Dougie

[Worthy4England]

@ Worthy: I agree people are entitled to their opinions as there are still some people who are critical of Dougie and raise some valid, interest points. BL3, as respectful as he is when people turn on him, only rears his head when things don't go our way with his negativity and sniping, which has temporarily forced some of our better posters off the board for extended periods of time. Other people will raise similar points to him on occasion and stand by and defend them, he just comes on to snipe and divide us. He doesn't have opinions or else he'd hang around to defend his point for more than a few days or weeks at a time. He's just a periodic troll, but a well versed and respectful one.

There is an ignore button somewhere about. Most of his posts are just designed to get a reaction.

I don't think Dougie got everything right, but like I say, general trend was upwards, so earns another chance to try and build his own squad over the summer in my book (like Megson deserved when he kept us up).

I do think there will be hard questions next season if we don't make the play-offs as a minimum.

[TKIZ!]

Time to introduce a bit of perspective into the Dougie love-in.

I've read that he 'took us from nowhere to 6th'. He actually spent three months taking us from 17th to 20th, via several weeks when we were becalmed in 16th spot. He then took us back up to a final position of 7th, which is effectively 'nowhere', since we can't actually be promoted from that position. Given that there were only a handful of points between the bottom three and the top six for most of the season, this isn't as actually as difficult as it might have been in previous seasons.

He was brought in to win promotion at a club with a wage bill in the top three in the league. He failed. He managed an average of 1.6 ppg over the course of his 33 games in charge, which would have been enough to finish 5th over the course of the season, in a piss-poor league. Even if you add the points he accumulated at Palace to those he won at Bolton, it would still wouldn't have been enough to finish higher than 5th. Mick McCarthy took exactly the same number of points from the same number of games this season with a far worse team.

We didn't get going until February... three months after he took over. We took one point from games against Barnsley, Peterborough and Sheffield Wednesday, teams which were still in danger of going down yesterday. We won three away games all season on his watch. The Championship isn't that complicated. He needs to put the coaching manual down and employ some common sense. He dropped a major bollock with his team selection against Blackpool, added to the one he dropped against Leicester.

It won't be as easy next season because the league can't possibly be as bad as it was this season. Let's hope that Dougie can up his game next season because 1.6ppg won't be anywhere near enough to win promotion. We might just have blown our best chance.

Just want to know and this is a serious question, do you feel the same about Rioch/Allardyce? Both took two seasons to get us promoted to the Premier League, just asking?

Plus what's with the McCarthy love in? McCarthy has proved on numerous occasions that he doesn't have the ability to keep his teams in the Premier League longer than two seasons. That's empirical fact, based on facts

[Wandering Willy]

Problem is if you don't toe the popular line on here you can get treated like a pariah.

You mean like you treating me like a pariah for liking Kevin Davies? Shame on you sir.

Who, me?

[Wandering Willy]

He hasn't got a point. He might have if he'd not defended Coyle

He's made a point and not mentioned Coyle.

Carry on though.

[Vertigo]

Replacing a manager isn't like flicking a switch. It takes time for him, the players and the staff to adjust to new ways of thinking. And within a few weeks it started working. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than following Wolves.

Perhaps we should do a Blackburn and hire a new manager every month until we get one BL3 approves of

[Harry Genshaw]

Once again he has a point.

To stop posting for 3 months when things were going well, then to come on here the day after we miss out on the play offs, with a load of old "Yah boo, told you so" bollox and you think he has a point?

[Wandering Willy]

Once again he has a point.

To stop posting for 3 months when things were going well, then to come on here the day after we miss out on the play offs, with a load of old "Yah boo, told you so" bollox and you think he has a point?

He's put forward a view backed up by facts.

So yes - he has a point.

You've responded with one of these:

So

[SmokinFrazier]

He dropped a major bollock with his team selection against Blackpool, added to the one he dropped against Leicester.

I agree with this.

Freedman's decision to start a 4-5-1 against those two teams cost us several points and I don't think Leicester would be where they are today if we had started the far more proven 4-4-2 yesterday. We looked poor in the game against Leicester, went behind and the only time we looked good was with two strikers up front. Similarly, yesterday we started 4-5-1, went 0-2 down and then switched to 4-4-2 and we won the rest of the game 2-0. Why isn't this clear to people? Every time we've started 4-5-1, I've been critical about it and I haven't once been proven wrong, yet, for whatever reason, the opinion that I have gets stick, rather than the criticism go towards the wrong selection. It isn't my opinion or "negativity" which makes us lose, the wrong formation is. God knows why Freedman thought Butterfield should start against Leicester too, that was simply baffling and a horrible decision.

I like a lot of what Freedman is doing and I expect a few people will be rolling their eyes at what I've said, but I don't think I'm wrong. Going 4-5-1 against Blackpool and Leicester cost us points which would have ensured we'd get into the play-offs. The decision to start 4-5-1 in these two games was as bad as Coyle deciding to play 4-4-2 against Wigan.

Freedman has done a lot of things right but his decisions haven't always been correct. Lets just be honest and give credit where it's due and criticism where it's due. 4-4-2 has been a proven success for us, has delivered the most success of the season, was an integral part of our excellent run and yet in two of the biggest games at the end of the season, Freedman changed it and in those two games, we picked up 1 point. That deserves criticism.

In our last 7 games, we started 4-5-1 three times and 4-4-2 four times. Playing 4-5-1, we got a total of 2 points and playing 4-4-2, we got 12 points. Switching to 4-4-2 also earned us a point against Blackpool. I think that says it all.

[Harry Genshaw]

He's put forward a view backed up by facts.

A view he was too scared to share with us for the last 3 months?

C'mon Willy -He's a troll and doesn't need feeding by either of us.

[gizmothevoomer]

Time to introduce a bit of perspective into the Dougie love-in.

I've read that he 'took us from nowhere to 6th'. He actually spent three months taking us from 17th to 20th, via several weeks when we were becalmed in 16th spot. He then took us back up to a final position of 7th, which is effectively 'nowhere', since we can't actually be promoted from that position. Given that there were only a handful of points between the bottom three and the top six for most of the season, this isn't as actually as difficult as it might have been in previous seasons.

He was brought in to win promotion at a club with a wage bill in the top three in the league. He failed. He managed an average of 1.6 ppg over the course of his 33 games in charge, which would have been enough to finish 5th over the course of the season, in a piss-poor league. Even if you add the points he accumulated at Palace to those he won at Bolton, it would still wouldn't have been enough to finish higher than 5th. Mick McCarthy took exactly the same number of points from the same number of games this season with a far worse team.

We didn't get going until February... three months after he took over. We took one point from games against Barnsley, Peterborough and Sheffield Wednesday, teams which were still in danger of going down yesterday. We won three away games all season on his watch. The Championship isn't that complicated. He needs to put the coaching manual down and employ some common sense. He dropped a major bollock with his team selection against Blackpool, added to the one he dropped against Leicester.

It won't be as easy next season because the league can't possibly be as bad as it was this season. Let's hope that Dougie can up his game next season because 1.6ppg won't be anywhere near enough to win promotion. We might just have blown our best chance.

You contradict yourself in stating that Bolton only took 1 point from Barnsley, Peterborough and Sheffield Wednesday, then state how close the Championship was this year only 14 Pts between sixth place and relegation showing every game is tough in this division. You also forget to mention that after Febuary we beat both Peterborough and Barnsley in Febuary and March, under Dougie having already already beaten Wednesday under Owen Coyle.

You are correct that the Championship next year will be difficult to get out of 15 teams will have Premiership experience, 9 of those in the last three years showing that every game in this division is tough. Dougie has turned around a decline which would in all probability seen us in a similar position to Wolves and Blackburn had the board not acted in removing Owen Coyle. That decline took time to turn around, I am confident that given a full summer to build on one of the better squads in the division.

It is easy for you to be negative in hindsight, if you take Dougies 1.88 pts/game from Febuary over a season then we would have 96 points enough to win the division at a canter, 1.6 pts/game gives us 76 pts enough for the play offs in any season. Dougie doesn't need to up his game, he needs support from fans which he has.

I hope this clarifies you somewhat biased perspective.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

He dropped a major bollock with his team selection against Blackpool, added to the one he dropped against Leicester.

I agree with this.

Freedman's decision to start a 4-5-1 against those two teams cost us several points and I don't think Leicester would be where they are today if we had started the far more proven 4-4-2 yesterday. We looked poor in the game against Leicester, went behind and the only time we looked good was with two strikers up front. Similarly, yesterday we started 4-5-1, went 0-2 down and then switched to 4-4-2 and we won the rest of the game 2-0. Why isn't this clear to people? Every time we've started 4-5-1, I've been critical about it and I haven't once been proven wrong, yet, for whatever reason, the opinion that I have gets stick, rather than the criticism go towards the wrong selection. It isn't my opinion or "negativity" which makes us lose, the wrong formation is. God knows why Freedman thought Butterfield should start against Leicester too, that was simply baffling and a horrible decision.

I like a lot of what Freedman is doing and I expect a few people will be rolling their eyes at what I've said, but I don't think I'm wrong. Going 4-5-1 against Blackpool and Leicester cost us points which would have ensured we'd get into the play-offs. The decision to start 4-5-1 in these two games was as bad as Coyle deciding to play 4-4-2 against Wigan.

Freedman has done a lot of things right but his decisions haven't always been correct. Lets just be honest and give credit where it's due and criticism where it's due. 4-4-2 has been a proven success for us, has delivered the most success of the season, was an integral part of our excellent run and yet in two of the biggest games at the end of the season, Freedman changed it and in those two games, we picked up 1 point. That deserves criticism.

In our last 7 games, we started 4-5-1 three times and 4-4-2 four times. Playing 4-5-1, we got a total of 2 points and playing 4-4-2, we got 12 points. Switching to 4-4-2 also earned us a point against Blackpool. I think that says it all.

You are BL3's alter ego and I claim my five Internet pounds.

[Bruce Rioja]

How did Mick McCarthy's Ipswich finish, anyone?

[Enoch]

How did Mick McCarthy's Ipswich finish, anyone?

Just behind Shaun Dyche's Burnley, but well ahead of 'Barnsley's new manager', whatshisname.

[SmokinFrazier]

He dropped a major bollock with his team selection against Blackpool, added to the one he dropped against Leicester.

I agree with this.

Freedman's decision to start a 4-5-1 against those two teams cost us several points and I don't think Leicester would be where they are today if we had started the far more proven 4-4-2 yesterday. We looked poor in the game against Leicester, went behind and the only time we looked good was with two strikers up front. Similarly, yesterday we started 4-5-1, went 0-2 down and then switched to 4-4-2 and we won the rest of the game 2-0. Why isn't this clear to people? Every time we've started 4-5-1, I've been critical about it and I haven't once been proven wrong, yet, for whatever reason, the opinion that I have gets stick, rather than the criticism go towards the wrong selection. It isn't my opinion or "negativity" which makes us lose, the wrong formation is. God knows why Freedman thought Butterfield should start against Leicester too, that was simply baffling and a horrible decision.

I like a lot of what Freedman is doing and I expect a few people will be rolling their eyes at what I've said, but I don't think I'm wrong. Going 4-5-1 against Blackpool and Leicester cost us points which would have ensured we'd get into the play-offs. The decision to start 4-5-1 in these two games was as bad as Coyle deciding to play 4-4-2 against Wigan.

Freedman has done a lot of things right but his decisions haven't always been correct. Lets just be honest and give credit where it's due and criticism where it's due. 4-4-2 has been a proven success for us, has delivered the most success of the season, was an integral part of our excellent run and yet in two of the biggest games at the end of the season, Freedman changed it and in those two games, we picked up 1 point. That deserves criticism.

In our last 7 games, we started 4-5-1 three times and 4-4-2 four times. Playing 4-5-1, we got a total of 2 points and playing 4-4-2, we got 12 points. Switching to 4-4-2 also earned us a point against Blackpool. I think that says it all.

You are BL3's alter ego and I claim my five Internet pounds.

I'd like to think I can admit it when I'm wrong, which BL3 can't do. I have my opinions on who should play and what formations suits our team most, and in most cases, I've been right with what I've said. Unlike BL3 though, I would have liked nothing more than to have been proven wrong yesterday. I wish we had smashed Blackpool 5-0 and if we had, I'd have been on here holding my hands up, saying I was wrong but obviously that didn't happen. It doesn't please me that I was right though, and I think if Freedman was honest, he'd admit he got it badly wrong.

[BL3]

How did Mick McCarthy's Ipswich finish, anyone?

McCarthy had 33 games in charge and won 53 points.

Freedman had 33 games in charge and won 53 points.

The only difference is that McCarthy did it with a far worse team.

[officer_dibble]

Seriously Mrs Mcarthy. Go and give your fella blowie for such a good season!

[Bruce Rioja]

How did Mick McCarthy's Ipswich finish, anyone?

McCarthy had 33 games in charge and won 53 points.

Freedman had 33 games in charge and won 53 points.

The only difference is that McCarthy did it with a far worse team.

I see that the question was too difficult for you then.

[Relentless09]

How did Mick McCarthy's Ipswich finish, anyone?

McCarthy had 33 games in charge and won 53 points.

Freedman had 33 games in charge and won 53 points.

The only difference is that McCarthy did it with a far worse team.

Who was more entertaining to watch ?

[Tombwfc]

Can they not both have done a pretty good job? Does one have to be shite and the other the second coming?

[Il Pirate]

in a piss-poor league.





You are an absoloute f*cknugget............................................