Watford away

[Gail Platz]

There is a point where you really have to start producing results. We are probably at that point in terms of needing to pull away from the bottom three.

Amazing. Really is.

We should have been picking up results months ago yet you're still at a somewhat doubt and think we're still all fine and dandy pissing away points in order to fine tune tactics and get a fecking 'strategy' in place?

[Gail Platz]

GtE. I think you meant moronic, not ironic

Go on then, explain how the two are linked, I'm intrigued.

Tell you what, I'm off out now so I'll give you and your pal some time to mull over an answer. I look forward to it.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

GtE. I think you meant moronic, not ironic

Go on then, explain how the two are linked, I'm intrigued.

Tell you what, I'm off out now so I'll give you and your pal some time to mull over an answer. I look forward to it.

You are spouting moronic shite as usual. That clear enough for you?

[89bwfc89]

GtE think I was a couple of rows behind you. I agree, first half we completely dominated, the problem is, as soon as the other team score, heads go down.

Talk of protests and Dougie out are seriously mad. Yes the results aren't improving much but by god, the football is. This team need one good win, get the confidence levels up and away we go. Perhaps no promotion this season but I don't think that's Dougie's doing.

Eagles had his family sat in the crowd again yesterday, he mustn't realise he's getting slated by the fans, it can't be nice for them to sit there and listen to it.

[Annoyed Grunt]

GtE think I was a couple of rows behind you. I agree, first half we completely dominated, the problem is, as soon as the other team score, heads go down.

Talk of protests and Dougie out are seriously mad. Yes the results aren't improving much but by god, the football is. This team need one good win, get the confidence levels up and away we go. Perhaps no promotion this season but I don't think that's Dougie's doing.

Eagles had his family sat in the crowd again yesterday, he mustn't realise he's getting slated by the fans, it can't be nice for them to sit there and listen to it.

Wouldn't the "one good win" be the one against Sunderland?

[Gary the Enfield]

GtE think I was a couple of rows behind you. I agree, first half we completely dominated, the problem is, as soon as the other team score, heads go down.

Talk of protests and Dougie out are seriously mad. Yes the results aren't improving much but by god, the football is. This team need one good win, get the confidence levels up and away we go. Perhaps no promotion this season but I don't think that's Dougie's doing.

Eagles had his family sat in the crowd again yesterday, he mustn't realise he's getting slated by the fans, it can't be nice for them to sit there and listen to it.

Wouldn't the "one good win" be the one against Sunderland?

How many points did we get for that?

[Annoyed Grunt]

GtE think I was a couple of rows behind you. I agree, first half we completely dominated, the problem is, as soon as the other team score, heads go down.

Talk of protests and Dougie out are seriously mad. Yes the results aren't improving much but by god, the football is. This team need one good win, get the confidence levels up and away we go. Perhaps no promotion this season but I don't think that's Dougie's doing.

Eagles had his family sat in the crowd again yesterday, he mustn't realise he's getting slated by the fans, it can't be nice for them to sit there and listen to it.

Wouldn't the "one good win" be the one against Sunderland?

How many points did we get for that?

A big fat zero......but, that should've given them confidence..

[Gary the Enfield]

GtE think I was a couple of rows behind you. I agree, first half we completely dominated, the problem is, as soon as the other team score, heads go down.

Talk of protests and Dougie out are seriously mad. Yes the results aren't improving much but by god, the football is. This team need one good win, get the confidence levels up and away we go. Perhaps no promotion this season but I don't think that's Dougie's doing.

Eagles had his family sat in the crowd again yesterday, he mustn't realise he's getting slated by the fans, it can't be nice for them to sit there and listen to it.

Wouldn't the "one good win" be the one against Sunderland?

How many points did we get for that?

A big fat zero......but, that should've given them confidence..

There wasn't that much confidence lacking yesterday. As I said on another day we should have had a draw, we COULD have had a win.

[Annoyed Grunt]

My post was in response to 89's "one good win, confidence up, away we go". That should've been the game to catapult us, it hasn't....

[89bwfc89]

I think it did, then we played Everton, lost a game we should have at least drawn = heads down again. We played with confidence yesterday until their goal went in.

[Worthy4England]

I want Freedman to succeed but the faith people have put in him is beyond me. People are acting like there is an inevitable great run around the corner, but there is absolutely no evidence of that.

Agreed, we all want him to do well but the people sticking up for him only have two reasons:

1. He got Palace to a semi final of a cup.... urm, so did Coyle with Bolton
2. He moved Palace up a few positions in the league.... urm, Coyle got Burnley promoted

Now this is not me sticking up for Coyle in any shape or form, what I'm saying is that Coyle's done more as a manager than Freedman has, and all these Freedman bummers can't see that.

There's a breed of manager we need at this club to get out of this mess, and one of that kind is currently managing West Ham at the moment.

I am "sticking up for him" for neither of the "only two reasons" you mention above.

1. He's never been relegated (yet)..... urm, can't say that about Coyle with Bolton.
2. We had (and still have) some right shite in the squad he was left....urm can say that had a lot to do with Coyle.

We were absolutely right to sack Coyle - only about a year too late - only a Coyle bummer would be unable to see that.

I'm not convinced we were right to appoint Freedman, but I think he has another month to show that he has a clue - he could now change half his team, with his signings. I agree that we're well in the shit and it needs to turn around sharpish. We've still improved marginally over what we were left with, problem is that the teams around us have improved faster than us. I wouldn't pull the trigger just yet though.

I wouldn't disagree that I'd have much preferred someone like the manager that's currently managing West Ham to get us out of this mess.

[thebish]

I'm clearly referring to the constant oscillation among fans between "woohoo, we're great, Dougie's great, we're going to push for the play-offs" after a win and "we're shit, we're doomed, we're going down and the club's going into administration" after a defeat.

I'll have to take your word for it. I can't remember that far back.

[thebish]

I went yesterday and thought over all we were bloody unlucky. Best I've seen us play in a long while. We had an obvious shape, we were organised (the starting back four going over organisation drills during the warm up was a welcome sight). The players were all working their nuts off (Spearing and Pratley in particular) and you could see what we were trying to do. I thought Vela struggled, Chris Eagles looked knackered from the start, and Ream tries hard and looks a whole lot better, but is still a liability at times.

In my opinion we were a stronger centre back and an inform Eagles away from winning that game.

I like Freedman, I like what he's doing with our club and though we lost, feel a hell of a lot more positive about the direction the club is going.

Aye, a while since I've been to a game and you forget how differently it seems to folk who only go off the result and limited commentary.

aye - one person who went says Vela struggled, another says he was OK and another says he was totally anonymous... it can look very different to those who go too!

[thebish]

We just need to carry on doing what we're doing.

No. We need to do the opposite of what we're doing.

what exactly is the opposite of what we're doing in terms of how we play/pick the team/shape tactics?

can you help us understand exactly what it is you are calling for?

[Prufrock]

I went yesterday and thought over all we were bloody unlucky. Best I've seen us play in a long while. We had an obvious shape, we were organised (the starting back four going over organisation drills during the warm up was a welcome sight). The players were all working their nuts off (Spearing and Pratley in particular) and you could see what we were trying to do. I thought Vela struggled, Chris Eagles looked knackered from the start, and Ream tries hard and looks a whole lot better, but is still a liability at times.

In my opinion we were a stronger centre back and an inform Eagles away from winning that game.

I like Freedman, I like what he's doing with our club and though we lost, feel a hell of a lot more positive about the direction the club is going.

Aye, a while since I've been to a game and you forget how differently it seems to folk who only go off the result and limited commentary.

aye - one person who went says Vela struggled, another says he was OK and another says he was totally anonymous... it can look very
different to those who go too!

I'm not sure 'struggled' 'OK' and 'totally anonymous' are in fact 'very different', but OK.

Everyone I've seen who went has said we played very well and didn't deserve to lose. All of the 'we're shit it's awful we might get relegated' has come from those who didn't. You don't need to have seen the game to know that our current form is worrying, and that results aren't good enough, but when it comes to discussing the game itself as a standalone, obviously those who actually saw it are more likely to be a reliable source. We played well, but got a poor result. Obviously, we all want good results, but playing well is more likely to bring them in the long-term.

[thebish]

I went to the game yesterday too. Sat three rows from the front, though and vision was limited, but.....

The first half hour we were brilliant. Busy, harrassing, winning the ball. Knight was clearing well and Ream and Alonso were having a great time covering the left. Ricketts looked shaky and, apart from a couple of darting runs just played the simple stuff. Spearing, Pratley and Lee were everywhere in midfield. Sordell was a real handful.

Second half we just lost that sharpness. The closing down stopped and we defended deeper and deeper. Their second goal was inevitable given the way they pushed. The triple substitution could well have worked if he (Dougie) had done it 10 minutes earlier. Have to say the last 10 minutes (including the 5 minutes extra time) we were getting back on top. Disappointed not to have gotten a draw and we could have had a win. Not much difference between us and them.

We played just as well as we did against Palace. Someone soon is going to get a bloody good shoe-ing.

No panic here.

p.s. Some of our 'YOOF' seem to think we're suddenly Roma Ultras if the flair that was let off at the start of the game is anything to go by. Well done. Not.

if we're fitter (genuine question) - why do you think the closing down stopped in the second half and the sharpness went?

[thebish]

I think thebish is right

so do I! I agree with BWFCi!

[thebish]

I think it did, then we played Everton, lost a game we should have at least drawn = heads down again. We played with confidence yesterday until their goal went in.

yeah - indeed - which is why I think we need more than one good win - we need a string of back-to-back wins to get an lasting confidence back... the one good win against Blunderland didn't produce a paradigm-shift in the confidence-scape...

[William the White]

We are sadly now more like a Todd team than an Allardyce one and that is very scary. I hope that Dougie can change this. At least, and I do mean least, he recognises the issues instead of seemingly being unaware.

Wish we were.

We might win this division with 98 points and 100 goals...

[Devon White]

We were unlucky yesterday, we deserved at least a point. Best I have seen us play for over a year, chung lee, alonso and pratley were very good, sordell and eagles were very poor (lazy) with new players coming in and players coming back after injury they will regret yesterday. The atmosphere at away matches is superb, I suggest anyone who's not been to one this season gives it a go, the fans are excellent. Pity watford didnt want to sell us some booze.