Charlton away

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Maybe he is a bad ref, but he is the same for both sides, we got two players sent off they didn't.

Sometimes these things even out, but today his poor performance hit us much harder than the opposition.

Neither of Ricketts' infringements warranted a yellow card, so I find it hard to blame him (despite his generally poor performance) or Freedman for his dismissal.

[Gravedigger]

The ref is a disgrace and doesn't know his arse from his elbow. In addition to an earlier post which shows a sheaf of reds, yellows and penalties. The Football League need to take a long hard look at this fella.

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Maybe he is a bad ref, but he is the same for both sides, we got two players sent off they didn't. I'm sure DF prepared the players in the knowledge of what he was like. Ricketts shouldn't of made the challenge on a yellow card, and risk the sending off maybe we should of Subbed him earlier.

Blaming the ref just deflects from the fact we were two nil up, and we lost the game!! Not the referee we Bolton Wanderers were not good enough over Two halves of football. Anything else does not matter, we can manage our performance and improve our performance we can do Zilch about the refs performance.

We lost the game for a number of reasons, one of which was the sad excuse of a ref. You may notice this is a forum and my opinion is as valid as anyones.

[TANGODANCER]

Maybe he is a bad ref, but he is the same for both sides, we got two players sent off they didn't. I'm sure DF prepared the players in the knowledge of what he was like. Ricketts shouldn't of made the challenge on a yellow card, and risk the sending off maybe we should of Subbed him earlier.

Blaming the ref just deflects from the fact we were two nil up, and we lost the game!! Not the referee we Bolton Wanderers were not good enough over Two halves of football. Anything else does not matter, we can manage our performance and improve our performance we can do Zilch about the refs performance.

True, but having a penalty given against and a player sent off (then another at the death) doesn't exactly make for an equal contest does it? The man seems card-mad and even the match commentators were claiming he was unfair and they could see no reason for Rickett's yellows.. We were warned in advance by our Addicks friend what he was like.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

It was difficult to tell on the penalty from our end. What did those on the radio with replays available say?

[gizmothevoomer]

The ref is a disgrace and doesn't know his arse from his elbow. In addition to an earlier post which shows a sheaf of reds, yellows and penalties. The Football League need to take a long hard look at this fella.

http://rateyourref.co.uk/referee/Trevor-Kettle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe he is a bad ref, but he is the same for both sides, we got two players sent off they didn't. I'm sure DF prepared the players in the knowledge of what he was like. Ricketts shouldn't of made the challenge on a yellow card, and risk the sending off maybe we should of Subbed him earlier.

Blaming the ref just deflects from the fact we were two nil up, and we lost the game!! Not the referee we Bolton Wanderers were not good enough over Two halves of football. Anything else does not matter, we can manage our performance and improve our performance we can do Zilch about the refs performance.

We lost the game for a number of reasons, one of which was the sad excuse of a ref. You may notice this is a forum and my opinion is as valid as anyones.

I didn't say your opinion wasn't valid, I am speaking from having played a decent level of sport, Albeit Rugby and have played with some internationals. I became a much better player when I realised I could only influence my performance, and not look elsewhere when things went wrong and we lost.

[bobo the clown]

I am speaking from having played a decent level of sport, Albeit Rugby and have played with some internationals. I became a much better player when I realised I could only influence my performance, and not look elsewhere when things went wrong and we lost.

Well, that's twice you've said it, though initially you never mentioned that it was a completely different sport.

There are several on here who've played sport at a decent level ... in some cases football !! ... it doesn't mean we understand a piss-poor referee any more than others.

A poor referee is a poor referee. He does influence a game & you can try to deflect that at the time. If you fail & that's down to some poor decisions then that should be stated. It's over when it's over .... but it's as valid (assuming it's correct) as blaming a players mistake when that's the case.

[Gravedigger]

The ref is a disgrace and doesn't know his arse from his elbow. In addition to an earlier post which shows a sheaf of reds, yellows and penalties. The Football League need to take a long hard look at this fella.

http://rateyourref.co.uk/referee/Trevor-Kettle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe he is a bad ref, but he is the same for both sides, we got two players sent off they didn't. I'm sure DF prepared the players in the knowledge of what he was like. Ricketts shouldn't of made the challenge on a yellow card, and risk the sending off maybe we should of Subbed him earlier.

Blaming the ref just deflects from the fact we were two nil up, and we lost the game!! Not the referee we Bolton Wanderers were not good enough over Two halves of football. Anything else does not matter, we can manage our performance and improve our performance we can do Zilch about the refs performance.

We lost the game for a number of reasons, one of which was the sad excuse of a ref. You may notice this is a forum and my opinion is as valid as anyones.

I didn't say your opinion wasn't valid, I am speaking from having played a decent level of sport, Albeit Rugby and have played with some internationals. I became a much better player when I realised I could only influence my performance, and not look elsewhere when things went wrong and we lost.

Fair enough. Apology accepted.

[gizmothevoomer]

I am speaking from having played a decent level of sport, Albeit Rugby and have played with some internationals. I became a much better player when I realised I could only influence my performance, and not look elsewhere when things went wrong and we lost.

Well, that's twice you've said it, though initially you never mentioned that it was a completely different sport.

There are several on here who've played sport at a decent level ... in some cases football !! ... it doesn't mean we understand a piss-poor referee any more than others.

A poor referee is a poor referee. He does influence a game & you can try to deflect that at the time. If you fail & that's down to some poor decisions then that should be stated. It's over when it's over .... but it's as valid (assuming it's correct) as blaming a players mistake when that's the case.

To play any sport at a decent level, gives someone an insight what is required to succeed in sport. I stand by what I said in an earlier post that a referee will make less mistakes than players on the pitch. I know we certainly got to know the referees that refereed us regularly and played to them accordingly. It would be naive to think when everything is analysed in professional sport that DF and his coaching staff had not looked and talked about who was the referee and discussed it with players.

There is an a case for asking why Ricketts wasn't subbed before he was sent off he is the sort of player who can always pick up a careless booking, and we were two one up and we needed to ensure we finished the game with eleven players on the pitch. Ricketts made a decision to make a challenge when on a yellow could he of done anything different? I am not blaming Ricketts but we had ninety minutes to with the game and from two nil up we should of won it!!

[Gravedigger]

I am speaking from having played a decent level of sport, Albeit Rugby and have played with some internationals. I became a much better player when I realised I could only influence my performance, and not look elsewhere when things went wrong and we lost.

Well, that's twice you've said it, though initially you never mentioned that it was a completely different sport.

There are several on here who've played sport at a decent level ... in some cases football !! ... it doesn't mean we understand a piss-poor referee any more than others.

A poor referee is a poor referee. He does influence a game & you can try to deflect that at the time. If you fail & that's down to some poor decisions then that should be stated. It's over when it's over .... but it's as valid (assuming it's correct) as blaming a players mistake when that's the case.

To play any sport at a decent level, gives someone an insight what is required to succeed in sport. I stand by what I said in an earlier post that a referee will make less mistakes than players on the pitch. I know we certainly got to know the referees that refereed us regularly and played to them accordingly. It would be naive to think when everything is analysed in professional sport that DF and his coaching staff had not looked and talked about who was the referee and discussed it with players.

There is an a case for asking why Ricketts wasn't subbed before he was sent off he is the sort of player who can always pick up a careless booking, and we were two one up and we needed to ensure we finished the game with eleven players on the pitch. Ricketts made a decision to make a challenge when on a yellow could he of done anything different? I am not blaming Ricketts but we had ninety minutes to with the game and from two nil up we should of won it!!

My bold. Perhaps you could then give us an explanation for us losing to Ipswich in that infamous match that Barry Knight reffed in. Refs have always had some influence from that match to the favours that ManU (spit) seem to get from successive refs. A cock up by a player is common, a cock up from a ref should NEVER be allowed without some come-back. And no player should be subbed just because they pick up a yellow. Some players pick up a yellow and still score in the same match.

[Enoch]

I'm not much given to passing comment on games or individual performances, but anyone that thinks today's referee was anything other than a c*nt, clearly wasn't at the game. So please, if you didn't see it, shut the f*ck up.

[Enoch]

That's better.

[bobo the clown]

I am speaking from having played a decent level of sport, Albeit Rugby and have played with some internationals. I became a much better player when I realised I could only influence my performance, and not look elsewhere when things went wrong and we lost.

Well, that's twice you've said it, though initially you never mentioned that it was a completely different sport.

There are several on here who've played sport at a decent level ... in some cases football !! ... it doesn't mean we understand a piss-poor referee any more than others.

A poor referee is a poor referee. He does influence a game & you can try to deflect that at the time. If you fail & that's down to some poor decisions then that should be stated. It's over when it's over .... but it's as valid (assuming it's correct) as blaming a players mistake when that's the case.

To play any sport at a decent level, gives someone an insight what is required to succeed in sport.

There is an a case for asking why Ricketts wasn't subbed before he was sent off he is the sort of player who can always pick up a careless booking,

Ricketts, up to today had 3 yellows this season. He got 3 last season, 4 the season before & 2, plus 1 red the season before that.

Hardly a double-yellow waiting to happen.

I suspect that DF & Sam Ricketts have played a good deal more 'decent level sport' than anyone else on here, so are in a pretty good position to tell what is likely.

It happened, the ref was poor throughout & it seems to have had an impact on the game. I'm over it, but let's not pretend it didn't occur or have an influence.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

To play any sport at a decent level, gives someone an insight what is required to succeed in sport.

[gizmothevoomer]

I am speaking from having played a decent level of sport, Albeit Rugby and have played with some internationals. I became a much better player when I realised I could only influence my performance, and not look elsewhere when things went wrong and we lost.

Well, that's twice you've said it, though initially you never mentioned that it was a completely different sport.

There are several on here who've played sport at a decent level ... in some cases football !! ... it doesn't mean we understand a piss-poor referee any more than others.

A poor referee is a poor referee. He does influence a game & you can try to deflect that at the time. If you fail & that's down to some poor decisions then that should be stated. It's over when it's over .... but it's as valid (assuming it's correct) as blaming a players mistake when that's the case.

To play any sport at a decent level, gives someone an insight what is required to succeed in sport. I stand by what I said in an earlier post that a referee will make less mistakes than players on the pitch. I know we certainly got to know the referees that refereed us regularly and played to them accordingly. It would be naive to think when everything is analysed in professional sport that DF and his coaching staff had not looked and talked about who was the referee and discussed it with players.

There is an a case for asking why Ricketts wasn't subbed before he was sent off he is the sort of player who can always pick up a careless booking, and we were two one up and we needed to ensure we finished the game with eleven players on the pitch. Ricketts made a decision to make a challenge when on a yellow could he of done anything different? I am not blaming Ricketts but we had ninety minutes to with the game and from two nil up we should of won it!!

My bold. Perhaps you could then give us an explanation for us losing to Ipswich in that infamous match that Barry Knight reffed in. Refs have always had some influence from that match to the favours that ManU (spit) seem to get from successive refs. A cock up by a player is common, a cock up from a ref should NEVER be allowed without some come-back. And no player should be subbed just because they pick up a yellow. Some players pick up a yellow and still score in the same match.

I didn't see the game in 2000, and would agree ManU got the benefit of the doubt when playing Real Madrid when Nani was sent off, we can all quote individual examples of mistakes by Refs. Over a season they balance out!

With the regard Any cock up from a Referee should have some come back what are you suggesting a referral system similar to cricket or American Football? Whilst not officially regarded as sanction Mark Halsey has no premiership game after failing to send the Wigan player off?

Players can be substituted for a number of reason whilst I agree a yellow card is not reason to substitute someone automatically, It is probably no coincidence that 10 mins after Ricketts was sent off Charlton subbed Gower who was on a yellow for them. If a defender is on a yellow and being skinned consistantly would you not consider subbing him if you had another player of comparable ability on the bench to ensure keeping 11 on the pitch I would.

Also Dougies quote after the game ' We put the ref in the position he had to make those decisions ' kinda proves my original point!

[Prufrock]

Yes, blaming the referee for today isn't going to help us next week, that doesn't mean he didn't affect the game hugely today. Neither of Ricketts' looked bookings to me. The Craig Davies ones were even more of a joke (he didn't help himself with the first going getting involved but it was still never a booking; the second one was laughable). Penalty looked pretty stonewall to me, albeit from the other end. Ricketts' red card was bollocks, but his second defo looked a foul, so can't really say we didn't deserve to be at 2-2, but 11v10 from there is always going to be tough.

Massive shame though, because for 20 minutes we flattened them, and should have been out of sight.

Met Dan too, Blakeman shirt and all! Only for the second half, and I wasn't really in a talkative mood then, but he seems like a genuine, nice guy.

[Wandering Willy]

Freedman out the wanker.

Why didn't he bring super Kevin on to win the game?

Wanker.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Freedman out the wanker.

Why didn't he bring super Kevin on to win the game?

Wanker.

Well I'd rather have had him on than Ngog....

[VisitingAddick]

Well ... Bloody hell, did that game have everything.

Chances, goals, penalties, sending offs, injured refs (and shit ones!)

I warned before the game about our friend Mr Kettle ... maybe he thought he owed us one.

He is, quite frankly, useless. Those who were there, was that really a dirty game? And did it warrant that amount of cards? Did it f#ck!

Let's do this chronologically:

Never in all my years of watching Charlton have I ever seen a performance as poor as ours was in the first twenty minutes, I truly was expecting a cricket score. You made us pay with two quite bizarre goals. We almost let you take them as if they were free-kicks, that was how static the defending was. We made you look like Barca in those opening stages.

Then, rallied by the man who always seems to get us out of the brown stuff, our skipper, skips past two players and finishes calmly, game on.

For the rest of the first half I felt it was fairly even in honesty. I'd recovered from being stunned at what happened in the first 20 minutes and I was quite enjoying the football. Half time, and nicely set up for the second half.

Your first red card. On only one viewing, I felt could have been a red on its own, as i thought he was the last man, but that maybe wrong, I wasn't sure, just a hunch. If he's not the last man then that's a shambles of a red card, the first yellow should never have been.

Then one of our two free kick specialists cracks one against the post from the resulting free kick and it's tapped in from the re bound with the goalkeeper taken out of the game. Unlucky, we were first to react, but I think you were just shell shocked from the red card.

The penalty, Kettle got this one right. I was sitting right infront of the incident and yes it's a trip. Fuller has done really well there in honesty, got past both players with a single touch and he just gets taken out slightly. Why the abuse to him? Past history? Kermorgant steps up, comeback finished.

You had a truly awful five minutes there, after the red card you crumbled, simple as.

It was hard to believe I was watching the same game of football as I was at ten past three!

After this we could have scored two more if it wasn't for an unbeliveable block with the face from Dawson and a sublime close range save from Lonergan. (Why no Bogdan? I was intrigued by this as he was your number one in the prem.)

I thought we were going to be made to pay for those chances not going in, and after seven (nine in the end!) minutes of added time I had no finger nails.

Then within the space of four minutes C Davies gets booked for dissent, obviously we can't tell if that's justified, and then he lunges in to a tackle. With a card happy ref such as Kettle, you cant afford to let him make decisions like this. In the end though it didn't affect the game. Again, probably not a red however.

In fact, I think he missed the only dead certain red card of the game, when Alonso choke slammed our right back Solly.

I can understand why you felt aggrieved at leaving SE7 empty handed, but I hope you enjoyed your travels, those who went.

Best of luck for the rest of the season.

VA

[Wandering Willy]

Freedman out the wanker.

Why didn't he bring super Kevin on to win the game?

Wanker.

Well I'd rather have had him on than Ngog....

Why doesn't that surprise me?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Freedman out the wanker.

Why didn't he bring super Kevin on to win the game?

Wanker.

Well I'd rather have had him on than Ngog....

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Because Ngog is often shite?