoring midfielder. We are now in the same division as Swansea when Pratley was there. All I have seen from him is lots of effort but not a lot more.

No one was comparing Alonso and Pratley

Alonso has had a couple of runs of games in the past and has done feck all with it. He is a shit shit left back/defender. Maybe he belongs in midfield, but because he scores an occasional goal it doesn't mean he should be anywhere near our defence. That said, the team that played at Brum have earnt (I'm a spacktard) earned the right to keep their place for the next match for me.

[boltonboris]

Davies is not the longer term answer. Hell, he isn't even the short term answer. The stats, bandied around here before seem to prove that for all his game time, per minute of play he is less effective than N'gog and that is not saying a great deal. I watched him quite closely during the match against Brum. He is generally unable to do what he did two years ago, i.e. rise above a defender and flick on, but that isn't the point as he was the only one up front for us and so who can he flick on to anyway? I will admit that I have never liked our style of play with Davies as the only forward because it so dictates everything the rest of the team does that there is little variation. He is now, what? 35 or 36? Time to retire him.

I also suspect but have no proof that he has been a toxic influence in the dressing room against managers past and present.

Still, as I said earlier, he created two of our goals.

[Worthy4England]

Davies is not the longer term answer. Hell, he isn't even the short term answer. The stats, bandied around here before seem to prove that for all his game time, per minute of play he is less effective than N'gog and that is not saying a great deal. I watched him quite closely during the match against Brum. He is generally unable to do what he did two years ago, i.e. rise above a defender and flick on, but that isn't the point as he was the only one up front for us and so who can he flick on to anyway? I will admit that I have never liked our style of play with Davies as the only forward because it so dictates everything the rest of the team does that there is little variation. He is now, what? 35 or 36? Time to retire him.

I also suspect but have no proof that he has been a toxic influence in the dressing room against managers past and present.

Still, as I said earlier, he created two of our goals.

Indeed - a fact not spotted by some folk watching him quite closely. Good job they weren't just taking a passing interest.

I happen to agree with bedwetter that he's not the longer term answer, but let's call it as it is maybe and give him credit for his work on the two goals.

[BWFC_Insane]

If Davies plays like that every game, he's better than owt else we've got. Same goes for Pratley.

They probably won't but heck they both had great games!

[bedwetter2]

Davies is not the longer term answer. Hell, he isn't even the short term answer. The stats, bandied around here before seem to prove that for all his game time, per minute of play he is less effective than N'gog and that is not saying a great deal. I watched him quite closely during the match against Brum. He is generally unable to do what he did two years ago, i.e. rise above a defender and flick on, but that isn't the point as he was the only one up front for us and so who can he flick on to anyway? I will admit that I have never liked our style of play with Davies as the only forward because it so dictates everything the rest of the team does that there is little variation. He is now, what? 35 or 36? Time to retire him.

I also suspect but have no proof that he has been a toxic influence in the dressing room against managers past and present.

Still, as I said earlier, he created two of our goals.

Indeed - a fact not spotted by some folk watching him quite closely. Good job they weren't just taking a passing interest.

I happen to agree with bedwetter that he's not the longer term answer, but let's call it as it is maybe and give him credit for his work on the two goals.

Ok you've got me bang to rights guv. I'll admit I am massively predjudiced against Davies, anyone with the surname Davies in fact. It's the Welshness of the name, see.
I'll give him credit for this one if he also gets all the brickbats due to him for his general shitness over the last 2 years. I will not concede on Pratley. If all one of our players has to do to be rated is to run around like a headless chicken, then bring back Andranik.

[boltonboris]

See, with Pratley, I'd agree that he's shite. But he really pinned their defence back and thanks to him, they struggled to get out of their half. His quality on the ball leaves a lot to be desired, but he's a very intelligent footballer. If only his feet could do what his head was telling them....

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

If only his feet could do what his head was telling them....

I have the same problem

[Wandering Willy]

Davies "doesn't create much"

Except for 2/3rds of our goals on Saturday....

Just so we're clear, you're claiming that Davies created Lee's goal by passing him the ball leaving Lee with the simple task of slotting it home after running 30 yards, beating 2 defenders and rounding the keeper?

And for the second one I assume you are referring to the penalty which Davies created by forcing the defender to bizarrely handle the ball?

A stretch by the standards of even the most fervent Davies fan.

[boltonboris]

It doesn't matter how they came about. It just matters that they came about.

[BWFC_Insane]

Davies "doesn't create much"

Except for 2/3rds of our goals on Saturday....

Just so we're clear, you're claiming that Davies created Lee's goal by passing him the ball leaving Lee with the simple task of slotting it home after running 30 yards, beating 2 defenders and rounding the keeper?

And for the second one I assume you are referring to the penalty which Davies created by forcing the defender to bizarrely handle the ball?

A stretch by the standards of even the most fervent Davies fan.

Well yes, but just remind us how many goals scored or even created our non Davies strike force managed against Wednesday?

[Wandering Willy]

Davies "doesn't create much"

Except for 2/3rds of our goals on Saturday....

Just so we're clear, you're claiming that Davies created Lee's goal by passing him the ball leaving Lee with the simple task of slotting it home after running 30 yards, beating 2 defenders and rounding the keeper?

And for the second one I assume you are referring to the penalty which Davies created by forcing the defender to bizarrely handle the ball?

A stretch by the standards of even the most fervent Davies fan.

Well yes, but just remind us how many goals scored or even created our non Davies strike force managed against Wednesday?

That's all that was needed.

[Worthy4England]

A stretch by the standards of even the most fervent Davies fan.

Unlike anyone who might suggest, when we've scored 4 away from home and got beaten, that the problem lay with one player up front?


This is nothing to do with flowery words like fervent. Most folk I suspect recognise the limitations Davo has and would be happy to replace him with better. In fact I'd go as far as would be delighted.

Yes Lee had lots to do, but it was an excellent lay off for him from Davo.

And yes, some bloke stopping it with his hand isn't much to do with Davo, other than he was there, won his header and it was going across their 6 yard box. I give him credit for that in the same way as I gave N'gog the credit for winning the pen against Cardiff.

Let's be honest if it had been N'gog, because his sick note had run out, we'd all be getting told he can't win headers because it needs to be into feet.

[BWFC_Insane]

Davies "doesn't create much"

Except for 2/3rds of our goals on Saturday....

Just so we're clear, you're claiming that Davies created Lee's goal by passing him the ball leaving Lee with the simple task of slotting it home after running 30 yards, beating 2 defenders and rounding the keeper?

And for the second one I assume you are referring to the penalty which Davies created by forcing the defender to bizarrely handle the ball?

A stretch by the standards of even the most fervent Davies fan.

Well yes, but just remind us how many goals scored or even created our non Davies strike force managed against Wednesday?

That's all that was needed.

The point being that whatever his limitations our other options have done worse. Hence why he will start games, because what we have in reserve isn't as good.

[bedwetter2]

A stretch by the standards of even the most fervent Davies fan.

Unlike anyone who might suggest, when we've scored 4 away from home and got beaten, that the problem lay with one player up front?


This is nothing to do with flowery words like fervent. Most folk I suspect recognise the limitations Davo has and would be happy to replace him with better. In fact I'd go as far as would be delighted.

Yes Lee had lots to do, but it was an excellent lay off for him from Davo.

And yes, some bloke stopping it with his hand isn't much to do with Davo, other than he was there, won his header and it was going across their 6 yard box. I give him credit for that in the same way as I gave N'gog the credit for winning the pen against Cardiff.

Let's be honest if it had been N'gog, because his sick note had run out, we'd all be getting told he can't win headers because it needs to be into feet.

1. Flowery words include petal, stamen, sepal but certainly not fervent.

2. By whom would we be getting told this? I'll bet you are thinking of BL3 or Dan, Dan the lavatory man or whatever his name is.

[Wandering Willy]

A stretch by the standards of even the most fervent Davies fan.

Unlike anyone who might suggest, when we've scored 4 away from home and got beaten, that the problem lay with one player up front?


This is nothing to do with flowery words like fervent. Most folk I suspect recognise the limitations Davo has and would be happy to replace him with better. In fact I'd go as far as would be delighted.

Yes Lee had lots to do, but it was an excellent lay off for him from Davo.

And yes, some bloke stopping it with his hand isn't much to do with Davo, other than he was there, won his header and it was going across their 6 yard box. I give him credit for that in the same way as I gave N'gog the credit for winning the pen against Cardiff.

Let's be honest if it had been N'gog, because his sick note had run out, we'd all be getting told he can't win headers because it needs to be into feet.

You can flannel all you want about NGog and how good the non scoring KD was in a 5-4 loss to the bottom of the league side but I still challenge the assertion Davies created 2 goals on Saturday.