Tonight's Football

[seanworth]

Sounds like Barca could have used KD tonight.

[Prufrock]

He's a class footballer, Roben, but also a class cheat.

What did he do tonight? I thought his performance tonight was about as good as you'll ever see! Muller was the one cheating. Barca the wrong side of some big, big calls, but Bayern were unreal. Add Guardiola and Gotze next year and...wow.

[ChrisC]

He's a class footballer, Roben, but also a class cheat.

What did he do tonight? I thought his performance tonight was about as good as you'll ever see! Muller was the one cheating. Barca the wrong side of some big, big calls, but Bayern were unreal. Add Guardiola and Gotze next year and...wow.

Guardiola walks into ready made team of world beaters shocker!

[Prufrock]

I've sympathised with, if not signed up for, that school of argument before - you can't knock his achievements, but I think any comparison with your Mourinhos of this world isn't really on - but I think tonight showed it is nowhere near as simple as saying 'anyone could manage them'.

I really enjoyed the ITV post-match stuff. Roy Keane said you can't fault Barca for having no plan B, as they've been so successful recently, and Gareth Southgate, whilst turning white and genuinely finishing up about three feet further away from Keane than he had been when he started talking, disagreed (brave!) and said they had actually been pretty flexible.

They were really, really poor today. Sure Xavi is a bit older, but it didn't stop Spain in the summer, and Messi definitely wasn't right, but they didn't have that intensity, and didn't play at the same pace, particularly in the final third that they have done. Most importantly they didn't ever set about hunting Bayern down in key areas in the way they would have done 12 months ago.

I think you're right to a certain extent that if Guardiola goes there and does fantastically well it doesn't necessarily say that much for him as a manager when compared to the other top ones, but it still isn't as easy as rocking up there and going 'well, lads, just keep doing that'.

[ChrisC]

I've sympathised with, if not signed up for, that school of argument before - you can't knock his achievements, but I think any comparison with your Mourinhos of this world isn't really on - but I think tonight showed it is nowhere near as simple as saying 'anyone could manage them'.

I really enjoyed the ITV post-match stuff. Roy Keane said you can't fault Barca for having no plan B, as they've been so successful recently, and Gareth Southgate, whilst turning white and genuinely finishing up about three feet further away from Keane than he had been when he started talking, disagreed (brave!) and said they had actually been pretty flexible.

They were really, really poor today. Sure Xavi is a bit older, but it didn't stop Spain in the summer, and Messi definitely wasn't right, but they didn't have that intensity, and didn't play at the same pace, particularly in the final third that they have done. Most importantly they didn't ever set about hunting Bayern down in key areas in the way they would have done 12 months ago.

I think you're right to a certain extent that if Guardiola goes there and does fantastically well it doesn't necessarily say that much for him as a manager when compared to the other top ones, but it still isn't as easy as rocking up there and going 'well, lads, just keep doing that'.

I just thought when he chose to go to Bayern it was very predictable. Pretty much guaranteed the league with only one other real contender (Dortmund) who have now been massively weakened with the sale of Gotze and also reported that Lewandowski is heading there also. It is very hard to fail just as it was at Barca.

Now if he had gone to somewhere like Chelsea then I would have respected the guy more. His name is on the line taking a job like that. Lots of competition for the title etc and the team needs work.

[boltonboris]

He's a class footballer, Roben, but also a class cheat.

What did he do tonight? I thought his performance tonight was about as good as you'll ever see! Muller was the one cheating. Barca the wrong side of some big, big calls, but Bayern were unreal. Add Guardiola and Gotze next year and...wow.

Bayern could've easily had 3 penalties that weren't given in fairness, so it was kind of evened up.

4-0 didn't flatter them. Utterly dominant and superior individually and collectively. A special performance.

[Prufrock]

I'd forgotten about the Pique one, that was nailed on! The one from the corner which was nodded down onto his hand was never a penalty in a million years. Which was the third one?

But yeah, 4-0 thoroughly deserved and against a team as good as that! And honestly what the feck was with Robben?!

[Prufrock]

Sampions Lig!

pretty scary that Bayern are getting Gotze next year

Am I the only person on earth never to have heard of this Gotze bloke until today? Sky sports news have had me feeling like a fecking imbecile all day. Who is he? What's his position? Why the fuss? Genuine questions!

If you get chance, watch Dortmund tonight Brucie, they're a phenomenal side and brilliant to watch. Gotze is the poster boy. Plays in the hole behind the striker, or sometimes out wide. In the few games I've seen him play he looks properly good.

I think it's a shame he's going as I think it could be the end of this Dortmund team. Kagawa went last year, Gotze going, big rumours about Lewandowski. Seeing that, if you were any of the big boys and after a centre-half then Hummels would surely be your no.1 target. Reus might be the only only one left!

And ze Germans are surely going to win a majot tournament in the next ten years! The Bayern lads, the Dortmund lads, the two at Madrid, Schurrle as well. No pressure Mr Wilshere

[Jakerbeef]

Might be the end of this Dortmund era, but they'll be getting a pretty penny.

Makes the Kahn-led German side of '02 seem like a bad memory. (Aye, I know, the one that reached the final.)

[BWFC_Insane]

If you were a Barcelona fan surely you'd have to be pretty embarassed by what you witnessed last night? Surely the media wank-off over "tiki taka" (anyone who actually says that out loud deserves a vicious beating btw) must now end? Surely to god. Barcelona have no defence, can't cope with crosses into the box and are heavily, heavily reliant on Lionel Messi.

A good side yes. But certainly not living up to the tag some put on them.

Certainly they are not exactly dominating European competition......

[mrkint]

Sampions Lig!

pretty scary that Bayern are getting Gotze next year

Am I the only person on earth never to have heard of this Gotze bloke until today? Sky sports news have had me feeling like a fecking imbecile all day. Who is he? What's his position? Why the fuss? Genuine questions!

If you get chance, watch Dortmund tonight Brucie, they're a phenomenal side and brilliant to watch. Gotze is the poster boy. Plays in the hole behind the striker, or sometimes out wide. In the few games I've seen him play he looks properly good.

I think it's a shame he's going as I think it could be the end of this Dortmund team. Kagawa went last year, Gotze going, big rumours about Lewandowski. Seeing that, if you were any of the big boys and after a centre-half then Hummels would surely be your no.1 target. Reus might be the only only one left!

And ze Germans are surely going to win a majot tournament in the next ten years! The Bayern lads, the Dortmund lads, the two at Madrid, Schurrle as well. No pressure Mr Wilshere

Subotic isn't too bad either. Now there's a person of eastern European descent I wouldn't want to bite.

[TANGODANCER]

He's a class footballer, Roben, but also a class cheat.

What did he do tonight? I thought his performance tonight was about as good as you'll ever see! Muller was the one cheating. Barca the wrong side of some big, big calls, but Bayern were unreal. Add Guardiola and Gotze next year and...wow.

That flying dive when a defender touched his shirt was disgusting, as his reaction when somebody flicked the ball to him for a throw in. He let it hit him in the face and behaved like Mike Tyson had punched him. Good player, even great one, yes, but both incidents were blatant cheating. Can't stand that sort of behaviour .

Anyway, Bayern 4, Barcelona 0. Bayern 2, Bolton 2.

[BWFC_Insane]

He's a class footballer, Roben, but also a class cheat.

What did he do tonight? I thought his performance tonight was about as good as you'll ever see! Muller was the one cheating. Barca the wrong side of some big, big calls, but Bayern were unreal. Add Guardiola and Gotze next year and...wow.

That flying dive when a defender touched his shirt was disgusting, as his reaction when somebody flicked the ball to him for a throw in. He let it hit him in the face and behaved like Mike Tyson had punched him. Good player, even great one, yes, but both incidents were blatant cheating. Can't stand that sort of behaviour .

Not having that TD. It hit him in the face. He most certainly did not "let it". He held his face for a second or two that was it. Not like he fell to the floor writhing in agony.

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[TANGODANCER]

He's a class footballer, Roben, but also a class cheat.

What did he do tonight? I thought his performance tonight was about as good as you'll ever see! Muller was the one cheating. Barca the wrong side of some big, big calls, but Bayern were unreal. Add Guardiola and Gotze next year and...wow.

That flying dive when a defender touched his shirt was disgusting, as his reaction when somebody flicked the ball to him for a throw in. He let it hit him in the face and behaved like Mike Tyson had punched him. Good player, even great one, yes, but both incidents were blatant cheating. Can't stand that sort of behaviour .

Not having that TD. It hit him in the face. He most certainly did not "let it". He held his face for a second or two that was it. Not like he fell to the floor writhing in agony.

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Aye, allright. Mortal injury then, definitely worthy of a card.

[bobo the clown]

Not having that TD. It hit him in the face. He most certainly did not "let it". He held his face for a second or two that was it. Not like he fell to the floor writhing in agony.

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Regrettably correct. It looks like he thought of doing & then chose not to.

Still a dislikeable twunk though.

Can I ever trust Radio Tango again ??

[BWFC_Insane]

He's a class footballer, Roben, but also a class cheat.

What did he do tonight? I thought his performance tonight was about as good as you'll ever see! Muller was the one cheating. Barca the wrong side of some big, big calls, but Bayern were unreal. Add Guardiola and Gotze next year and...wow.

That flying dive when a defender touched his shirt was disgusting, as his reaction when somebody flicked the ball to him for a throw in. He let it hit him in the face and behaved like Mike Tyson had punched him. Good player, even great one, yes, but both incidents were blatant cheating. Can't stand that sort of behaviour .

Not having that TD. It hit him in the face. He most certainly did not "let it". He held his face for a second or two that was it. Not like he fell to the floor writhing in agony.

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Aye, allright. Mortal injury then, definitely worthy of a card.

1) Does a mortal injury need to occur before someone is yellow carded?

2) I must have missed the bit where Robben goes into his pocket and produces the yellow.

Alba was stupid and petulant. Threw the ball at Robben, sure it wasn't hard but it was still a stupid thing to do and very worthy of a booking. For me the ref got it spot on. At the time watching it, I did think it would be a red.

[TANGODANCER]

Not having that TD. It hit him in the face. He most certainly did not "let it". He held his face for a second or two that was it. Not like he fell to the floor writhing in agony.

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Regrettably correct. It looks like he thought of doing & then chose not to.

Still a dislikeable twunk though.

Can I ever trust Radio Tango again ??

Different strokes for different folks.

[Prufrock]

Aye! I was astounded Robben stayed on his feet. Plenty others (included him 99% of the time tbf) would have given it the triple pike. Really surprised the ref didn't send Alba off as well, given he'd seen it.

[Annoyed Grunt]

Dortmund play You'll Never Walk Alone before games?

[Annoyed Grunt]

Dortmund take the lead....