Today I'm angry about.....

[Lost Leopard Spot]

And as I fxcking said, THIS IS NOT PROGRESS. Cigs were banned indoors for a reason. The rise of e-cigs isn't because of any freedom of action reasons, it:s because some get rich quick person/orgsnisation has spotted a loophole. It is not furthering mankind. It's doing nothing for your health or your wealth if you smoke the shit. It is indefensible on all fxckin levels apart from I want to be a cvnt. Well fine, be one. Just not in my presencedelayed post because previous cvnt took umbrage and came back with friend. Am presently sat in back of police car.

[Prufrock]

If someone drank a glass of grapefruit juice next to you, presumably you wouldn't go mental, but would politely explain the situation and ask them to shift it (if there seemed any actual danger)?

I think you'd have every right to go ape-shit if you'd asked yon mon to stop, explaining why, and he'd refused, but people can't be expected to live their lives mitigating against unforeseeable risks to others. Is everybody who eats peanuts in public inconsiderate?

The reason e-cigs aren't banned isn't a loophole (it may have been initially, but there's been plenty time to change it) but because there is no reason, logical, or empirical, to ban them. The make-up of what you exhale is fundamentally different to smoke. It's chemicals, but so is what you breathe out normally, or the gas inside a can of coke, or almost everything else! There are plenty of scientists out there, some of whom don't work for e-cig companies (!), who say that there is no reason to worry about passively smoking an e-cig. There is no evidence to suggest it does harm others, or that it should. There are concerns (in a 'we don't know', rather than 'we're worried' sense) for those using them, because there is no research on long-term prolonged inhalation of these chemicals, but there is no reason to think they are, or might be, harmful to others.

The nearest I can find suggesting that there is, is a worried woman on mumsnet!

As for progress, does everything we do have to be 'progressive'? Drinking beer is hardly 'progress' either, and I know you're not for banning that !

Anyway, chiill out dude! This is the angry thread, not the psychopathic, violent rage thread!

[as]

Arseholes in pubs smoking e-cigs. It's not progress. Just fxck off.

Thinking it was a real one I tapped someone on the shoulder at a gig recently and told him to take it outside.

Yep, I've just told someone to fxck off. He said something like "It's not illegal" to which I said "neither's farting, but keep doing it in my presence and what I do to you will be. Cvnt." He pissed off but it is getting more and more prevalent.

You'd have got a slap for gobbing off in't north! Then again my local is rougher than Desperate Dan's beard so maybe not everywhere.

Smoking outside pubs is marvellous, they think it's tobacco while you can smoke a cheeky joint in peace

[Lord Kangana]

I think LLS is approaching his Falling Down moment.

[as]

Let's hope he doesn't want the breakfast menu then....

[Lost Leopard Spot]

If someone drank a glass of grapefruit juice next to you, presumably you wouldn't go mental, but would politely explain the situation and ask them to shift it (if there seemed any actual danger)?

I think you'd have every right to go ape-shit if you'd asked yon mon to stop, explaining why, and he'd refused, but people can't be expected to live their lives mitigating against unforeseeable risks to others. Is everybody who eats peanuts in public inconsiderate?

The reason e-cigs aren't banned isn't a loophole (it may have been initially, but there's been plenty time to change it) but because there is no reason, logical, or empirical, to ban them. The make-up of what you exhale is fundamentally different to smoke. It's chemicals, but so is what you breathe out normally, or the gas inside a can of coke, or almost everything else! There are plenty of scientists out there, some of whom don't work for e-cig companies (!), who say that there is no reason to worry about passively smoking an e-cig. There is no evidence to suggest it does harm others, or that it should. There are concerns (in a 'we don't know', rather than 'we're worried' sense) for those using them, because there is no research on long-term prolonged inhalation of these chemicals, but there is no reason to think they are, or might be, harmful to others.

The nearest I can find suggesting that there is, is a worried woman on mumsnet!

As for progress, does everything we do have to be 'progressive'? Drinking beer is hardly 'progress' either, and I know you're not for banning that !

Anyway, chiill out dude! This is the angry thread, not the psychopathic, violent rage thread!

Yeh well sitting in the back of a police car while waiting for a 'telling off' doesn't help alleviate any of the anger. Not in my case anyway, it just, as you said, turns it into bitter psychopathic rage.
Anyway I asked the scrote to move, and he got lippy quoting his fxcking rights, so I told him to move. I've done that with others: people with children, smelly people, people standing in front of the fire like it's their own living room. The reason for asking him not to smoke the e-fag and the reason for inviting him to piss off were two different separate reasons, interconnected only by circumstance.
He moved, he left the pub. And then came back with scrote numero duo. Scrotes 1&2 then proceeded to deliberately smoke the fxckin e-faggettes on the table next to mine, at which point my rage ranneth over and I 'escorted' scrote 2 outside (leaving scrote 1 opening and closing his mouth like a fish out of water: he didn't expect that). Unfortunately I escorted scrotet outside straight into the arms of the police - who unbeknownst to me had been called by the bar staff as soon as scrote 2 had arrived. He is, apparently, well known about town and banned from most of the pubs. So I got a telling off from the rozzers, whilst scrote 2 got carted off - it transpired that in addition to the e-fags he was carrying more chemicals than Assad's army.
So I might have calmed down a bit this morning, but I'll still be enraged by any tw*t that smokes one of those fxcking things in my face next time.
As for your evidence that it doesn't harm others - there is none either for or against. Nobody on this planet has ever or ever will test every chemical in combination with every other chemical to see what the effects on the body are. I mentioned grapefruit to show you that even so called innocuous substances can have devastating consequences when ingested with other stuff. And the idea that I'm only ingesting chemically altered breath is patently nonsense - there is as much of the original crap hanging in a plume above and around e-smokers as there is in their lungs. Plus nobody knows what's actuaaly in the solvent that carries the nicotine: yes I know it is supposedly harmless, but as they become more prevalent and BATobacco etc want to maximise profits the manufacture of that shxt will be delegated out to cowboys who will put any crap in so long as it's cheap.
And of course it's exploiting a loophole - it started out as a loophole and it will be the new profit horizon for the giant American Tobacco companies - they are pouring millions into it. Politicians have been paid off. Loss leading shops are being opened. Schoolchildren and youths are being targeted. In fifty years time it will be the new tobacco scandal.
Oh good the future's rosy some nice person has invented a new way of pumping nicotine into the body. Tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Arseholes in pubs smoking e-cigs. It's not progress. Just fxck off.

Thinking it was a real one I tapped someone on the shoulder at a gig recently and told him to take it outside.

Yep, I've just told someone to fxck off. He said something like "It's not illegal" to which I said "neither's farting, but keep doing it in my presence and what I do to you will be. Cvnt." He pissed off but it is getting more and more prevalent.

You'd have got a slap for gobbing off in't north! Then again my local is rougher than Desperate Dan's beard so maybe not everywhere.

Smoking outside pubs is marvellous, they think it's tobacco while you can smoke a cheeky joint in peace

And you're the second person who's mentioned me living down south. The largest big city I live close to is Sheffield - hardly darn sarf.

[Il Pirate]

..............I have to take drugs just to stay alive.......



I hope they're for blood pressure LLS, 'cos you're going to explode there fella. Anger is fine, we all get angry, but when that anger turns to aggression, you want to have a word with yourself, or you'll be doing yourself more damage than any fvckin' e cigs, proper cigs or a Cheech & Chong stylee blunt will ever do........

[Lost Leopard Spot]

..............I have to take drugs just to stay alive.......



I hope they're for blood pressure LLS, 'cos you're going to explode there fella. Anger is fine, we all get angry, but when that anger turns to aggression, you want to have a word with yourself, or you'll be doing yourself more damage than any fvckin' e cigs, proper cigs or a Cheech & Chong stylee blunt will ever do........

I'm ginger, it's genetic. It goes away as quickly as it arrives.

[TANGODANCER]

Wow, is this the same L.L.S who not long back was telling us about riding around pissed, on a motorbike with no helmet, crashing red lights, walking about barefoot just because he chose to and doing the whole "Let's go to San Francisco, make love not war and fxck the world" . Now he's going to drag folk outside who dare to be in the same pub as him puffing an electronic cig that's breaking no rules except his own and beat the crap out of them? Kinell, how are the mighty fallen. Where's all that "Equal rights for all and all that" disappeared to?
Get a fxcking grip Spotty, ffs.

[Lord Kangana]

Don't start him off, he was only just calming down from the last episode.

[Prufrock]

If someone drank a glass of grapefruit juice next to you, presumably you wouldn't go mental, but would politely explain the situation and ask them to shift it (if there seemed any actual danger)?

I think you'd have every right to go ape-shit if you'd asked yon mon to stop, explaining why, and he'd refused, but people can't be expected to live their lives mitigating against unforeseeable risks to others. Is everybody who eats peanuts in public inconsiderate?

The reason e-cigs aren't banned isn't a loophole (it may have been initially, but there's been plenty time to change it) but because there is no reason, logical, or empirical, to ban them. The make-up of what you exhale is fundamentally different to smoke. It's chemicals, but so is what you breathe out normally, or the gas inside a can of coke, or almost everything else! There are plenty of scientists out there, some of whom don't work for e-cig companies (!), who say that there is no reason to worry about passively smoking an e-cig. There is no evidence to suggest it does harm others, or that it should. There are concerns (in a 'we don't know', rather than 'we're worried' sense) for those using them, because there is no research on long-term prolonged inhalation of these chemicals, but there is no reason to think they are, or might be, harmful to others.

The nearest I can find suggesting that there is, is a worried woman on mumsnet!

As for progress, does everything we do have to be 'progressive'? Drinking beer is hardly 'progress' either, and I know you're not for banning that !

Anyway, chiill out dude! This is the angry thread, not the psychopathic, violent rage thread!

Yeh well sitting in the back of a police car while waiting for a 'telling off' doesn't help alleviate any of the anger. Not in my case anyway, it just, as you said, turns it into bitter psychopathic rage.
Anyway I asked the scrote to move, and he got lippy quoting his fxcking rights, so I told him to move. I've done that with others: people with children, smelly people, people standing in front of the fire like it's their own living room. The reason for asking him not to smoke the e-fag and the reason for inviting him to piss off were two different separate reasons, interconnected only by circumstance.
He moved, he left the pub. And then came back with scrote numero duo. Scrotes 1&2 then proceeded to deliberately smoke the fxckin e-faggettes on the table next to mine, at which point my rage ranneth over and I 'escorted' scrote 2 outside (leaving scrote 1 opening and closing his mouth like a fish out of water: he didn't expect that). Unfortunately I escorted scrotet outside straight into the arms of the police - who unbeknownst to me had been called by the bar staff as soon as scrote 2 had arrived. He is, apparently, well known about town and banned from most of the pubs. So I got a telling off from the rozzers, whilst scrote 2 got carted off - it transpired that in addition to the e-fags he was carrying more chemicals than Assad's army.
So I might have calmed down a bit this morning, but I'll still be enraged by any tw*t that smokes one of those fxcking things in my face next time.
As for your evidence that it doesn't harm others - there is none either for or against. Nobody on this planet has ever or ever will test every chemical in combination with every other chemical to see what the effects on the body are. I mentioned grapefruit to show you that even so called innocuous substances can have devastating consequences when ingested with other stuff. And the idea that I'm only ingesting chemically altered breath is patently nonsense - there is as much of the original crap hanging in a plume above and around e-smokers as there is in their lungs. Plus nobody knows what's actuaaly in the solvent that carries the nicotine: yes I know it is supposedly harmless, but as they become more prevalent and BATobacco etc want to maximise profits the manufacture of that shxt will be delegated out to cowboys who will put any crap in so long as it's cheap.
And of course it's exploiting a loophole - it started out as a loophole and it will be the new profit horizon for the giant American Tobacco companies - they are pouring millions into it. Politicians have been paid off. Loss leading shops are being opened. Schoolchildren and youths are being targeted. In fifty years time it will be the new tobacco scandal.
Oh good the future's rosy some tw*t has invented a new way of pumping nicotine into the body. Tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts

Yeah all right. And the moon landings were faked and George Bush planned 9/11.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Yeah all right. And the moon landings were faked and George Bush planned 9/11.

They are obviously conspiracy theories. I don't think e-fags are a conspiracy theory.
Anyway get your arse back onto the Connect Two thread you've got mail...

[as]

Arseholes in pubs smoking e-cigs. It's not progress. Just fxck off.

Thinking it was a real one I tapped someone on the shoulder at a gig recently and told him to take it outside.

Yep, I've just told someone to fxck off. He said something like "It's not illegal" to which I said "neither's farting, but keep doing it in my presence and what I do to you will be. Cvnt." He pissed off but it is getting more and more prevalent.

You'd have got a slap for gobbing off in't north! Then again my local is rougher than Desperate Dan's beard so maybe not everywhere.

Smoking outside pubs is marvellous, they think it's tobacco while you can smoke a cheeky joint in peace

And you're the second person who's mentioned me living down south. The largest big city I live close to is Sheffield - hardly darn sarf.

Alreet then - you'd have got a slap in Tonge Moor - those Yorkies are obviously softy Walters!

Obese people bother me but I don't feel the need to shout 'have some self-respect, you embarrassing blobby c*nt!' on an off day.

Smoke a blunt, it has little effect on your lungs and you won't feel the need to become He-Man next time someone annoys you

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Alreet then - you'd have got a slap in Tonge Moor - those Yorkies are obviously softy Walters!

Obese people bother me but I don't feel the need to shout 'have some self-respect, you embarrassing blobby c*nt!' on an off day.

Smoke a blunt, it has little effect on your lungs and you won't feel the need to become He-Man next time someone annoys you

You want to try it sometime. It has a surprisingly cathartic effect.

[boltonboris]

I love how you're angry about potentially having to inhale chemicals that are most probably completely harmless and scent free, whilst at the same time (probably) drinking a potentially fatal, smelly and highly addictive substance.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I love how you're angry about potentially having to inhale chemicals that are most probably completely harmless and scent free, whilst at the same time (probably) drinking a potentially fatal, smelly and highly addictive substance.

I've got a choice about what I drink, I think it's fair to have a choice about what I inhale.
Here is a fact that I'll never be able to prove but it is a fact anyway. If the smoking ban had not happened then e-cigs would not have been invented. And if e-cigs were banned in the same way as fags (i.e. allowed but outside) I doubt a single sale of e-cigs would take place.

[Prufrock]

I have an e-cig and don't smoke it inside so I'm not convinced by that. I have it because it's way healthier, but I go outside or else I'd have it all the time and then want more real 'uns. Still don't have it at the pub though, booze requires a real one.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I have an e-cig and don't smoke it inside so I'm not convinced by that. I have it because it's way healthier, but I go outside or else I'd have it all the time and then want more real 'uns. Still don't have it at the pub though, booze requires a real one.

Do you know, it never occurred to me that I might be addressing 'the enemy' as it were. Nicotine is addictive - for that very reason it is bad for you. Something that's bad for you cannot be healthy. Give it up all of it! Here endeth the preaching.

[TANGODANCER]

I love how you're angry about potentially having to inhale chemicals that are most probably completely harmless and scent free, whilst at the same time (probably) drinking a potentially fatal, smelly and highly addictive substance.

I've got a choice about what I drink, I think it's fair to have a choice about what I inhale.
Here is a fact that I'll never be able to prove but it is a fact anyway. If the smoking ban had not happened then e-cigs would not have been invented. And if e-cigs were banned in the same way as fags (i.e. allowed but outside) I doubt a single sale of e-cigs would take place.

I wouldn't worry long-term LLS. At the rate pubs are still closing, you'll soon be staying home quaffing supermarket booze anyway. You're winning. Sorted.