Today I'm angry about.....

[thebish]

Just realised, forgot to put the bin out today........another fortnight until they come again....bollocks!

i forgot mine on tuesday... recycling boxes now full and 4 days to go...

Once a week Bish. Oooh, luxury.

recycling every week - rest of rubbish every 2 weeks...

[Montreal Wanderer]

Just realised, forgot to put the bin out today........another fortnight until they come again....bollocks!

i forgot mine on tuesday... recycling boxes now full and 4 days to go...

Once a week Bish. Oooh, luxury.

recycling every week - rest of rubbish every 2 weeks...

Rubbish twice a week here - recycling only once a week.

[TANGODANCER]

Genaral rubbish ( 1 bin) every week. Rest ( cans, bottles, paper, garden waste) every two weeks here.

[Bruce Rioja]

Just realised, forgot to put the bin out today........another fortnight until they come again....bollocks!

i forgot mine on tuesday... recycling boxes now full and 4 days to go...

Once a week Bish. Oooh, luxury.

recycling every week - rest of rubbish every 2 weeks...

Rubbish twice a week here - recycling only once a week.

No idea here. Or as to which day(s) they come round. I love my neighbours.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Rubbish 3 times a week here. Recycling? What's that?

That has been one of the harder transitions for me here. In the UK I recycled as much as I could and composted loads as well. I grew lots of veggies as well. Here I'm lucky to keep the lawn alive and a few herbs. Recycling is really difficult and I'm convinced if I compost I'll end up with a snake in there

[Bijou Bob]

Quarter past ten??!! Is that it?? It feels like I've been at work for HOURS!!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Quarter past ten??!! Is that it?? It feels like I've been at work for HOURS!!

I have been. I got in at seven.

[bwfcdan94]

Genaral rubbish ( 1 bin) every week. Rest ( cans, bottles, paper, garden waste) every two weeks here.

Both once a week for myself, it will not last though and we have this ludicrous bin bag scheme where you get 80 bin bags a year per a household, problem is that means that if you live on you own you have 40 bags left over each year and if you are in a large family say 6 of you in a house then you have to send the children to school with plastic bags full of rubbish every day because the bags will only last a halve a year.

[malcd1]

Genaral rubbish ( 1 bin) every week. Rest ( cans, bottles, paper, garden waste) every two weeks here.

Not from next week Tango. Bolton are going to fortnightly collections for everything. Black bin (general waste) collected one week with the next being recycling only.

[TANGODANCER]

Genaral rubbish ( 1 bin) every week. Rest ( cans, bottles, paper, garden waste) every two weeks here.

Not from next week Tango. Bolton are going to fortnightly collections for everything. Black bin (general waste) collected one week with the next being recycling only.

Didn't know that Malc, cheers. The next new thing will be rickshaw wheelie bikes that we pedal down to the tip and empty ourselves. You heard it here first.

[Gooner Girl]

Not angry so much, more upset, as I keep reading more and more about the Bangladeshi clothing factory tragedy. Am cross and feel a bit helpless that this happened in the first place and that so many people work in such appalling dangerous conditions to make cheap clothing. I will confess that whilst I try and buy the majority of the kids clothes from an eco friendly, ethical company who I know look after their workers, much of my clothing is pretty cheap and bought from shops where I have no idea if they are employing child workers, paying over the minimum wage etc. Most of the time until something like this happens I don't give it much of a second thought and I don't expect most people do. I suspect nothing will change until people are prepared to pay a fair price for clothes and not expect everything so cheap. Fair trade food is easy to find these days, fairly traded clothing far more niche. Just feel a bit sad that even though 300 plus people have died so needlessly its probably not going to actually change much, if anything.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

People need to stop trying to buy the cheapest anything. Food that no one knows what is in it, pumped full of chemicals and shit. Clothes made in sweatshops etc etc. Paying a high price doesn't guarantee anything either - iPhones anyone? If folk were willing to pay a little more then maybe we could make shit in the UK again, enabling us to buy British, ensure working conditions and help our economy out at the same time. A bit radical for our useless politicians though...

[TANGODANCER]

Not angry so much, more upset, as I keep reading more and more about the Bangladeshi clothing factory tragedy. Am cross and feel a bit helpless that this happened in the first place and that so many people work in such appalling dangerous conditions to make cheap clothing. I will confess that whilst I try and buy the majority of the kids clothes from an eco friendly, ethical company who I know look after their workers, much of my clothing is pretty cheap and bought from shops where I have no idea if they are employing child workers, paying over the minimum wage etc. Most of the time until something like this happens I don't give it much of a second thought and I don't expect most people do. I suspect nothing will change until people are prepared to pay a fair price for clothes and not expect everything so cheap. Fair trade food is easy to find these days, fairly traded clothing far more niche. Just feel a bit sad that even though 300 plus people have died so needlessly its probably not going to actually change much, if anything.

Not long back I saw a programme where Pringle sweaters were being made in an almost concentration camp, style factory in North Korea. Wages went straight to the government.

[Gooner Girl]

Not angry so much, more upset, as I keep reading more and more about the Bangladeshi clothing factory tragedy. Am cross and feel a bit helpless that this happened in the first place and that so many people work in such appalling dangerous conditions to make cheap clothing. I will confess that whilst I try and buy the majority of the kids clothes from an eco friendly, ethical company who I know look after their workers, much of my clothing is pretty cheap and bought from shops where I have no idea if they are employing child workers, paying over the minimum wage etc. Most of the time until something like this happens I don't give it much of a second thought and I don't expect most people do. I suspect nothing will change until people are prepared to pay a fair price for clothes and not expect everything so cheap. Fair trade food is easy to find these days, fairly traded clothing far more niche. Just feel a bit sad that even though 300 plus people have died so needlessly its probably not going to actually change much, if anything.

Not long back I saw a programme where Pringle sweaters were being made in an almost concentration camp, style factory in North Korea. Wages went straight to the government.

Indeed, cost can't always be guaranteed as an indicator of good working conditions. There needs to be more transparency between the retailers and the consumers about how their clothes are made.

[thebish]

what do we want? More transparent clothes! errrr...

[Gooner Girl]

what do we want? More transparent clothes! errrr...

Not sure the neighbours would be too impressed if I walked round wearing transparent clothes, pretty sure your congregation might double if you did though...

[thebish]

what do we want? More transparent clothes! errrr...

Not sure the neighbours would be too impressed if I walked round wearing transparent clothes...

it'd be easier to tell if your bum looked big... (which, I hasten to add) it doesn't!

[Bruce Rioja]

Indeed. I read an article a while back about the working conditions and suicide rate amongst Foxconn employees.

A friend of mine is a designer for a large sportswear manufacturer who has to make regular trips to Bangladesh. Part of her remit is to report on the working conditions / check employee records at the factories where they have the stuff made. Although this ticks all the relevant ethical / duty of care boxes for her employers, like she says, she hasn't a clue as to what actually goes on when she isn't there.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

People need to stop trying to buy the cheapest anything. Food that no one knows what is in it, pumped full of chemicals and shit. Clothes made in sweatshops etc etc. Paying a high price doesn't guarantee anything either - iPhones anyone? If folk were willing to pay a little more then maybe we could make shit in the UK again, enabling us to buy British, ensure working conditions and help our economy out at the same time. A bit radical for our useless politicians though...

What's a bit radical for our politicians? You haven't suggested what it is you feel they could do about this.

It would, for example, be illegal within our arrangements with the EU for our government to promote 'buying British'.

And it's hard to put your money where your mouth is... recently I was weighing up whether to spend £220 on a Dyson, and as I looked at all the options, the Henry, the only one completely designed and manufactured in the UK (by Numatic in the South West of England), was attractive for that reason, but end I was swayed by a cheap offer on a Vax manufactured in Asia.

[Prufrock]

Not that I'm suggesting it's a good idea, but, if I remember EU law correctly, there'd be nothing to stop them 'banning'/ disincentivising non-EU stuff. That said, again IIRC, they couldn't do anything to stop/slow say an Italian middleman buying them cheap and selling them on, so it's probably a shit idea for that reason alone.

I looked into the ethical shopping thing after another, less well-publicised, disaster in Bangladesh a few months back when a factory burnt down with workers locked inside. Firstly, it's really hard to do. Clothing-wise they all seem to be at it, to varying degrees. H&M were the worst I think, but I can't remember any I'd heard of being squeaky clean. Secondly, hits to the wallet sway people more. I don't think I'm alone in sticking my fingers in my ears and whistling because it's so much cheaper.

Another point is, even having decided you're going to be 'ethical' it's quite hard to do in confidence. Battery egg vs non-battery is always an interesting one. Now, I'm sure if you buy them from your local farm you can taste the difference and know they're happy chickens, but a bloke in the pub who had worked in one of these places told me (I know, and even by bloke in the pub standards this guy was not particularly trust-worthy, but he had no reason to lie) that the battery eggs and free-range eggs are produced in the same places, and they all go into one pot so to speak. Furthermore, despite being better than battery cages, the free-range ones aren't living in an idyllic pastoral postcard. It's just one big fecking cage with them scratting about inside.