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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by boltonboris » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:42 pm

ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
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ohjimmyjimmy wrote:Feels a bit uneasy for his comeback game to be on a minus 5 degree night and rock hard pitch in the north east, in front of 120,000 baying Mackems. Dunno, just a feeling, i know he has to do it at some point but still, given how long his road to recovery has been, can we really not give him a couple more weeks to run out for the ressies a bit more or something?
Rock hard pitch? It'll be far from it.

And what could happen at minus 5 in the middle of a football match that couldn't happen normally?

The only reason I wouldn't include him, is if Cattermole is playing. (as mentioned above)
Ok, for starters:
Cold muscles and connective tissue have less elasticity and are therefore more prone to injury.

They'll be running around at quite a pace.

Considering rhe injury Stuart has had and the road to recovery, i personally dont see why it would be risked on such a night without a bit more conditioning first, a bit more match sharpness to get them elasticity back, rather than throwing him in. - And how do you suggest he does this without playing football?

But obviously, his leg could just as easily get snapped in 2 months.
Even though it didnt snap in the first place.
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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by ChrisC » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:43 pm

ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
boltonboris wrote:
ohjimmyjimmy wrote:Feels a bit uneasy for his comeback game to be on a minus 5 degree night and rock hard pitch in the north east, in front of 120,000 baying Mackems. Dunno, just a feeling, i know he has to do it at some point but still, given how long his road to recovery has been, can we really not give him a couple more weeks to run out for the ressies a bit more or something?
Rock hard pitch? It'll be far from it.

And what could happen at minus 5 in the middle of a football match that couldn't happen normally?

The only reason I wouldn't include him, is if Cattermole is playing. (as mentioned above)
Ok, for starters:
Cold muscles and connective tissue have less elasticity and are therefore more prone to injury.
Considering rhe injury Stuart has had and the road to recovery, i personally dont see why it would be risked on such a night without a bit more conditioning first, a bit more match sharpness to get them elasticity back, rather than throwing him in.

But obviously, his leg could just as easily get snapped in 2 months.
Even though it didnt snap in the first place.
Aimed at my comment, which is fair enough but I didn't literally mean snapped :lol: Its winter so no matter what game he makes his comeback he will still be playing in the cold unless we don't play him until the summer.

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by thebish » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:44 pm

ChrisC wrote:
ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
boltonboris wrote:
ohjimmyjimmy wrote:Feels a bit uneasy for his comeback game to be on a minus 5 degree night and rock hard pitch in the north east, in front of 120,000 baying Mackems. Dunno, just a feeling, i know he has to do it at some point but still, given how long his road to recovery has been, can we really not give him a couple more weeks to run out for the ressies a bit more or something?
Rock hard pitch? It'll be far from it.

And what could happen at minus 5 in the middle of a football match that couldn't happen normally?

The only reason I wouldn't include him, is if Cattermole is playing. (as mentioned above)
Ok, for starters:
Cold muscles and connective tissue have less elasticity and are therefore more prone to injury.
Considering rhe injury Stuart has had and the road to recovery, i personally dont see why it would be risked on such a night without a bit more conditioning first, a bit more match sharpness to get them elasticity back, rather than throwing him in.

But obviously, his leg could just as easily get snapped in 2 months.
Even though it didnt snap in the first place.
Aimed at my comment, which is fair enough but I didn't literally mean snapped :lol: Its winter so no matter what game he makes his comeback he will still be playing in the cold unless we don't play him until the summer.
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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by ohjimmyjimmy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:47 pm

boltonboris wrote:
ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
boltonboris wrote:
ohjimmyjimmy wrote:Feels a bit uneasy for his comeback game to be on a minus 5 degree night and rock hard pitch in the north east, in front of 120,000 baying Mackems. Dunno, just a feeling, i know he has to do it at some point but still, given how long his road to recovery has been, can we really not give him a couple more weeks to run out for the ressies a bit more or something?
Rock hard pitch? It'll be far from it.

And what could happen at minus 5 in the middle of a football match that couldn't happen normally?

The only reason I wouldn't include him, is if Cattermole is playing. (as mentioned above)
Ok, for starters:
Cold muscles and connective tissue have less elasticity and are therefore more prone to injury.

They'll be running around at quite a pace.

Considering rhe injury Stuart has had and the road to recovery, i personally dont see why it would be risked on such a night without a bit more conditioning first, a bit more match sharpness to get them elasticity back, rather than throwing him in. -

But obviously, his leg could just as easily get snapped in 2 months.
Even though it didnt snap in the first place.
'And how do you suggest he does this without playing football?'

:shock:
Did i....
No i checked, i didnt say that.

I said tonight, may not be ideal, even if it's a 5% extra chance due to a slight lack of match sharpness combined with conditions, that it may be a couple weeks too soon for first team.

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by ohjimmyjimmy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:48 pm

ChrisC wrote:
ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
boltonboris wrote:
ohjimmyjimmy wrote:Feels a bit uneasy for his comeback game to be on a minus 5 degree night and rock hard pitch in the north east, in front of 120,000 baying Mackems. Dunno, just a feeling, i know he has to do it at some point but still, given how long his road to recovery has been, can we really not give him a couple more weeks to run out for the ressies a bit more or something?
Rock hard pitch? It'll be far from it.

And what could happen at minus 5 in the middle of a football match that couldn't happen normally?

The only reason I wouldn't include him, is if Cattermole is playing. (as mentioned above)
Ok, for starters:
Cold muscles and connective tissue have less elasticity and are therefore more prone to injury.
Considering rhe injury Stuart has had and the road to recovery, i personally dont see why it would be risked on such a night without a bit more conditioning first, a bit more match sharpness to get them elasticity back, rather than throwing him in.

But obviously, his leg could just as easily get snapped in 2 months.
Even though it didnt snap in the first place.
Aimed at my comment, which is fair enough but I didn't literally mean snapped :lol: Its winter so no matter what game he makes his comeback he will still be playing in the cold unless we don't play him until the summer.
i know :)
And at least you can make your point amiably and with good social skills.

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by boltonboris » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:51 pm

ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
boltonboris wrote:
ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
boltonboris wrote:
ohjimmyjimmy wrote:Feels a bit uneasy for his comeback game to be on a minus 5 degree night and rock hard pitch in the north east, in front of 120,000 baying Mackems. Dunno, just a feeling, i know he has to do it at some point but still, given how long his road to recovery has been, can we really not give him a couple more weeks to run out for the ressies a bit more or something?
Rock hard pitch? It'll be far from it.

And what could happen at minus 5 in the middle of a football match that couldn't happen normally?

The only reason I wouldn't include him, is if Cattermole is playing. (as mentioned above)
Ok, for starters:
Cold muscles and connective tissue have less elasticity and are therefore more prone to injury.

They'll be running around at quite a pace.

Considering rhe injury Stuart has had and the road to recovery, i personally dont see why it would be risked on such a night without a bit more conditioning first, a bit more match sharpness to get them elasticity back, rather than throwing him in. -

But obviously, his leg could just as easily get snapped in 2 months.
Even though it didnt snap in the first place.
'And how do you suggest he does this without playing football?'

:shock:
Did i....
No i checked, i didnt say that.

I said tonight, may not be ideal, even if it's a 5% extra chance due to a slight lack of match sharpness combined with conditions, that it may be a couple weeks too soon for first team.
So you wouldn't let him play until when? March?

If it's bloody cold, he'll just have to make sure he's warm. I don't imagine there's more injuries that occur during matches at this time of the year than any other. They're proffessionals, they deal with the conditions appropriately.

And you said "needs more match sharpness" then suggested that he not play any matches.
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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by ohjimmyjimmy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:55 pm

So you wouldn't let him play until when? March?

If it's bloody cold, he'll just have to make sure he's warm. I don't imagine there's more injuries that occur during matches at this time of the year than any other. They're proffessionals, they deal with the conditions appropriately.
I wouldnt let him play until he is ready.

And yes, normally the body will adapt and a fit & conditioned professional will be probably less likely in freezing weather than any other time to get injured, but this is a guy out for 2 years who's whole leg or knee muscles have had to be rebuilt, why take any chances until it's 100% right.

But, obviously if the club play him then they've assessed it and deemed it ok, all i said was it would worry me.

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by ohjimmyjimmy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:56 pm

And you said "needs more match sharpness" then suggested that he not play any matches.
For the umpteenth time where did i say or suggest he not play ANY matches??

Don't infer things that i did not imply... 8)

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by thebish » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:18 pm

dougie's only playing him so that when get dicked he can declare that there is good news - in the Holden came through a testing last 2mins with only a minor injury...

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by ohjimmyjimmy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:20 pm

At least there'll be plenty of ice packs available to pack onto his knee after the game .

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by coffeymagic » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:23 pm

In my mind I have an unbeatable midfield of

Andrews, Chungy, Davies, Eagles, Holden, Pratley and Vela.

Total football here we come!

Don't ask me anymore questions about formation or other positions but surely with this line up we're gonna win the league! We're gonna win the league!

And FA Cup.
I'm not asking you to 'think outside the box' I just wish you'd have a rummage around in it once in a while.

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by Sponge » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:28 pm

ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
And you said "needs more match sharpness" then suggested that he not play any matches.
For the umpteenth time where did i say or suggest he not play ANY matches??

Don't infer things that i did not imply... 8)
That's all well and good, Jimmy, but how's he gonna get match-sharp without actually playing matches?

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by ohjimmyjimmy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:29 pm

Sponge wrote:
ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
And you said "needs more match sharpness" then suggested that he not play any matches.
For the umpteenth time where did i say or suggest he not play ANY matches??

Don't infer things that i did not imply... 8)
That's all well and good, Jimmy, but how's he gonna get match-sharp without actually playing matches?
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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by thebish » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:30 pm

Sponge wrote:
ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
And you said "needs more match sharpness" then suggested that he not play any matches.
For the umpteenth time where did i say or suggest he not play ANY matches??

Don't infer things that i did not imply... 8)
That's all well and good, Jimmy, but how's he gonna get match-sharp without actually playing matches?
surely that's what video games are for??

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by bobo the clown » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:31 pm

Well, it does have to happen at some point. It does seem a couple of reserve/practice games early but I'm more concerned that he doesn't get crocked again. But he will be having me on pins whenever he plays for months before I can settle to it, no matter when that is.
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:34 pm

You can get a match sharp with a tiny little machete and some precise whittling. You're welcome.

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Post by ohjimmyjimmy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:35 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:You can get a match sharp with a tiny little machete and some precise whittling. You're welcome.
I think that's what that guy in Harwood was trying to do on Sunday...doesn't always work!

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by thebish » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:40 pm

throwawayboltonian wrote: And ping pong.
8)

though much maligned - it seems the ping-pong must have worked, because it seems Coyle was getting the most out of this squad that could possibly be got from them...

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:43 pm

ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:You can get a match sharp with a tiny little machete and some precise whittling. You're welcome.
I think that's what that guy in Harwood was trying to do on Sunday...doesn't always work!

#topical
Topical but perhaps a little geographically targeted... :D

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Re: Holden Back For Wears.

Post by ohjimmyjimmy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:46 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:You can get a match sharp with a tiny little machete and some precise whittling. You're welcome.
I think that's what that guy in Harwood was trying to do on Sunday...doesn't always work!

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