Today I'm angry about.....

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

About 14 quid to fill up here

[Annoyed Grunt]

I'm about to have an LPG conversion. It's only 75p a litre. That'll do nicely.

Approved installer doing it? Don't forget to tell your insurance company either.

[bwfcdan94]

Same old same old another relegation threatend season and it is not even like I will be that happy if we stay up as we should be doing so much better than this.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I'm about to have an LPG conversion. It's only 75p a litre. That'll do nicely.

Approved installer doing it? Don't forget to tell your insurance company either.

I'm not too familiar with it. I read:

LPG has a lower energy density than either petrol or fuel-oil, so the equivalent fuel consumption is higher. Many governments impose less tax on LPG than on petrol or fuel-oil, which helps offset the greater consumption of LPG than of petrol or fuel-oil. However, in many European countries this tax break is often compensated by a much higher annual road tax on cars using LPG than on cars using petrol or fuel-oil. Propane is the third most widely used motor fuel in the world. 2008 estimates are that over 13 million vehicles are fueled by propane gas worldwide. Over 20 million tonnes (over 7 billion US gallons) are used annually as a vehicle fuel.

So it sounds like what you gain on price you lose on consumption to some extent.

Good luck.

[Bijou Bob]

I'm still doing the research at the mo and trying to calculate whether it would be worth it. Given some of the stuff Ive just read on different forums, I may not bother; when it goes wrong it seems to go badly wrong. As work pick up most of my fuel costs (But to be fair, most of my mileage is theirs) I may just live without it.

[Bruce Rioja]

I couldn't give a flying feck how much car fuel costs. I get taxed on it just the same!

[Always hopeful]

I'm absolutely livid about the abuse I got today from all areas, as I refereed my son's under 15 football match today. It was absolutely incredible.

As our team's reach the U15 and U16 age groups, very few qualified referees want to referee the matches. Consequently, it falls on coaches or parents to step in and volunteer to referee. There's no qualified official in attendence. As a result, everyone seems to see this as an opportunity to give abuse.

It's bad enough people abusing qualified referees, however you could argue that they knew what they were signing up for, but when people abuse coaches or parents who step in, its totally unacceptable.

Its a very sad indictment for football and the world we live in, that we struggle to get qualified referees to referee kids football. Very sad.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I'm absolutely livid about the abuse I got today from all areas, as I refereed my son's under 15 football match today. It was absolutely incredible.

As our team's reach the U15 and U16 age groups, very few qualified referees want to referee the matches. Consequently, it falls on coaches or parents to step in and volunteer to referee. There's no qualified official in attendence. As a result, everyone seems to see this as an opportunity to give abuse.

It's bad enough people abusing qualified referees, however you could argue that they knew what they were signing up for, but when people abuse coaches or parents who step in, its totally unacceptable.

Its a very sad indictment for football and the world we live in, that we struggle to get qualified referees to referee kids football. Very sad.

You should have left your white cane behind then.

[Bijou Bob]

I feel your pain AH. I did 5 seasons refereeing kids matches and gave it up last season after a run in with a parent. They like to dish it out, but can't take it back. I had a 20 stone lump screaming abuse at me every 2 minutes and on around 80 minutes, I'd had enough. During a break in play, I walked over and said;

"Listen, you fat ****, if you're prepared to give up the beer, eat less pies, lose 8 stone, forget your lie in and run around a dog shit ridden pitch chasing after your own kid for 80 minutes, then fair enough, otherwise, shut the **** up."

To be fair he did apologise after the final whistle. That was followed by 2 matches where I sent off a lad for calling me a "Cheating c***". His dad flipped as did his coach. Even after I explained why he had been sent off, I was accused of ruining the match.

And they wonder why parents are now having to referee matches because there are no referees left. The only guys prepared to do it now seem to be 15 year old kids and the abuse and threats of violence Ive seen some of them receive beggars belief.

[Always hopeful]

I'm absolutely livid about the abuse I got today from all areas, as I refereed my son's under 15 football match today. It was absolutely incredible.

As our team's reach the U15 and U16 age groups, very few qualified referees want to referee the matches. Consequently, it falls on coaches or parents to step in and volunteer to referee. There's no qualified official in attendence. As a result, everyone seems to see this as an opportunity to give abuse.

It's bad enough people abusing qualified referees, however you could argue that they knew what they were signing up for, but when people abuse coaches or parents who step in, its totally unacceptable.

Its a very sad indictment for football and the world we live in, that we struggle to get qualified referees to referee kids football. Very sad.

You should have left your white cane behind then.

[Always hopeful]

I feel your pain AH. I did 5 seasons refereeing kids matches and gave it up last season after a run in with a parent. They like to dish it out, but can't take it back. I had a 20 stone lump screaming abuse at me every 2 minutes and on around 80 minutes, I'd had enough. During a break in play, I walked over and said;

"Listen, you fat ****, if you're prepared to give up the beer, eat less pies, lose 8 stone, forget your lie in and run around a dog shit ridden pitch chasing after your own kid for 80 minutes, then fair enough, otherwise, shut the **** up."

To be fair he did apologise after the final whistle. That was followed by 2 matches where I sent off a lad for calling me a "Cheating c***". His dad flipped as did his coach. Even after I explained why he had been sent off, I was accused of ruining the match.

And they wonder why parents are now having to referee matches because there are no referees left. The only guys prepared to do it now seem to be 15 year old kids and the abuse and threats of violence Ive seen some of them receive beggars belief.

Thanks for your support Bob.

Given another 10 minutes, I'd have reacted the same way you did, but I managed to control myself to the end. After which, as I blew for full time, my lad was punched in the face.

This is the same son that's recently qualified as a referee. From what he's seen today, I'm not sure he's that keen on carrying on. Again, very sad.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I'm absolutely livid about the abuse I got today from all areas, as I refereed my son's under 15 football match today. It was absolutely incredible.

As our team's reach the U15 and U16 age groups, very few qualified referees want to referee the matches. Consequently, it falls on coaches or parents to step in and volunteer to referee. There's no qualified official in attendence. As a result, everyone seems to see this as an opportunity to give abuse.

It's bad enough people abusing qualified referees, however you could argue that they knew what they were signing up for, but when people abuse coaches or parents who step in, its totally unacceptable.

Its a very sad indictment for football and the world we live in, that we struggle to get qualified referees to referee kids football. Very sad.

You should have left your white cane behind then.

Just a little joke, AH - the fans (parents) seem to think you are blind by yelling at you - having a white cane would prove their point. Sorry - we've all been there if we have reffed or managed youth teams - I just don't take it very seriously. It says more about them than you.

[TANGODANCER]

My career as a linesman, shortly after my football days came to an end due to a smashed knee, and done like you as a favour, lasted exactly half a game. My early retirement involved a flag, a loud-mouthed abusive goalkeeper for the opposition( adults these, not kids) and a red light. To avoid being responsible for a full-scale brawl I left the floor. No wonder nobody wants an officials job.

[Always hopeful]

I'm absolutely livid about the abuse I got today from all areas, as I refereed my son's under 15 football match today. It was absolutely incredible.

As our team's reach the U15 and U16 age groups, very few qualified referees want to referee the matches. Consequently, it falls on coaches or parents to step in and volunteer to referee. There's no qualified official in attendence. As a result, everyone seems to see this as an opportunity to give abuse.

It's bad enough people abusing qualified referees, however you could argue that they knew what they were signing up for, but when people abuse coaches or parents who step in, its totally unacceptable.

Its a very sad indictment for football and the world we live in, that we struggle to get qualified referees to referee kids football. Very sad.

You should have left your white cane behind then.

Just a little joke, AH - the fans (parents) seem to think you are blind by yelling at you - having a white cane would prove their point. Sorry - we've all been there if we have reffed or managed youth teams - I just don't take it very seriously. It says more about them than you.

That says more about you than me.

[Bijou Bob]

I only did the refs course in the first place as I was reffing every week as a parent and after one match with a notorious team from the Oldhams estate called Rooftec, an under 9's match where punches were thrown, my lad got stamped on and the language was utterly appalling (and that was just the kids - they later got banned from several age groups and disbanded as a club), I thought the only way forward was to put up or shut up and do the course so the kids had a 'proper ref'.

Most of the time it wasn't the kids, it was the parents taking out their frustrations from the week on other kids and very often their own. Football matches for 10 year olds where parents are shouting "F***in do 'im" and "Don't be so f****in soft, next time take the little f****er out" aren't a nice place to be.

[Always hopeful]

I only did the refs course in the first place as I was reffing every week as a parent and after one match with a notorious team from the Oldhams estate called Rooftec, an under 9's match where punches were thrown, my lad got stamped on and the language was utterly appalling (and that was just the kids - they later got banned from several age groups and disbanded as a club), I thought the only way forward was to put up or shut up and do the course so the kids had a 'proper ref'.

Most of the time it wasn't the kids, it was the parents taking out their frustrations from the week on other kids and very often their own. Football matches for 10 year olds where parents are shouting "F***in do 'im" and "Don't be so f****in soft, next time take the little f****er out" aren't a nice place to be.

I admire your approach. Becoming a qualified ref is something I've considered, but never taken the plunge. From what you describe, I feel like I'm living in a quiet backwater where our games are quite tame.

What's disappointing about today is that it wasn't the parents that were giving me most grief, it was the players. What's frustrating is how to control this unruly mob, particularly if I can't get any support from their coach.

Its very tempting to (simply) abandon the game. In theory this doesn't do anyone any good, but perhaps that's whats required, to demonstrate to "the league", that things are out of control and need addressing.

[Bijou Bob]

If it gets that bad again, I would be tempted to speak to both coaches, say that you are not prepared to carry on with the match and make an official report to the league. You probably won't be the only club to have complained.

I've approached coaches before I was qualified and asked that they take a player off because of their conduct. It never went down well, but at some stage you have to take a stand. I should have known what I was letting myself in for when my third ever game ended in a brawl involving 22 players, parents and managers, from which one manager ended up convicted of assaulting a 15 year old and as a result lost his job working with children, being a convicted schedule one offender.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I'm absolutely livid about the abuse I got today from all areas, as I refereed my son's under 15 football match today. It was absolutely incredible.

As our team's reach the U15 and U16 age groups, very few qualified referees want to referee the matches. Consequently, it falls on coaches or parents to step in and volunteer to referee. There's no qualified official in attendence. As a result, everyone seems to see this as an opportunity to give abuse.

It's bad enough people abusing qualified referees, however you could argue that they knew what they were signing up for, but when people abuse coaches or parents who step in, its totally unacceptable.

Its a very sad indictment for football and the world we live in, that we struggle to get qualified referees to referee kids football. Very sad.

You should have left your white cane behind then.

Just a little joke, AH - the fans (parents) seem to think you are blind by yelling at you - having a white cane would prove their point. Sorry - we've all been there if we have reffed or managed youth teams - I just don't take it very seriously. It says more about them than you.

That says more about you than me.

Well, that's from the perspective of reffing or coaching for over 25 years - I may have taken it more seriously at first (can't really remember) but I don't let it upset me when I've left the arena or the field. My son was reffing a novice B hockey game (this is 8 year-olds who can't skate). Two of them were moving on a collision course nowhere near the puck and unable to turn. So they bumped into each other and both fell down. One father became so enraged that no penalty was called he threw a chair on the ice. Sometimes the police are called to protect officials in hockey because parents take it to seriously. Try not to let them get to you is all I can suggest.

[General Mannerheim]

Takes a certain kind of person to be a referee imo, same type who become traffic wardens or club doormen. You know you're gonna be subjected to vicious abuse, but often they thrive on it.

[bobo the clown]

Scrotes. Failed children, from failed families, with failed parents. They are doing this, using this attitude, vile language, threatening & posing infront of their parents, who instead of admonishing actually defend, even praise it.

There will be a cycle of abuse & you can only imagine their home lives & what they will go on to do while failing to bring up their kids in due course.

AND in your case AH these little b'stards will be Welsh to boot. It really doesn't bare thinking about.