Coyle

[BWFC_Insane]

I think that even if he donated a million pound to charity you will still find fault. I tire of the same sh*te in every thread from you.

Oh really? I guess saying nasty things about a manager is wrong. Glad you've cleared that up. I'm sure you've never done that repeatedly. Quite sure.

Coyle fooked this club more than any manager since our rise from division four. It wasn't all his fault, plenty turned a blind eye to his particular brand of stubborn incompetence. But feck it he did.

I don't care one way or another what he does now. I will always hold him responsible for his negligence whilst he was here.

Will have to disagree with you on that He was worse than Megon but not Lee, personally I thought Coyle was alright but am much happier with DF. DF is a legend in my book the way he has turned it round.

Indeed Dan but Lee was removed just about in time before he could do the real damage that Coyle did.

And let's not get carried away. Early days for DF. Hope things continue in an upward trend.

[bobo the clown]

I wasn't insulting his mentality. Just saying that despite the articulate talk and the way he presents himself, I don't think he's all that bright.

He won't be the only one in football in that position like.

But others might not be as stubborn with it!

Edit: though I'm very happy to insult his mentality if you like, there is plenty of ammunition there. Or I could let Bobo do that job.....

... as if.

[thebish]

I blame Plymouth!! FFS- could this sterile willy-waving exercise not have been foreseen???

I got a new stick so I thought I'd use it

[coffeymagic]

I normally start coughing up blood when I hear the Socceram theme music but I did see the 'none of it was your fault comment' and thought that considering the 'blokey banter' nature of the show this was quite a good question that perhaps some other local outlets should have been posing as we struggled last season.

Coyle comes across as a guy you'd like to like, even the Wolves fans were cheering him.

But then chancers always do come across as likeable don't they?

I've always doubted people who are full of confidence in their own ability. While it's important to have some you must be able to back it up with actual ability because very soon you'll be found out.

Hope he does well in his next job but the facts really do speak for themselves.

[BWFC_Insane]

I normally start coughing up blood when I hear the Socceram theme music but I did see the 'none of it was your fault comment' and thought that considering the 'blokey banter' nature of the show this was quite a good question that perhaps some other local outlets should have been posing as we struggled last season.

Coyle comes across as a guy you'd like to like, even the Wolves fans were cheering him.

But then chancers always do come across as likeable don't they?

I've always doubted people who are full of confidence in their own ability. While it's important to have some you must be able to back it up with actual ability because very soon you'll be found out.

Hope he does well in his next job but the facts really do speak for themselves.

Not so sure about that. I reckon most successful football managers would fit that category. You need the confidence to have the courage of your convictions.

[mrkint]

I normally start coughing up blood when I hear the Socceram theme music but I did see the 'none of it was your fault comment' and thought that considering the 'blokey banter' nature of the show this was quite a good question that perhaps some other local outlets should have been posing as we struggled last season.

Coyle comes across as a guy you'd like to like, even the Wolves fans were cheering him.

But then chancers always do come across as likeable don't they?

I've always doubted people who are full of confidence in their own ability. While it's important to have some you must be able to back it up with actual ability because very soon you'll be found out.

Hope he does well in his next job but the facts really do speak for themselves.

Not so sure about that. I reckon most successful football managers would fit that category. You need the confidence to have the courage of your convictions.

Tbf BWFCi i think coffey's sentence after the bold bit helps mitigate it somewhat. Confidence is great, but without ability it's a bit rubbish.

[coffeymagic]

Oh aye, there are plenty of 'confident' people out there in all walks of life. You only have to look at Eggs-Factor and B's Got T to see it's out there in spadefulls.

Where's the line though? Where does confidence spill into arrogance, delusion and sociopathy?

I'm not saying Owen Coyle's about to go on a murder rampage but he's like a politician where while never admitting any mistakes he's always learning and improving from the errors of the past. That's if he made any of course.

Which he didn't.

But he is a better manager despite the errors.

Of which there were none.

[Athers]

It was said on here a while back but his stubbornness will be his undoing and it turned out so.

Don't think it's too insulting to say he is not a particularly cerebral manager like Martinez or Villas-Boas when it comes to the game, instead investing all his time in making players feel confident. Ultimately that's fine for a while or if you have shrewd backroom staff, which we all think he did not. We couldn't defend a set piece for 18 months ffs.

When you add up all that went wrong we were one Ream-header away from staying up, but I think we'd have got thumped all season had we done so. Can't imagine QPR fans have had fun this year.

[bwfcdan94]

I think that even if he donated a million pound to charity you will still find fault. I tire of the same sh*te in every thread from you.

Oh really? I guess saying nasty things about a manager is wrong. Glad you've cleared that up. I'm sure you've never done that repeatedly. Quite sure.

Coyle fooked this club more than any manager since our rise from division four. It wasn't all his fault, plenty turned a blind eye to his particular brand of stubborn incompetence. But feck it he did.

I don't care one way or another what he does now. I will always hold him responsible for his negligence whilst he was here.

Will have to disagree with you on that He was worse than Megon but not Lee, personally I thought Coyle was alright but am much happier with DF. DF is a legend in my book the way he has turned it round.

You don't want boothroyd anymore?

Yes but I am all but under oath not to considering how well we are doing. But feck um yes getting AB in would be perfect, I would even make the long trip up there to greet him.

[bwfcdan94]

it's far too early for legend-talk...

The word legend is tossed around fairly easily among my generation, I got called it yesterday for covering for somebody bunking I.T "he's ill sir" I said when what I actually meant was "he has fu**ed off to Mchydees with his mates sir".

[Harry Genshaw]

I did see the 'none of it was your fault comment' and thought that considering the 'blokey banter' nature of the show this was quite a good question

Agreed. Interesting to see that in response he said "As manager you have to take full responsibility" then went on to list injuries, finance, Muamba incident, refereeing decisions and the nature of the Championship as reasons to why he was no longer employed.

[bobo the clown]

I did see the 'none of it was your fault comment' and thought that considering the 'blokey banter' nature of the show this was quite a good question

Agreed. Interesting to see that in response he said "As manager you have to take full responsibility" then went on to list injuries, finance, Muamba incident, refereeing decisions and the nature of the Championship as reasons to why he was no longer employed.

... & there's the rub.

He did have a shocking injury list last year, with Holden, Mavies, Wheater at the very end, Lee and then Muamba's illness.

He did suffer from some v expensive referee mistakes, the Stoke, last game, to name but one ... yet we did only go down by the narrowest of margins.

However, his failure to establish a proper way of playing ... his stubborness, his lack of organisation, his failure to get the players properly fit & properly focussed all add to that.

... and if I'd heard "Barclay's Premier League", "this football club" or how fckg marvellous all opposing managers were one more time I may have done a Suarez on him.

[plymouth wanderer]

I think that even if he donated a million pound to charity you will still find fault. I tire of the same sh*te in every thread from you.

Oh really? I guess saying nasty things about a manager is wrong. Glad you've cleared that up. I'm sure you've never done that repeatedly. Quite sure.

Coyle fooked this club more than any manager since our rise from division four. It wasn't all his fault, plenty turned a blind eye to his particular brand of stubborn incompetence. But feck it he did.

I don't care one way or another what he does now. I will always hold him responsible for his negligence whilst he was here.

Will have to disagree with you on that He was worse than Megon but not Lee, personally I thought Coyle was alright but am much happier with DF. DF is a legend in my book the way he has turned it round.

You don't want boothroyd anymore?

Yes but I am all but under oath not to considering how well we are doing. But feck um yes getting AB in would be perfect, I would even make the long trip up there to greet him.

Right now you'd have Boothroyd over Dougie

[Jakerbeef]

That and his ignorance towards a Muamba-filled 4-5-1.

4-4-2 Wigan anyone?

[Enoch]

Did Coyle never hear the old maxim about self praise?

He needs to change his med's.

[bobo the clown]

That and his ignorance towards a Muamba-filled 4-5-1.

4-4-2 Wigan anyone?

Which, having stumbled upon a successful formula by accident, due to injury & suspension .... & finally playing Muamba properly .... he dumped the moment he could.

That game was the end of him for me.

[Prufrock]

Wigan was bad, reaaaly bad, but I think Villa at home was worse. A top two who couldn't run and a midfield four who'd never made a tackle between them.

I even think, from a football perspective, that Fab's problem helped us. He wasn't playing him anyway, and they had a good win off the back of it. Lee and Holden he can have, but not Muamba.

[BWFC_Insane]

Wigan was bad, reaaaly bad, but I think Villa at home was worse. A top two who couldn't run and a midfield four who'd never made a tackle between them.

I even think, from a football perspective, that Fab's problem helped us. He wasn't playing him anyway, and they had a good win off the back of it. Lee and Holden he can have, but not Muamba.

He didn't sign Lee!

[Prufrock]

I mean being injured. He didn't sign Fab either.

[Jakerbeef]

Think he meant in terms of bad luck, the injuries to Lee and Holden could be classified as such. But since he wasnt even selecting Muamba then he can't claim the bad luck of that 'injury'.

Which does make sense. Though saying we got 3 points out of it is harshly pragmatic!