The Politics Thread

[mrkint]

Maybe he should consider asking pertinent questions rather than throwing £450 away on a potshot like they do every week.

(I know it's not as simple as that but w/e)

Not much point in that, because you don't get pertinent answers.

Whole thing from all concerned is a massive embarrassment really.

Speak like normal folk and stop all that embarrassing gufawwing and hear hear bollocks.

It's about time they behaved like normal professionals and abandoned all the public school toffee nosed debating characatures.

Speak like you would if you were working in a multi-national business. That might be a start.

Yeah I know it's all pomp and show. But it just annoys me. Without wanting to sound all little-Englander it's grating when the Commons preaches austerity yet seems to use its resources so inefficiently (in fact, I might check out the Commons accounts this afternoon...)

Your last sentence does spring a nice point, though. It would be interesting to compare the industry careers of British MPs in the 21st century to those, say, pre-Blair.

Parliament has gone to the dogs. The level of political debate in the UK is rather embarrassing. Though I guess that is the inevitable endgame of democracy.

[mrkint]

Maybe he should consider asking pertinent questions rather than throwing £450 away on a potshot like they do every week.

(I know it's not as simple as that but w/e)

if he does - then the PM wouldn't answer... the whole shebang (despite successive PMs and opposition leaders telling us that they are going to treat it seriously) is just a set-piece bit of ya-boo politics and serves no constructive purpose at all... If Milliband didn't join in the ya-booery - then the papers would say he was weak and ineffective...

in order to get reported he simply has to join in the pointless one-liner buffoonery.

he has 5(?) questions... I have often wondered how it would sound if he calmly and quietly simply asked the same serious question 5 times (paxmanesque-stylee).... Cameron evading it 5 times would be much more powerful than two buffoons pretending to be stand-up comedians...

Interestingly, Cameron did something similar when he faced Gordon Brown at PMQs (though it was more asking for a retraction...). It showed a sterner side to Cameron that hadn't been seen previous.

I do wonder though whether rejecting the old-boy guffawing and that would be more effective though...if politicians and parties seem so keen on differentiating themselves then surely that would be a pretty simple first step to make.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Speak like you would if you were working in a multi-national business. That might be a start.

You've got to be joking, going forward we need to re-evaluate utilising a sustainable ethos, but we could possibly future proof this all in the wash-up.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

^ that sort of bollox you mean?

[mrkint]

Looks like someone didn't learn his lesson

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21796157" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Bruce Rioja]

Looks like someone didn't learn his lesson

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21796157" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wondered if it was him again when I heard about this this morning. OK, one of you will have to explain this to me - if he resigned, what was he doing there?

[Prufrock]

He resigned from the Labour Party, not as an MP. Said he won't stand again next time around though.

[thebish]

OK - summat I have absolutely no real understanding of at all..

the whole regulation of the press debate.

can someone spell out for me in noddy terms what Cameron wants and what the new lib/lab pact wants and how they differ and what the implications of each are?

if I understand it - then i have a chance of getting cross about it one way or another!!

[mrkint]

OK - summat I have absolutely no real understanding of at all..

the whole regulation of the press debate.

can someone spell out for me in noddy terms what Cameron wants and what the new lib/lab pact wants and how they differ and what the implications of each are?

if I understand it - then i have a chance of getting cross about it one way or another!!

from what i can basically surmise...

lib dems/labour want statutory-backed regulator set up, saying self regulation has been proved shite etc..

conservatives argue that policing the press with a legslative-backed body could seriously have an impact on freedom of speech...

at least i think so, anyway.

[thebish]

OK - summat I have absolutely no real understanding of at all..

the whole regulation of the press debate.

can someone spell out for me in noddy terms what Cameron wants and what the new lib/lab pact wants and how they differ and what the implications of each are?

if I understand it - then i have a chance of getting cross about it one way or another!!

from what i can basically surmise...

lib dems/labour want statutory-backed regulator set up, saying self regulation has been proved shite etc..

conservatives argue that policing the press with a legslative-backed body could seriously have an impact on freedom of speech...

at least i think so, anyway.

yeah - i kind of get those headline broad brush-strokes - but want a little more detail so I can judge whether Cameron is right that the lib/lab plan will ACTUALLY curb press freedom to an extent that any of us should worry about - or whether he is just in the pocket of the press barons, fearing what they might do to him in the run-up to the next election...

[mrkint]

Basically, you want to find anything to stop you from supporting Cameron, then?

I'm none to sure. We will probably find out more on that detail when the amendments are published later.

[thebish]

Basically, you want to find anything to stop you from supporting Cameron, then?

I'm none to sure. We will probably find out more on that detail when the amendments are published later.

well - no - I'd like to be angry with cameron (it makes the world seem righht!) - but am prepared to be angry with milliband if it turns out he's the cock this time! i don't need anything new to stop me supporting cameron.

i just think that it's possible that the scary noises we are hearing about the freedom of the press being set back 350 years and becoming like communist china are a ruse (scare tactic) from the press who don't want to be regulated... but I don't want to sound off about that if it is in fact true - and the freedom of the press to investigate real scandal and corruption in society is fatally wounded... cos then I'd look like a dick! (I need no further help to look like a dick, I know, but I have my pride!!)

[mrkint]

So here are the 'rival' charters - f*ck me it sounds like some sort of West Side Story shite....

Cameron's one - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... h_2013.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Lib/Lab one - http://www.libdems.org.uk/siteFiles/res ... harter.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

EU: robbing bastards.

[thebish]

So here are the 'rival' charters - f*ck me it sounds like some sort of West Side Story shite....

Cameron's one - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... h_2013.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Lib/Lab one - http://www.libdems.org.uk/siteFiles/res ... harter.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

now i'm confused!! they seem to be saying they all agree - but it turns out they don't agree about what they have agreed!

[as]

So here are the 'rival' charters - f*ck me it sounds like some sort of West Side Story shite....

Cameron's one - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... h_2013.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Lib/Lab one - http://www.libdems.org.uk/siteFiles/res ... harter.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

now i'm confused!! they seem to be saying they all agree - but it turns out they don't agree about what they have agreed!

And that's politics - all 3 parties were in Murdoch's pocket and now they're all striving to look like they're doing it 'for the people'. Egghead won't get many difficulties in PMQ's about the whole sorry episode at least.

It's good fun seeing Cameron sink even further in public opinion, the bloke couldn't beat a broken Gordon Brown in the last election, so him and Gideon will have to survive on their parents millions without telling the peasants what to do anymore.

[bwfcdan94]

Very serious question here but do some of you even trust the Labour party considering they have put us in a worse mess then we ever have been before.
I am a hugely big fan of Conservatives either BTW. The worst thing is at the age of 18 I already do not have faith in any of the major parties or even the minor ones in this country now if and 18 year old who has not voted for the first time yet thinks that then this country has a problem. BTW I know more about politics then most of the other lads at my school so it is not even like I am to stupid to not know what these parties are doing wrong.

[thebish]

Very serious question here but do some of you even trust the Labour party considering they have put us in a worse mess then we ever have been before.
I am a hugely big fan of Conservatives either BTW. The worst thing is at the age of 18 I already do not have faith in any of the major parties or even the minor ones in this country now if and 18 year old who has not voted for the first time yet thinks that then this country has a problem. BTW I know more about politics then most of the other lads at my school so it is not even like I am to stupid to not know what these parties are doing wrong.

just vote labour, sonny - there's a lad...

[Prufrock]

No, no, no! None of this partisan bollocks! It's not teams. Vote for whoever is best!

[mrkint]

No, no, no! None of this partisan bollocks! It's not teams. Vote for whoever is best!

Sorry, pal. Welcome to 21st century democracy.