Margaret Thatcher, R.I.P.?

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Re: Margaret Thatcher, R.I.P.?

Post by Worthy4England » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:40 pm

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mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:So the Cabinet Office has published the costs for Thatcher's funeral: £1.6m, over two thirds of which was on security and policing. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cost ... rs-funeral" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
OK, so what's happened to the other £8.4m ?

Can I assume that those outraged by the £10m claimed to be being spent will now no longer be outraged .... or at least only 16% as outraged. Or will they admit that the cost, much as it was what was used to jusify their ire, was in fact not what they objected to at all ?
Given you're absolutely, positively not getting involved in this thread, my cut on it is still the same. £0 was still way in excess of what the nation should have spent. I wouldn't have allowed it, if it was all paid for out of her private wealth and they made a £40m donation to Battersea Dog's Home. Blair shouldn't get one either.

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Re: Margaret Thatcher, R.I.P.?

Post by thebish » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:12 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
thebish wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:So the Cabinet Office has published the costs for Thatcher's funeral: £1.6m, over two thirds of which was on security and policing. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cost ... rs-funeral" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
OK, so what's happened to the other £8.4m ?

Can I assume that those outraged by the £10m claimed to be being spent will now no longer be outraged .... or at least only 16% as outraged. Or will they admit that the cost, much as it was what was used to jusify their ire, was in fact not what they objected to at all ?
I'm sure they will as long as mummy now gives his support for the same treatment for Tony Blair... :wink:
It will be replicated for Tony Blair ... unless he declines it, which I doubt.
i'm guessing the first condition for his funeral would be that he was dead - so not sure how he'd decline! :wink:

and - it's mummy (not you) who said it should happen for Maggie but not for Tony...

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Post by boltonboris » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:44 pm

Downing Street have now put the figure at £3.6m. It's creeping up.. It's gonns be like the new Wembley this.
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Post by thebish » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:51 pm

boltonboris wrote:Downing Street have now put the figure at £3.6m. It's creeping up.. It's gonns be like the new Wembley this.
that's just about doubled since mummy's breathless announcement! 8)

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Re: Margaret Thatcher, R.I.P.?

Post by bobo the clown » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:56 pm

thebish wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:
thebish wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:So the Cabinet Office has published the costs for Thatcher's funeral: £1.6m, over two thirds of which was on security and policing. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cost ... rs-funeral" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
OK, so what's happened to the other £8.4m ?

Can I assume that those outraged by the £10m claimed to be being spent will now no longer be outraged .... or at least only 16% as outraged. Or will they admit that the cost, much as it was what was used to jusify their ire, was in fact not what they objected to at all ?
I'm sure they will as long as mummy now gives his support for the same treatment for Tony Blair... :wink:
It will be replicated for Tony Blair ... unless he declines it, which I doubt.
i'm guessing the first condition for his funeral would be that he was dead - so not sure how he'd decline! :wink: Thatch discussed her arrangements with, as it happened, Blair. So sooner or later (& given the number of enemies he has I'd suggest sooner ... if not before) he'll be asked. So ner-ner-ne-ner, ner.
and - it's mummy (not you) who said it should happen for Maggie but not for Tony...
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Post by seanworth » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:58 pm

Out of curiosity who pays for all the dignitaries that attended the funeral. Would assume they can't be counted as official state visits. If the U.K. is partly responsible that must have added up to a pretty pence.

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Post by Annoyed Grunt » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:59 pm

thebish wrote:
boltonboris wrote:Downing Street have now put the figure at £3.6m. It's creeping up.. It's gonns be like the new Wembley this.
that's just about doubled since mummy's breathless announcement! 8)
Said on the radio that £2 mill of that was for the police....

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Post by thebish » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:01 pm

Annoyed Grunt wrote:
thebish wrote:
boltonboris wrote:Downing Street have now put the figure at £3.6m. It's creeping up.. It's gonns be like the new Wembley this.
that's just about doubled since mummy's breathless announcement! 8)
Said on the radio that £2 mill of that was for the police....
i thought mummy said 2/3 of £1.6mill was for both security AND policing

summat doesn't add up....

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Re: Margaret Thatcher, R.I.P.?

Post by TANGODANCER » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:06 pm

Is anybody likely to tell the truth about the final figures? Somehow, I doubt it.
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Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:16 pm

thebish wrote:
Annoyed Grunt wrote:
thebish wrote:
boltonboris wrote:Downing Street have now put the figure at £3.6m. It's creeping up.. It's gonns be like the new Wembley this.
that's just about doubled since mummy's breathless announcement! 8)
Said on the radio that £2 mill of that was for the police....
i thought mummy said 2/3 of £1.6mill was for both security AND policing

summat doesn't add up....
No, the next £2million was 'opportunity cost' not extra cash spent. The figure is still £1.6million.
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Post by Worthy4England » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:41 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:
thebish wrote:
Annoyed Grunt wrote:
thebish wrote:
boltonboris wrote:Downing Street have now put the figure at £3.6m. It's creeping up.. It's gonns be like the new Wembley this.
that's just about doubled since mummy's breathless announcement! 8)
Said on the radio that £2 mill of that was for the police....
i thought mummy said 2/3 of £1.6mill was for both security AND policing

summat doesn't add up....
No, the next £2million was 'opportunity cost' not extra cash spent. The figure is still £1.6million.
What complete and utter bollocks.

Somewhere £2m of policing was lost from other duties.

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Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:49 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:
thebish wrote: i thought mummy said 2/3 of £1.6mill was for both security AND policing

summat doesn't add up....
No, the next £2million was 'opportunity cost' not extra cash spent. The figure is still £1.6million.
What complete and utter bollocks.

Somewhere £2m of policing was lost from other duties.
£2m of policing/soldiering/security work - yep, £2million of that was reallocated for the day but would have been spent anyway.
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Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:51 pm

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and - it's mummy (not you) who said it should happen for Maggie but not for Tony...
I didn't say that. I said that Thatcher's case was far stronger but that I could see the argument for Blair.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher, R.I.P.?

Post by Worthy4England » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:00 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:
thebish wrote: i thought mummy said 2/3 of £1.6mill was for both security AND policing

summat doesn't add up....
No, the next £2million was 'opportunity cost' not extra cash spent. The figure is still £1.6million.
What complete and utter bollocks.

Somewhere £2m of policing was lost from other duties.
£2m of policing/soldiering/security work - yep, £2million of that was reallocated for the day but would have been spent anyway.
That's £2m of other things on behalf of the taxpayer, that didn't get done. It's one of the most inane, arsewrenching, bollocks, statements I've heard in a long time.

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Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:19 pm

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That's £2m of other things on behalf of the taxpayer, that didn't get done. It's one of the most inane, arsewrenching, bollocks, statements I've heard in a long time.
All those soldiers would still have been soldiers doing something else on another day, it's true. I'm relaxed that occasionally they're called upon to perform ceremonial state functions.
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Post by thebish » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:24 am

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:
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and - it's mummy (not you) who said it should happen for Maggie but not for Tony...
I didn't say that. I said that Thatcher's case was far stronger but that I could see the argument for Blair.
i believe you said it felt right for thatcher but wouldn't feel right for blair because his war wasn't as well won as hers...

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Post by boltonboris » Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:26 am

The horse and carriage was going to be used to take Theresa May to Tesco, she'd have claimed it on expenses, so you can take that out of the cost.

The dignitaries were also already coming over for a game of kerplunk with David Cameron, so again, you can take that expense out.

It probably cost feck all when you trim it down.
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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:23 am

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Worthy4England wrote:
That's £2m of other things on behalf of the taxpayer, that didn't get done. It's one of the most inane, arsewrenching, bollocks, statements I've heard in a long time.
All those soldiers would still have been soldiers doing something else on another day, it's true. I'm relaxed that occasionally they're called upon to perform ceremonial state functions.
That's like arguing that you would be relaxed about it if the government taxed you at 100% because the money would have been spent on something eventually anyway, no matter who 'owned' it. Rehidiculouuus.
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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:28 am

boltonboris wrote:The horse and carriage was going to be used to take Theresa May to Tesco, she'd have claimed it on expenses, so you can take that out of the cost.

The dignitaries were also already coming over for a game of kerplunk with David Cameron, so again, you can take that expense out.

It probably cost feck all when you trim it down.
And the horses were alive and breathing so they might as well have been used, and the sand had already been ground out of rock so it might as well have been scattered (all ten tonnes of it) along the route, and then swept up again by an army of serfs (who would have been paid by Westminster council anyway, but obviously not for sand sweeping duties).
It's almost like it didn't happen and no cost whatsoever was incurred.
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