bloody norah... :-(

[Hoboh]

I have always wondered why moderate Muslims allow these nut job types to hijack their Mosques? There always seems to be a muted limited response to atrocities committed in their name, never any more than what they are expected to say, yet they allow the radicals to carry on running things regardless. Western society would be screaming for these people to be removed from their posts.

[thebish]

I have always wondered why moderate Muslims allow these nut job types to hijack their Mosques? There always seems to be a muted limited response to atrocities committed in their name, never any more than what they are expected to say, yet they allow the radicals to carry on running things regardless. Western society would be screaming for these people to be removed from their posts.

yet Cameron and Osborne remain in post.....

[BWFC_Insane]

You see .... I can get my head around why this may be an issue, but it does example how these matters can be handled insensitively and lead to counter (no pun intended) reaction and things rapidly taking on a magnitude beyond it's actual merit.

I foresee Morrison's needing to find a way of backing off sooner or later.

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This kind of thing drives me bonkers. Quite easy to see why they dont want folk who handle food wearing wrist bands. You're right though - because of what that wrist band shows support for, there'll be some manufactured outrage and Morrisons will be seen as the baddy, other than the daft git who refused to take it off and presumably ran crying to the press.

Morrison's are shite anyway so whose fussed?

Having been a couple of times to Morrison's in Bolton it maybe fear of upsetting their customer base that is behind it. You see, look at folks hands in the 'fresh' department, how many wrist watches and rings on view? No difference!

Ermmm they have a dresscode that states no wristbands. Employee flouted this rule and was asked twice to remove it.

He refused twice.

So basically the employee is a dickhead and Morrisons have done things correctly.

Mind food hygiene is probably on your list of "bad things". Suspect you're quite happy if everyone gets salmonella or e coli.......

[Il Pirate]

[quote="Hoboh"]I have always wondered why moderate Muslims allow these nut job types to hijack their Mosques? There always seems to be a muted limited response to atrocities committed in their name, never any more than what they are expected to say, yet they allow the radicals to carry on running things regardless. Western society would be screaming for these people to be removed from their posts.[/quote]


I'll raise yer, Bush & Blair...........................................

[Hoboh]

You see .... I can get my head around why this may be an issue, but it does example how these matters can be handled insensitively and lead to counter (no pun intended) reaction and things rapidly taking on a magnitude beyond it's actual merit.

I foresee Morrison's needing to find a way of backing off sooner or later.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-22689008" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This kind of thing drives me bonkers. Quite easy to see why they dont want folk who handle food wearing wrist bands. You're right though - because of what that wrist band shows support for, there'll be some manufactured outrage and Morrisons will be seen as the baddy, other than the daft git who refused to take it off and presumably ran crying to the press.

Morrison's are shite anyway so whose fussed?

Having been a couple of times to Morrison's in Bolton it maybe fear of upsetting their customer base that is behind it. You see, look at folks hands in the 'fresh' department, how many wrist watches and rings on view? No difference!

Ermmm they have a dresscode that states no wristbands. Employee flouted this rule and was asked twice to remove it.

He refused twice.

So basically the employee is a dickhead and Morrisons have done things correctly.

Mind food hygiene is probably on your list of "bad things". Suspect you're quite happy if everyone gets salmonella or e coli.......

Did we all die from it 30 or 40 years ago before 'elf n safety and food hygiene laws cropped up? Its the bloody processed food not the way it's handled that's the problem!

[Hoboh]

I have always wondered why moderate Muslims allow these nut job types to hijack their Mosques? There always seems to be a muted limited response to atrocities committed in their name, never any more than what they are expected to say, yet they allow the radicals to carry on running things regardless. Western society would be screaming for these people to be removed from their posts.[/quote]


I'll raise yer, Bush & Blair...........................................

What are they in charge of now? well what of any great meaning?

Democracy!
(And not Egypt's Muslim idea of democracy either)

[BWFC_Insane]

You see .... I can get my head around why this may be an issue, but it does example how these matters can be handled insensitively and lead to counter (no pun intended) reaction and things rapidly taking on a magnitude beyond it's actual merit.

I foresee Morrison's needing to find a way of backing off sooner or later.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-22689008" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This kind of thing drives me bonkers. Quite easy to see why they dont want folk who handle food wearing wrist bands. You're right though - because of what that wrist band shows support for, there'll be some manufactured outrage and Morrisons will be seen as the baddy, other than the daft git who refused to take it off and presumably ran crying to the press.

Morrison's are shite anyway so whose fussed?

Having been a couple of times to Morrison's in Bolton it maybe fear of upsetting their customer base that is behind it. You see, look at folks hands in the 'fresh' department, how many wrist watches and rings on view? No difference!

Ermmm they have a dresscode that states no wristbands. Employee flouted this rule and was asked twice to remove it.

He refused twice.

So basically the employee is a dickhead and Morrisons have done things correctly.

Mind food hygiene is probably on your list of "bad things". Suspect you're quite happy if everyone gets salmonella or e coli.......

Did we all die from it 30 or 40 years ago before 'elf n safety and food hygiene laws cropped up? Its the bloody processed food not the way it's handled that's the problem!

Ermm yes people got food poisoning 30 or 40 years ago. Probably killed more people then too. Food used to spread typhoid and all sorts of nasty things.

Food poisoning is not caused by "processed food" but rather by spoiled food or poor hygiene in preparation. Which can of course occur with processed food that is incorrectly prepared, but equally can occur with farm fresh food that has been incorrectly prepared.

You don't have to get me started on the shitness of supermarket processed crap. But that is a totally irrelvant point to an employer asking their member of staff to do something (for a valid reason laid out in a pre-existing staff policy) that the member of staff refused to do, twice.

I'm glad Morissons take their food prep and handling seriously. I might go and shop there more often now.

[bobo the clown]

The guy's jumped a bandwagon. Morrison's appear to have subsequently reappraised their policies and adapted them .... good for them. They have walked into a shitstorm not of their making and the whole thing taken out of scale proportions.

It really shouldn't be complicated to have him told you can wear approved items in dry areas, but in food areas food hygiene rules have to apply. Indeed, if Morrison's ignored those they'd be liable to prosecution however "good" the cause is.

The outcome isn't concluded yet, but the blokes run off to the press and provided copies of his investigation/disciplinary letter. That, in itself, is another misdemeanour. One thing's a near certainty, the guy will have some previous.


Frankly I'd LOVE to be dealing with it .... but I'm bloody odd.

[BWFC_Insane]

...opinions aside - facts are important..

...unnecessary ill-feeling from all 'sides'.

the reflex response is going to lead to what we see here with a lot of froth and very little thought.

To start, a definition. Philosophy: a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour

People are people. I don't give a flying fxck what language they speak, what customs they follow, what colour their skin is, or what physical appearance they display to the world. But philosophies, they are different, they are chosen by people who act upon them; even if they are deliberately inculcated by the previous generation into their children, there is still a matter of choice as to whether the philosophy is enacted or not.
Germany in the twenties, thirties, and forties was infected by a philosophy of National Socialism - it led to evil deeds. Are we saying all Germans are evil: I think not, I think what we postulate is that some Germans persuaded the vast majority of their fellow citizens to follow a philosophy that some others in the world felt was abhorrent.

So a bloke is beheaded on the streets of London, by a couple of Muslims, for purposes that they ascribe to their religion. They are converts to that religion, which means they chose it of their own free will. As they were not born to it I think it throws a spotlight on just what it is that attracts people to this philosophy, and a lot of it appears to me to be repugnant. I respond by saying I abhor Islam, and some of you on here take that to mean I abhor Muslims. As part of the ‘argument’, not that, you will note, anybody engaged me in the points I’d raised, I had racist xenophobic mud slung my way. But to get back to what I said then… you know that thing some on here claim doesn’t exist – a war by Muslims that is ongoing and widespread, prosecuted by a vast number of that religion labelled as the Religion of Peace. Just froth, William the White accused me of spouting. Well here below are some facts as asked for. This stuff has all happened since the beheading in London. It has all taken place by Muslims and in the name of Allah. You may or may not (depending upon your philosophy) be aghast…

• Thurs May 23rd Agadez, Niger. 26 killed, 63 injured (French, Niger and Mali citizens) unknown number of hostages taken. Car bombs and assault. The Movement for Unity and Jihad in West Africa claims responsibility.
• Thurs May 23rd Qusayr, Syria. Abu Sakkar, founder of the Farouq brigade, leads his troops into battle and repeats his message to President Assad “I swear to Allah we will eat your hearts and your livers, you soldiers of Bashar the dog”. Posted by Qusayr Islamic Media Centre. [This a few days after he was actually filmed doing precisely that, eating a person’s raw heart].
• Fri May 24th Kabul, Afghanistan. Car bomb, suicide bomber, and assault. 16 dead, unknown numbers wounded (20+) as Taleban assault the UN Agency International Organisation for Migration. Taleban claim it was their mujahideen as part of the Taliban spring offensive against Christian Crusaders.
• Fri May 24th the radical Islamic government of Sudan under Omar al-Bashir (anthem: ‘Nahnu Jund Allah’, “We are the Soldiers of God”) drop bombs from converted Antonov cargo planes on four villages north of Abyei in the Nubia Mountains. Unknown number of dead but 40+ reported.
• Sat May 25th Makhachkala, Dagestan, Russia. A female suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt killing herself and killing or injuring 12+ people including two children. Madina Alieva approached a police post in the central square before yelling “Allahu Akbar” (“God is Great”)
• Sat May 25th Tripoli, Lebanon. Fighting between Sunni Muslims and Shia and Alawite Muslims spreads from Syria into Lebanon. Dozens dead in the first few days of the extended conflict. Hezbollah (“The Party of Allah”) leadership declares that victory will be theirs.
• Sat May 25th Abdidugow and Damajale, Kenya. 6 people killed by al-Shabaab gunmen who cross the Somali-Kenya border and burn police stations. Al-Shabaab describes itself as waging jihad against "enemies of Islam",
• Sun May 26th Mombassa, Kenya. Followers of the imam Aboud Rogo involved in a shoot out with Kenyan police after they had tried to arrest a number of people on terrorism charges. 2 dead.
• Mon May 27th Baghdad, Iraq. Car bombs kill 66+ and an unknown number in the hundreds injured. At least one four year old boy killed as Sunni insurgents set off a wave of coordinated car bombs targeting Shia Muslims, whom they regard as apostates.
• Mon May 27th Makhachkala, Dagestan. Two car bombs kill at least four people and wound dozens. Responsibility claimed by the Caucasus Emirate a group fighting to establish a pan-Islamist state.


And do we forget that the only two countries in the world that still have state sponsored executions by beheading are Saudi Arabia and Iran, the leading centres and guardians of Sunni and Shia Islam.
And do we forget that in both countries harsh laws are effected by Religious Police, and that women are treated like shit in both countries – or is that OK because they aren’t ‘our’ women, living in our country, just a bunch of Arab women so it doesn’t matter?

I list the above, not because I’m leading a crusade against anything, I list the above precisely because I abhor philosophies that lead crusades against things. I fear some of you may have missed the point. It wasn’t me stood besides a headless body crying God is Great. And those of you who think that act was perpetrated by nutters or just individuals or a small minority, I think you’ll find that that small minority runs into the hundreds of thousands maybe even the millions and yes they are all individuals and maybe some of them are nutters but I think you’ll find the root cause is, like the Nazis, the philosophy they are espousing. I think you'll find Pru that the unnecessary ill feeling being generated here is by the followers of Islam. The question is what can be done about it? I fear the answer is – bugger all.

And before you dismiss all this, I can see the point that some of you are making insofar as not all muslims believe in this Caliphate business, or want to proselytise a radical version of sharia on us all, but the trouble is once an idea, a philosophy, has been hijacked by unsavoury types it is difficult repatriating that idea back to its roots. It is almost impossible when the roots of that philosophy are actually based on conquest as the Arab Caliphate and the spread of Islam was, and utterly impossible when murderous impulses are released just because somebody writes a book or draws a cartoon that might be a little insulting to those of a very sensitive nature who inhabit this philosophy…

And just to spell it out I have no fellow feeling for the potato head that held up the placard reading sport are troops. I abhor his view. I have no truck with their philosophy either. I am a nemesis to the ghost of National Socialism in all its forms and guises. But for feck sake to denounce one doesn’t mean you can’t denounce the other. National Socialism and Islam share the same failings. Both are assailing our society.

Do you not think though that much of the violence is down to a feeling that the Arab world and the Muslim world have been persecuted and pillaged by the West? I mean they have been to an extent. That is unarguable. Radicalism usually forms out of poverty and repression. Now just like here people are continually told of the Muslim terror threat, I suspect in many countries such as Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan etc they are continually told about the West's "persecution" of their people. I suspect that is more how radicals are made rather than as a direct result of Islam. And whilst Islam is used as a means to justify actions I don't suspect there would be that many radicals if these countries were prosperous and their people contented (to be clear I'm not saying that isn't partly their own fault....).

If the mindset is that you are done down by the West then overreaction to cartoons and other trivial things is highly possible.

The mirror image happens in our society. In a recession, unemployment up, Cameron's "happiness measure" down, and suddenly people are looking at Europe as a major issue. But it also happens with anti-Muslim rhetoric or beliefs or news or whatever you want to call it. Something happens and suddenly Mosques are attacked, innocent people have their car windows smashed and their houses spray-painted.

For me we live in a successful society (overall), I mean we're very lucky to be where we are. It doesn't take much imagination to imagine things being a bit shitter and then imagining what the Mosque attacking, car smashing, spray painting mob might do in those circumstances where they feel they've got not much left to lose.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Do you not think though that much of the violence is down to a feeling that the Arab world and the Muslim world have been persecuted and pillaged by the West? I mean they have been to an extent. That is unarguable. Radicalism usually forms out of poverty and repression. Now just like here people are continually told of the Muslim terror threat, I suspect in many countries such as Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan etc they are continually told about the West's "persecution" of their people. I suspect that is more how radicals are made rather than as a direct result of Islam. And whilst Islam is used as a means to justify actions I don't suspect there would be that many radicals if these countries were prosperous and their people contented (to be clear I'm not saying that isn't partly their own fault....).

If the mindset is that you are done down by the West then overreaction to cartoons and other trivial things is highly possible.

The mirror image happens in our society. In a recession, unemployment up, Cameron's "happiness measure" down, and suddenly people are looking at Europe as a major issue. But it also happens with anti-Muslim rhetoric or beliefs or news or whatever you want to call it. Something happens and suddenly Mosques are attacked, innocent people have their car windows smashed and their houses spray-painted.

For me we live in a successful society (overall), I mean we're very lucky to be where we are. It doesn't take much imagination to imagine things being a bit shitter and then imagining what the Mosque attacking, car smashing, spray painting mob might do in those circumstances where they feel they've got not much left to lose.

I think you are oversimplifying it to the extent of almost dismissing it. If it was purely down to poverty then the favelas in Brazil would be an armed nest of dangerous desperadoes. If poverty plays such a key part in it why are there riots taking place in Husby in Stockholm Sweden, by muslim youths rioting against the famously intolerant Swedish state and authorities. Sweden is hardly poverty central.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

...and the Muslim world have been persecuted and pillaged by the West? I mean they have been to an extent. That is unarguable.

So for example, when did the Pashtun areas, the Federally administrated tribal areas of north west Pakistan, the very centre of the Taliban revival, when at any time in history were they pillaged and persecuted by the west.
The Pakistanis hardly control it, the British never did, even at the height of the Raj it was outside of any European empire. So when precisely did we pillage and persecute these Pashtuns? The straightforward answer is we didn't.

[BWFC_Insane]

Do you not think though that much of the violence is down to a feeling that the Arab world and the Muslim world have been persecuted and pillaged by the West? I mean they have been to an extent. That is unarguable. Radicalism usually forms out of poverty and repression. Now just like here people are continually told of the Muslim terror threat, I suspect in many countries such as Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan etc they are continually told about the West's "persecution" of their people. I suspect that is more how radicals are made rather than as a direct result of Islam. And whilst Islam is used as a means to justify actions I don't suspect there would be that many radicals if these countries were prosperous and their people contented (to be clear I'm not saying that isn't partly their own fault....).

If the mindset is that you are done down by the West then overreaction to cartoons and other trivial things is highly possible.

The mirror image happens in our society. In a recession, unemployment up, Cameron's "happiness measure" down, and suddenly people are looking at Europe as a major issue. But it also happens with anti-Muslim rhetoric or beliefs or news or whatever you want to call it. Something happens and suddenly Mosques are attacked, innocent people have their car windows smashed and their houses spray-painted.

For me we live in a successful society (overall), I mean we're very lucky to be where we are. It doesn't take much imagination to imagine things being a bit shitter and then imagining what the Mosque attacking, car smashing, spray painting mob might do in those circumstances where they feel they've got not much left to lose.

I think you are oversimplifying it to the extent of almost dismissing it. If it was purely down to poverty then the favelas in Brazil would be an armed nest of dangerous desperadoes. If poverty plays such a key part in it why are there riots taking place in Husby in Stockholm Sweden, by muslim youths rioting against the famously intolerant Swedish state and authorities. Sweden is hardly poverty central.

Equally if it was Islam at total fault then every Muslim in the world would have a bomb strapped to their backs right now. I don't think it's as simple as one or the other.

It's a bit like saying Catholicism turns people into paedos...or the Crusades demonstrated that Christianity is evil......

There are a lot of complex factors at play, Islam being one of them. But for me radicalisation requires a number of conditions to be met. Nazi Germany being a prime example. On that note and this is definitely not a criticism because we're having a good discussion, but it still troubles me when people in the outside world and on here (not you LLS) have said things like "I hate the Muslims". Because apart from a) probably being a bit racist to hate billions of people purely based on their shared religion, it b) just sort of draws parallels (though clearly not with the same end results before anyone starts) to the scapegoating of the Jews by the Nazi's in the 1930's. I feel a bit that we're heading down that road (again not to Nazi Germany per se) but to a point where certain sections of our society will just hate Muslims because they are poor, unhappy and badly educated, and are fed an easy target by our media and even our politicians in some cases. But most of all they are fed the target by radical Muslims themselves. Which is an uncomfortable place to be in for me at least, because I can definitely see that sections of our society could become so divided by hate that we end up with a very unpleasant situation.

I'm probably not vocalising this all that well. I am no massive fan of organised religion in any form. But I also feel that it's labels are misused by many people and it's a convenient excuse for a lot of bad actions. Equally I feel for people like thebish who clearly do excellent work that often goes unnoticed that probably isn't going to be provided by anyone else. And also aren't trying to indoctrinate people into their faith or whatever.

On a lower human level, when I see some nutjob chopping someone to bits, or going on a rampage and shooting hundreds of kids in a school, I don't personally see "Muslim" "White American Christian" I just see a nutjob who has incredibly, horrifically take someone or some people's lives. The cause for me is somewhat irrelevant. We definitely have to do something to prevent radical terrorists or nutjobs of any persuasion from causing harm. Easier, said than done though!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Do you not think though that much of the violence is down to a feeling that the Arab world and the Muslim world have been persecuted and pillaged by the West? I mean they have been to an extent. That is unarguable. Radicalism usually forms out of poverty and repression. Now just like here people are continually told of the Muslim terror threat, I suspect in many countries such as Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan etc they are continually told about the West's "persecution" of their people. I suspect that is more how radicals are made rather than as a direct result of Islam. And whilst Islam is used as a means to justify actions I don't suspect there would be that many radicals if these countries were prosperous and their people contented (to be clear I'm not saying that isn't partly their own fault....).

If the mindset is that you are done down by the West then overreaction to cartoons and other trivial things is highly possible.

The mirror image happens in our society. In a recession, unemployment up, Cameron's "happiness measure" down, and suddenly people are looking at Europe as a major issue. But it also happens with anti-Muslim rhetoric or beliefs or news or whatever you want to call it. Something happens and suddenly Mosques are attacked, innocent people have their car windows smashed and their houses spray-painted.

For me we live in a successful society (overall), I mean we're very lucky to be where we are. It doesn't take much imagination to imagine things being a bit shitter and then imagining what the Mosque attacking, car smashing, spray painting mob might do in those circumstances where they feel they've got not much left to lose.

I think you are oversimplifying it to the extent of almost dismissing it. If it was purely down to poverty then the favelas in Brazil would be an armed nest of dangerous desperadoes. If poverty plays such a key part in it why are there riots taking place in Husby in Stockholm Sweden, by muslim youths rioting against the famously intolerant Swedish state and authorities. Sweden is hardly poverty central.

Equally if it was Islam at total fault then every Muslim in the world would have a bomb strapped to their backs right now. I don't think it's as simple as one or the other.

It's a bit like saying Catholicism turns people into paedos...or the Crusades demonstrated that Christianity is evil......

There are a lot of complex factors at play, Islam being one of them. But for me radicalisation requires a number of conditions to be met. Nazi Germany being a prime example. On that note and this is definitely not a criticism because we're having a good discussion, but it still troubles me when people in the outside world and on here (not you LLS) have said things like "I hate the Muslims". Because apart from a) probably being a bit racist to hate billions of people purely based on their shared religion, it b) just sort of draws parallels (though clearly not with the same end results before anyone starts) to the scapegoating of the Jews by the Nazi's in the 1930's. I feel a bit that we're heading down that road (again not to Nazi Germany per se) but to a point where certain sections of our society will just hate Muslims because they are poor, unhappy and badly educated, and are fed an easy target by our media and even our politicians in some cases. But most of all they are fed the target by radical Muslims themselves. Which is an uncomfortable place to be in for me at least, because I can definitely see that sections of our society could become so divided by hate that we end up with a very unpleasant situation.

I'm probably not vocalising this all that well. I am no massive fan of organised religion in any form. But I also feel that it's labels are misused by many people and it's a convenient excuse for a lot of bad actions. Equally I feel for people like thebish who clearly do excellent work that often goes unnoticed that probably isn't going to be provided by anyone else. And also aren't trying to indoctrinate people into their faith or whatever.

On a lower human level, when I see some nutjob chopping someone to bits, or going on a rampage and shooting hundreds of kids in a school, I don't personally see "Muslim" "White American Christian" I just see a nutjob who has incredibly, horrifically take someone or some people's lives. The cause for me is somewhat irrelevant. We definitely have to do something to prevent radical terrorists or nutjobs of any persuasion from causing harm. Easier, said than done though!

I agree with every single thing you say there with one tiny caveat, but out of the generosity of spirit that you have displayed in discussing it, I won't bother to mention the caveat. Let's just say we broadly agree that humanity hasn't even started to grow up and there is a lot a shit perpetrated by fanatics under all kinds of labels.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

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I endorse most of Russell Brand's analysis, but I admit my non-expert prejudice that those looking to their 'indigenous theology for validation' of their rage will find it more easily in Islam than in other religions.

[BWFC_Insane]

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I endorse most of Russell Brand's analysis, but I admit my non-expert prejudice that those looking to their 'indigenous theology for validation' of their rage will find it more easily in Islam than in other religions.

Jeez I agree with Russell Brand. I never ever thought I'd say those words in a sentence!

[Hoboh]

The extremists on both sides have a shared agenda: to cause division, distrust, anger and violence. Both sides have the same intention. We cannot allow them to distort our perception.

Unfortunatly we do allow this by treating them as 'Humans' with 'Rights'.

[William the White]

The extremists on both sides have a shared agenda: to cause division, distrust, anger and violence. Both sides have the same intention. We cannot allow them to distort our perception.

Unfortunatly we do allow this by treating them as 'Humans' with 'Rights'.

Which makes us better than them. Which is a place I'm happy to be. It's a shame you are not.

[Hoboh]

The extremists on both sides have a shared agenda: to cause division, distrust, anger and violence. Both sides have the same intention. We cannot allow them to distort our perception.

Unfortunatly we do allow this by treating them as 'Humans' with 'Rights'.

Which makes us better than them. Which is a place I'm happy to be. It's a shame you are not.

In your head it does! Me I'd just rather be safe and amble through life dealing with enough sh*te that we already have without these types.

[thebish]

but it still troubles me when people in the outside world and on here (not you LLS) have said things like "I hate the Muslims".

to be fair to LLS, he DID say something very much like that....

when asked by WtW:

Do you think it might be a good idea to differentiate between hating or detesting Islam and hating and detesting Jihadists?

LLS replied:

No.
I don't. Any tw*t that believes in that shite is abhorrent to me.

[BWFC_Insane]

but it still troubles me when people in the outside world and on here (not you LLS) have said things like "I hate the Muslims".

to be fair to LLS, he DID say something very much like that....

when asked by WtW:

Do you think it might be a good idea to differentiate between hating or detesting Islam and hating and detesting Jihadists?

LLS replied:

No.
I don't. Any tw*t that believes in that shite is abhorrent to me.

Yeah, I guess. I mean I think it depends on whether LLS meant those believing in the "political Islam" or every Muslim in the world.....

It's somewhat of a minefield. I'm sure you've heard the "I don't like them Muslims" comments or read them, perhaps not so much where you are in the world now but anyhow... LLS has a thought through position and clearly understand the potential pitfalls of what he thinks. I don't necessarily agree but this is a tough line to tread.