Davo - Sheff Wednesday

[TANGODANCER]

trying to convince us that you have offered no personal opinion about Kevin Davies and it is all just passing on the opinions of others.... i think you'll have a hard time making that one stand up in court!

Ah, "us" again hey Bish?

aye... the general rule: PM's are for private 1-1 conversations - forum posts are to be read by everyone...

hope this helps!

Oh, it does. Also handy when you want to make it appear your own opinion is shared by everyone else. Hope that also helps.

[TANGODANCER]

so - when do we start the TW SKD statue fund??

No need. They used him as a body double for Nat's statue, and you can't get better than that.

[thebish]

so - when do we start the TW SKD statue fund??

No need. They used him as a body double for Nat's statue, and you can't get better than that.

Tango in no statue for KD shocker!!!

[Peter Thompson]

So PT, c'mon, what in your opinion qualifies someone as a club legend and (other than Nat, who's a given) give us some examples of who you'd choose as a BWFC legend?

In my time watching the whites I've seen some very good players in a Bolton shirt such as Frank Worthington, Eider, JJ, Youri, Anelka etc to name a few....but personally I wouldn't class any as being a 'legend', great players Yes but legends No - Nat is probably the only one.

Kevin Davies IMO has been a good decent player for BWFC who has given his all for the club (and brave as well), he's given us some good memories and he will be remembered for a long time - but for me like the others he's not a legend.

Others are perfectly entitled to say that he is, and that's up to them but not everyone will and has to agree....

[YtarmyYtarmy]

Jesus. Can't we all just agree that Davo has been a club legend and leave it at that?

No because he's not been a club legend....

He's been a decent player who has had a good career but is now clearly past it....he has been paid millions by BWFC and is a multi millionaire & made for life, but he's been average at best for the past 2 years, he's too slow, lacks movement & mobility and hasn't scored enough goals - time to move on, well done DF....

TBH Coyle should have done it 2 years ago (IMO)

You've written some bollocks on here over the years, but oh my...

Look up the definition of 'legend' or 'a legend' and then tell me that you think Kevin Davies is one and then jog on....

He's got a point, so according to this no one is a legend ???

leg·end
[lej-uhnd] Show IPA

noun
1. a nonhistorical or unverifiable story handed down by tradition from earlier times and popularly accepted as historical.
2. the body of stories of this kind, especially as they relate to a particular people, group, or clan: the winning of the West in American legend.
3. an inscription, especially on a coat of arms, on a monument, under a picture, or the like.
4. a table on a map, chart, or the like, listing and explaining the symbols used. Compare key1 ( def 8 ) .
5. Numismatics , inscription ( def 8 ) .

[Peter Thompson]

He's got a point, so according to this no one is a legend ???

Nat Lofthouse won trophies for BWFC, scored 30 international goals in 33 games for England, for Bolton his goals ratio was something like 1:2 - 200 goals in 400 plus appearances and deserves legendary status and is rightly a 'BWFC legend'

Now how does KD compare ?

[YtarmyYtarmy]

He's got a point, so according to this no one is a legend ???

Nat Lofthouse won trophies for BWFC, scored 30 international goals in 33 games for England, for Bolton his goals ratio was something like 1:2 - 200 goals in 400 plus appearances and deserves legendary status and is rightly a 'BWFC legend'

Now how does KD compare ?

Hang on a minute, all i did was what you said ? ""Look up the definition of 'legend' or 'a legend' and then tell me that you think Kevin Davies is one and then jog on....!"

And as you can clearly see from the definition no one fits this as point 1 states

1. a nonhistorical or unverifiable story handed down by tradition from earlier times and popularly accepted as historical.

The major point being NONHISTORICAL OR UNVERIFIABLE STORY, all that happened was fact and verified

Goal posts well and truely moved to suite your argument !!!!

[Always hopeful]

He's got a point, so according to this no one is a legend ???

Nat Lofthouse won trophies for BWFC, scored 30 international goals in 33 games for England, for Bolton his goals ratio was something like 1:2 - 200 goals in 400 plus appearances and deserves legendary status and is rightly a 'BWFC legend'

Now how does KD compare ?

For me, it goes beyond that. You've only mentioned Nat's playing career. You've not mentioned the rest of the incredible things he did for the club for the whole of his life. Nobody will ever trump his achievements. He's deservedly classed as a BWFC legend.

Trying to compare anyone in BWFC's history to Nat, is unfair.

I don't think anyone will deny that KD's been an asset over the years, or that he's now past his best. Some say he deserves legend status. Let's move on and reflect on the positive things he's done over the years. Thank him for that and wish him all the best for the future.

[Burnden Paddock]

Jesus. Can't we all just agree that Davo has been a club legend and leave it at that?

No because he's not been a club legend....

He's been a decent player who has had a good career but is now clearly past it....he has been paid millions by BWFC and is a multi millionaire & made for life, but he's been average at best for the past 2 years, he's too slow, lacks movement & mobility and hasn't scored enough goals - time to move on, well done DF....

TBH Coyle should have done it 2 years ago (IMO)

I respectfully disagree on the first point and I dare say that we'll never agree, as it's a matter of personal opinion.

As for the rest, maybe he should have been moved on, but if someone offered you £35k a week even if you're not up to the job, i'm guessing you'd be turning it down? Thought not.

Nobody comes out of this with any credit, which is a shame as we're shortly going to be saying goodbye to a player without whom imo we'd have been out of the EPL long before the end of last season.

[YtarmyYtarmy]

He's got a point, so according to this no one is a legend ???

Nat Lofthouse won trophies for BWFC, scored 30 international goals in 33 games for England, for Bolton his goals ratio was something like 1:2 - 200 goals in 400 plus appearances and deserves legendary status and is rightly a 'BWFC legend'

Now how does KD compare ?

For me, it goes beyond that. You've only mentioned Nat's playing career. You've not mentioned the rest of the incredible things he did for the club for the whole of his life. Nobody will ever trump his achievements. He's deservedly classed as a BWFC legend.

Trying to compare anyone in BWFC's history to Nat, is unfair.

I don't think anyone will deny that KD's been an asset over the years, or that he's now past his best. Some say he deserves legend status. Let's move on and reflect on the positive things he's done over the years. Thank him for that and wish him all the best for the future.

Yep I agree, we have a few players that i reckon fit the status of Legend (SKD) being one of them :-

Nat Lofthouse, Jay Jay Okocha, John McGinlay, Frank Worthington, Jussi Jaaskelainen, Roy Greaves, Roy Hartle, John Byrom, Eddie Hopkins, Kevin Davies & Ricardo Gardner.

Not many of them had the same careers as Nat, but i think they Fit the status of Bolton Legends

[Gravedigger]

Not forgetting Gudni Bergson, Banks, Eddie Hopkinson, Stan Hanson. Legen or legendary, the word has come into modern usage so now no longer needs to ne mythical.

Free Dictionary says

Today a legend can also be a person or achievement worthy of inspiring such a story anyone or anything whose fame promises to be enduring, even if the renown is created more by the media than by oral tradition. Thus we speak of the legendary accomplishments of a major-league baseball star or the legendary voice of a famous opera singer, or Kevin Davies . This usage is common journalistic hyperbole, and 55 percent of the Usage Panel accepts it.

My bold

[Always hopeful]

The word "legend" is over used when it comes to describing footballers who've played for a club for quite a while and done quite well during that period. It makes me wince when I hear an introduction to a guest on BBC Manchester that goes something like this, "I'm pleased to let you know that we have with us today former Man Utd and Bolton legend - Alan Gowling". Errrrr, no.

There needs to be a word that can be used to distinguish the difference between these players and those of the stature of Nat.

[thebish]

noun
1. a nonhistorical or unverifiable story handed down by tradition from earlier times and popularly accepted as historical.
2. the body of stories of this kind, especially as they relate to a particular people, group, or clan: the winning of the West in American legend.
3. an inscription, especially on a coat of arms, on a monument, under a picture, or the like.
4. a table on a map, chart, or the like, listing and explaining the symbols used. Compare key1 ( def 8 ) .
5. Numismatics , inscription ( def 8 ) .

surely number 1. would apply to KD?

[thebish]

in the end - it's a nothing argument to argue whether KD is or isn't a "legend" given that everyone seems to have a different subjective view of what being a BWFC legend might actually mean...

[Always hopeful]

in the end - it's a nothing argument to argue whether KD is or isn't a "legend" given that everyone seems to have a different subjective view of what being a BWFC legend might actually mean...

Isn't that what this forum's all about?

[TANGODANCER]

As Bolton legends go, keep in mind the great Eddie Hopkinson. Eighteen years in the nets with the Whites, 518 appearances and 14 England caps .5'-8" tall he was still a Bolton giant and if legends are being talked about, he was surely one.

[Burnden Paddock]

fecking hell. I try to bring the bickering to an end by getting everyone to agree that SKD is a legend and end up opening a whole new can of worms over who is, or isn't a legend. FFS! I give up.

[bwfcdan94]

so - when do we start the TW SKD statue fund??

No need. They used him as a body double for Nat's statue, and you can't get better than that.

Tango in no statue for KD shocker!!!

, can see the BEN headline now "local man avenges no KD statue by creating his own in his back garden."

[Harry Genshaw]

The captain & spearhead of our 2nd most successful side since the war. Came for nothing, led us into Europe for the first time in our history and spent 10 years at the club.

Fook me - if he doesn't deserve to be called a legend for us, then nobody in my lifetime does.

[bobo the clown]

fecking hell. I try to bring the bickering to an end by getting everyone to agree that SKD is a legend and end up opening a whole new can of worms over who is, or isn't a legend. FFS! I give up.

Had you achieved that BP, then YOU would be a legend.