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Re: Derby away

Post by Armchair Wanderer » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:44 pm

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Re: Derby away

Post by norm the jedi » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:44 pm

SmokinFrazier wrote:
Mar wrote:
CrazyHorse wrote:Sounds like we're still going for it though. Come on...
Trouble is we weren't exactly going for it when we had Craig Davies and David N'Gog on. The subs in the last few matches meant that Bolton went on the attack. If we would've started with the impetus of attacking maybe we would've seen this match out already. It just seems that we were overly happy to sit on the 1-0.
It was the same story in the past couple of games, with us wanting to sit on a clean sheet but when we attack, we are far better. Why not attack more and play to our strengths?

Freedman has got it wrong, yet again.
So on saturday we should have started N'gog and Cravies?
Which we did tonight ... But being Tuesdaynthat's the wrong decision..


Monday morning quarterback much ?
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Re: Derby away

Post by SmokinFrazier » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:45 pm

norm the jedi wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote:
Mar wrote:
CrazyHorse wrote:Sounds like we're still going for it though. Come on...
Trouble is we weren't exactly going for it when we had Craig Davies and David N'Gog on. The subs in the last few matches meant that Bolton went on the attack. If we would've started with the impetus of attacking maybe we would've seen this match out already. It just seems that we were overly happy to sit on the 1-0.
It was the same story in the past couple of games, with us wanting to sit on a clean sheet but when we attack, we are far better. Why not attack more and play to our strengths?

Freedman has got it wrong, yet again.
So on saturday we should have started N'gog and Cravies?
Which we did tonight ... But being Tuesdaynthat's the wrong decision..


Monday morning quarterback much ?
What score was it when Freedman started tinkering?

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Re: Derby away

Post by Mar » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:46 pm

Bijou Bob wrote:Before kick off I'd have taken a point away from home. Shame we conceeded a soft goal, but its still a valuable point. We need three on Saturday now.
Hard to remember the last time we didn't concede a soft goal.


I'm sure Dougie will come out and say that we're not a million miles away from where we need to be and to some extent I agree but you can see the lethargy and the lack of effort. There's no passion in what the club is trying to achieve and i'm sure that carries through to the rest of the team. Dougie's been brought in to change that and hopefully he will change that but at the minute there's a lot of players just biding their time till they are out of the club (Mark Davies? / N'Gog? / SKD? / LCY? / Ricketts? / Knight?, etc.), I really doubt that any of our old guard are really believing in trying to get promoted.

There's effort there and theres willingness but its in fits and starts and not everyone is doing it all at the same time. We need a handful of players that are firmly in the belief that we can do well and the sad thing is I just don't see it.

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Re: Derby away

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:47 pm

SmokinFrazier wrote:
norm the jedi wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote:
Mar wrote:
CrazyHorse wrote:Sounds like we're still going for it though. Come on...
Trouble is we weren't exactly going for it when we had Craig Davies and David N'Gog on. The subs in the last few matches meant that Bolton went on the attack. If we would've started with the impetus of attacking maybe we would've seen this match out already. It just seems that we were overly happy to sit on the 1-0.
It was the same story in the past couple of games, with us wanting to sit on a clean sheet but when we attack, we are far better. Why not attack more and play to our strengths?

Freedman has got it wrong, yet again.
So on saturday we should have started N'gog and Cravies?
Which we did tonight ... But being Tuesdaynthat's the wrong decision..


Monday morning quarterback much ?
What score was it when Freedman started tinkering?
Have you seen the game?

Cos you seem to see an awful lot of tactical mistakes that the commentary team saw very differently.

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Re: Derby away

Post by Bijou Bob » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:47 pm

The loss of two points was down to an individual error by one player who was on the park due to a suspension. Sounded to me like we played well, kept it tight and did everything right tactically. It's coming good slowly but surely. sadly that's not half quick enough for some on here with an agenda to slaughter anyone and everything every time we don't get three points.
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Re: Derby away

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:49 pm

Bijou Bob wrote:The loss of two points was down to an individual error by one player who was on the park due to a suspension. Sounded to me like we played well, kept it tight and did everything right tactically. It's coming good slowly but surely. sadly that's not half quick enough for some on here with an agenda to slaughter anyone and everything every time we don't get three points.
Agreed and it tallies with what Phil Brown says.

We have to stay up this season and this is no forgone conclusion the way luck is going against us.

But if we do that I think we will have a much better season next time.

As an aside Wolves are now in the bottom three. :shock:

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Re: Derby away

Post by Jugs » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:50 pm

Bijou Bob wrote:Before kick off I'd have taken a point away from home. Shame we conceeded a soft goal, but its still a valuable point. We need three on Saturday now.
To be fair, Derby away seemed an easier place to get three points than Hull at home.

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Re: Derby away

Post by wanderers_on_tour » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:50 pm

Bijou Bob wrote:The loss of two points was down to an individual error by one player who was on the park due to a suspension. Sounded to me like we played well, kept it tight and did everything right tactically. It's coming good slowly but surely. sadly that's not half quick enough for some on here with an agenda to slaughter anyone and everything every time we don't get three points.
Spot on. It's annoying, frustrating and maybe we need to show a bit more ambition at times, maybe, but the manager can only do so much. Individual mistakes are...well individual.

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Re: Derby away

Post by officer_dibble » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:50 pm

Fair enough. prefer him off the bench i suppose; 'impact' sub.

Cheers for commentary. no chance of getting any yoooorkshire.

We need some wins to hit 50 points :-/

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Re: Derby away

Post by officer_dibble » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:51 pm

As an aside is ricketts out of contract this summer?

He's been pish this season...

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Re: Derby away

Post by SmokinFrazier » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:53 pm

Mar wrote:
Bijou Bob wrote:Before kick off I'd have taken a point away from home. Shame we conceeded a soft goal, but its still a valuable point. We need three on Saturday now.
Hard to remember the last time we didn't concede a soft goal.


I'm sure Dougie will come out and say that we're not a million miles away from where we need to be and to some extent I agree but you can see the lethargy and the lack of effort. There's no passion in what the club is trying to achieve and i'm sure that carries through to the rest of the team. Dougie's been brought in to change that and hopefully he will change that but at the minute there's a lot of players just biding their time till they are out of the club (Mark Davies? / N'Gog? / SKD? / LCY? / Ricketts? / Knight?, etc.), I really doubt that any of our old guard are really believing in trying to get promoted.

There's effort there and theres willingness but its in fits and starts and not everyone is doing it all at the same time. We need a handful of players that are firmly in the belief that we can do well and the sad thing is I just don't see it.
This is the job of a manager though, isn't it? He's got to manage them, on and off the pitch, and make sure he gets the best out of them. Harry Redknapp isn't a great tactician but he's been a successful manager because he gives players belief, gets them working well together and injects enthusiasm. If that isn't there, you could question the players, but the manager needs to help the players too.

You can't fault the manager for individual mistakes, and without one, we'd have won, but Derby were there for the taking, due to their injury woes.

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Re: Derby away

Post by TANGODANCER » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:54 pm

Two tough away games (did we really expect them to lie down and hand them to us on a plate?) and lost neither. It isn't world's end just yet. Three home games from th next four will probably decide where we're going. I'll stay optimistic.
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Re: Derby away

Post by norm the jedi » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:54 pm

SmokinFrazier wrote:
norm the jedi wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote:
Mar wrote:
CrazyHorse wrote:Sounds like we're still going for it though. Come on...
Trouble is we weren't exactly going for it when we had Craig Davies and David N'Gog on. The subs in the last few matches meant that Bolton went on the attack. If we would've started with the impetus of attacking maybe we would've seen this match out already. It just seems that we were overly happy to sit on the 1-0.
It was the same story in the past couple of games, with us wanting to sit on a clean sheet but when we attack, we are far better. Why not attack more and play to our strengths?

Freedman has got it wrong, yet again.
So on saturday we should have started N'gog and Cravies?
Which we did tonight ... But being Tuesdaynthat's the wrong decision..


Monday morning quarterback much ?
What score was it when Freedman started tinkering?
First sub was 18 minutes after our previous shot on target...(BBC minute by minute) 64 mins about the time you usually freshen it up... Guess he should have left em on and when we conceded you could blame him for not making subs... 20"20 hindsight is a piece of piss..
Away point.. Onward and upward...
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Re: Derby away

Post by seanworth » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:55 pm

Thanks for the updates TD.

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Re: Derby away

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:56 pm

Derby have only lost twice at home this season.

With the injuries and given how we played, it is two points dropped.

However, as Phil Brown says we are establishing a solid base and had we been more clinical on the break when we had chances to kill it off we'd have won..

I don't think we are far away but equally this squad has never got there so still some changes are required.

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Re: Derby away

Post by norm the jedi » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:58 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:Derby have only lost twice at home this season.

With the injuries and given how we played, it is two points dropped.

However, as Phil Brown says we are establishing a solid base and had we been more clinical on the break when we had chances to kill it off we'd have won..

I don't think we are far away but equally this squad has never got there so still some changes are required.
Fairy snuff, work in progress.. The shots count looks like a battering but we seem more solid and organised... Perhaps a Wheater and a fit Holden / vela away from summat half decent?
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Re: Derby away

Post by James B » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:59 pm

wonder where we'd be in the table if we'd held on to half of the winning positions we've had this season. can't be far off top 6 i'd say.

not sure if it's a mentality thing or just plain bad defensive play but it's frustrating.

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Re: Derby away

Post by norm the jedi » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:00 pm

James B wrote:wonder where we'd be in the table if we'd held on to half of the winning positions we've had this season. can't be far off top 6 i'd say.

not sure if it's a mentality thing or just plain bad defensive play but it's frustrating.
26 points apparently?
2 points behind Cardiff?
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Re: Derby away

Post by Bijou Bob » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:01 pm

Aye Frasier, Harry is a great tactician and manager. Remind me again where QPR are in the Premiership?? Dougie played it as he saw it tonight and personally, I wouldn't have done anything different, with or without hindsight.
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