The "Nothing to see here"Transfer thread

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Alonso is the biggest loss so far. He has potential and I hope he can go on and maximise it.

Eagles, I don't think that he will be a big loss and can be replaced.

Alonso has already been replaced. Alonso couldn't defend.

No great loss.

Eagles was our best attacking player last season, by a large distance.

Not a chance of finding a player to provide the goals and assists he did without spending a lot.

Already been established that you are a bigot.

Alonso has been improving steadily with game time, something that your bigotry is incapable of acknowledging.

He has been replaced with Tierney, who I hope will do well. Potential wise I know who has more

Eagles goes missing often. If he stays happy days, if he goes, he can be replaced. What did you say about Lee being replaced with an up and downer? Why not Eagles.

Perhaps you should check out Eagles contribution in terms of goals and assists last season and then compare that to Lee's record.

If Eagles goes 'missing often' then Lee must have fecking vanished for the majority.....

I don't need to check out anything and I'm not sure why you feel the need to compare players

If we are doing that then I know who has shown the most at the top level. Hopefully Lee will return from his injury and be as good as before, if you put your bigotry to one side, I'm sure you will agree.

What's all this 'bigot' stuff?

[ChrisC]

Out of interest, who do people think we could get to replace Eagles goals (12) and assists (12)?

I cant think of more than one midfielder (Almen Abdi) who came close?

I have no idea! but then - there was no huge campaign for us to sign Eagles before Coyle signed him - and now he seems to be the crown jewels!

I'm happy to trust that Dougie knows what he's doing...

He isn't the crown jewels by any stretch of the imagination but I just don't think his goals and assists could be replaced for 3 million or so. It wouldn't be such a big deal if we actually had a striker who scored plenty. I think Eagles was our overall top scorer last season wasn't he? So whilst not the crown jewels he is still a very important part of the team until his goals and assists are replaced or the burden spread.

[ChrisC]

Whilst it is inescapable fact that Eagles scores a fair few and has lots of assists, I think it is just as important to acknowledge that he takes more shots than the rest of the team put together and a fair number of them trickle weakly, either at the keep or well wide. It easy to say he was top scorer/assister, but what was the cost to us in lost opportunity by continually taking crap pot shots/going missing?

It is too simplistic to just look at his goals (which isn't an amazing number by any means) and assists. He is valuable to us as a player, but I do question whether a more consistent, maybe less talented player, would be more valuable over the course of a season. That said, I'd want more than 3.5m for him to give Dougie a chance to buy a striker that can score goals at this level.

It isn't IMO. Without his goals and assists last season we would have been closer to relegation than the playoffs. He scored and assisted a third of our goals for the season. I just hope Dougie brings in a top goalscorer which he apparently wants and then Eagles won't be as essential as he has been.

Yes he has lots of shots on goal but he is one of very few players in the current squad willing to run at goal and have a go rather than pass it back or sideways. We aren't a very effective unit at the moment and that should be a priority for Dougie this pre season.

[Prufrock]

Alonso is the biggest loss so far.

Eagles, I don't think that he will be a big loss

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Whilst it is inescapable fact that Eagles scores a fair few and has lots of assists, I think it is just as important to acknowledge that he takes more shots than the rest of the team put together and a fair number of them trickle weakly, either at the keep or well wide. It easy to say he was top scorer/assister, but what was the cost to us in lost opportunity by continually taking crap pot shots/going missing?

It is too simplistic to just look at his goals (which isn't an amazing number by any means) and assists. He is valuable to us as a player, but I do question whether a more consistent, maybe less talented player, would be more valuable over the course of a season. That said, I'd want more than 3.5m for him to give Dougie a chance to buy a striker that can score goals at this level.

It isn't IMO. Without his goals and assists last season we would have been closer to relegation than the playoffs. He scored and assisted a third of our goals for the season. I just hope Dougie brings in a top goalscorer which he apparently wants and then Eagles won't be as essential as he has been.

Yes he has lots of shots on goal but he is one of very few players in the current squad willing to run at goal and have a go rather than pass it back or sideways. We aren't a very effective unit at the moment and that should be a priority for Dougie this pre season.

Quite. But presumably Dougie would have the option of replacing him with some of the received cash. Yes, last season we would have been stuffed without him, but that doesn't mean he can't be replaced and the team improved overall. If we continue to rely on an inconsistent player like Eagles then we should forget about Premiership football for now.

We need a team that is better for the sum of it's parts, not held together by a couple of players and luck.

[BWFC_Insane]

Eagles scored more last season than Lee has in his entire Bolton career.

The return from injury stuff is bollocks as well. Lee made a couple of sub appearances at the end of the season we went down. Then had a full pre season.

Then a full season.

Lee at his best wouldn't have been able to lead the charge in an attacking sense, in the same way Eagles did last season. Eagles can win games at this level, Lee is merely a cog in a team, and for large parts last season a not particularly effective one.

Anyhow the point being that selling your top scorer, top chance creator and statistically and factually best attacking player from the season before is not likely to be a great idea unless you have no choice. Frankly of all the players we've got Eagles is the one I'd most want us to hang on to.

Again I ask why you feel the need to compare Lee and Eagles, when the gossip is Cardiff are interested in Eagles.

However, as usual for you in order to prove your points you omit important facts.

At what level has Lee mainly played at for Bolton, could it be in a league where you are up against better players so its harder to score?

I take it that you have never suffered a bad injury and played sports if you think that coming back is that easy well

Saying that Lee at his best in this division wouldn't have been effective, well what evidence have you of this because I could quite come out with that Lee would have scored 25 goals and been player of the season but I won't because I really don't know how he would have done as its opinion.

Ultimately what I and you think about selling as Lee doesn't mean anything as the club will decide. However it appears that I unlike you have faith in Duggie to find a replacement should he be sold.

Why am I comparing? Cos you asked the question.

I'd be quite happy to keep Lee and Eagles. But Lee would be easier to replace.

Lets not forget in the top flight Eagles scored 4 last season as many as Lee has ever scored.

We know Eagles can make a big impact at this level. There is no evidence at all that Lee ever will.

I'd still maintian that selling our best goal threat is just not a good move unless we have no choice.

[BWFC90]

Out of interest, who do people think we could get to replace Eagles goals (12) and assists (12)?

I cant think of more than one midfielder (Almen Abdi) who came close?

Maybe Orlandi? I know he got a fair few assists, not sure about goals mind..

[BWFC_Insane]

Whilst it is inescapable fact that Eagles scores a fair few and has lots of assists, I think it is just as important to acknowledge that he takes more shots than the rest of the team put together and a fair number of them trickle weakly, either at the keep or well wide. It easy to say he was top scorer/assister, but what was the cost to us in lost opportunity by continually taking crap pot shots/going missing?

It is too simplistic to just look at his goals (which isn't an amazing number by any means) and assists. He is valuable to us as a player, but I do question whether a more consistent, maybe less talented player, would be more valuable over the course of a season. That said, I'd want more than 3.5m for him to give Dougie a chance to buy a striker that can score goals at this level.

It isn't IMO. Without his goals and assists last season we would have been closer to relegation than the playoffs. He scored and assisted a third of our goals for the season. I just hope Dougie brings in a top goalscorer which he apparently wants and then Eagles won't be as essential as he has been.

Yes he has lots of shots on goal but he is one of very few players in the current squad willing to run at goal and have a go rather than pass it back or sideways. We aren't a very effective unit at the moment and that should be a priority for Dougie this pre season.

Quite. But presumably Dougie would have the option of replacing him with some of the received cash. Yes, last season we would have been stuffed without him, but that doesn't mean he can't be replaced and the team improved overall. If we continue to rely on an inconsistent player like Eagles then we should forget about Premiership football for now.

We need a team that is better for the sum of it's parts, not held together by a couple of players and luck.

Rather an inconsistent player who scores 12 a season than a 'consistent one' who gets less!

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Whilst it is inescapable fact that Eagles scores a fair few and has lots of assists, I think it is just as important to acknowledge that he takes more shots than the rest of the team put together and a fair number of them trickle weakly, either at the keep or well wide. It easy to say he was top scorer/assister, but what was the cost to us in lost opportunity by continually taking crap pot shots/going missing?

It is too simplistic to just look at his goals (which isn't an amazing number by any means) and assists. He is valuable to us as a player, but I do question whether a more consistent, maybe less talented player, would be more valuable over the course of a season. That said, I'd want more than 3.5m for him to give Dougie a chance to buy a striker that can score goals at this level.

It isn't IMO. Without his goals and assists last season we would have been closer to relegation than the playoffs. He scored and assisted a third of our goals for the season. I just hope Dougie brings in a top goalscorer which he apparently wants and then Eagles won't be as essential as he has been.

Yes he has lots of shots on goal but he is one of very few players in the current squad willing to run at goal and have a go rather than pass it back or sideways. We aren't a very effective unit at the moment and that should be a priority for Dougie this pre season.

Quite. But presumably Dougie would have the option of replacing him with some of the received cash. Yes, last season we would have been stuffed without him, but that doesn't mean he can't be replaced and the team improved overall. If we continue to rely on an inconsistent player like Eagles then we should forget about Premiership football for now.

We need a team that is better for the sum of it's parts, not held together by a couple of players and luck.

Rather an inconsistent player who scores 12 a season than a 'consistent one' who gets less!

So a consistent one that scores 10, contributes lots to the team overall is out of the question then? Didn't realise we were playing Championship Manager 1st edition

[BWFC_Insane]

Whilst it is inescapable fact that Eagles scores a fair few and has lots of assists, I think it is just as important to acknowledge that he takes more shots than the rest of the team put together and a fair number of them trickle weakly, either at the keep or well wide. It easy to say he was top scorer/assister, but what was the cost to us in lost opportunity by continually taking crap pot shots/going missing?

It is too simplistic to just look at his goals (which isn't an amazing number by any means) and assists. He is valuable to us as a player, but I do question whether a more consistent, maybe less talented player, would be more valuable over the course of a season. That said, I'd want more than 3.5m for him to give Dougie a chance to buy a striker that can score goals at this level.

It isn't IMO. Without his goals and assists last season we would have been closer to relegation than the playoffs. He scored and assisted a third of our goals for the season. I just hope Dougie brings in a top goalscorer which he apparently wants and then Eagles won't be as essential as he has been.

Yes he has lots of shots on goal but he is one of very few players in the current squad willing to run at goal and have a go rather than pass it back or sideways. We aren't a very effective unit at the moment and that should be a priority for Dougie this pre season.

Quite. But presumably Dougie would have the option of replacing him with some of the received cash. Yes, last season we would have been stuffed without him, but that doesn't mean he can't be replaced and the team improved overall. If we continue to rely on an inconsistent player like Eagles then we should forget about Premiership football for now.

We need a team that is better for the sum of it's parts, not held together by a couple of players and luck.

Rather an inconsistent player who scores 12 a season than a 'consistent one' who gets less!

So a consistent one that scores 10, contributes lots to the team overall is out of the question then? Didn't realise we were playing Championship Manager 1st edition

Yeah but you're acting like Eagles was just a goalscorer and nowt else. He created a fair few and was our main creative player, especially without Mark Davies.

End of the season when it really mattered he was the one who pushed to get us over the line in an attacking sense. Took the responsibility on and was our main attacking threat, actually nay, our only real attacking threat.

On his game, give Eagles the ball and he makes stuff happen.

I'd take a bit of inconsistency for what he offers.

He's the only really creative midfield player we've got whilst Davies is injured anyhow. We need to add another of those in there rather than sell the one we've got IMO....

[bobo the clown]

I fail to see why people would see him as some great white hope at Premiership level. A good stock swuad playet yes, but hardly a must have, first purchase following promotion sort of purchase.

I'd rather he stayed but if he exits and we get good money then good luck to him.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Yeah but you're acting like Eagles was just a goalscorer and nowt else. He created a fair few and was our main creative player, especially without Mark Davies.

End of the season when it really mattered he was the one who pushed to get us over the line in an attacking sense. Took the responsibility on and was our main attacking threat, actually nay, our only real attacking threat.

On his game, give Eagles the ball and he makes stuff happen.

I'd take a bit of inconsistency for what he offers.

He's the only really creative midfield player we've got whilst Davies is injured anyhow. We need to add another of those in there rather than sell the one we've got IMO....

I'm not acting like anything. I think he is a decent player, but nowhere consistent enough to be considered anything else. By selling we may lose our top scorer last season, but it may enable Dougie to gain more in who he brings in. You seem to think we can either have Eagles and 12 goals, or something worse. I believe otherwise.

[Tombwfc]

Eagles played in 43 games last season. He scored or was credited with an assist in 20 of them. While I accept he obviously lost his way in the middle of the season, how much more effective do we expect our players to be?

We didn't massively improve after shipping out the last two midfielders whom it was suggested did nothing but score goals, I wouldn't expect it to be any different if we got rid of Eagles.

[Worthy4England]

Eagles played in 43 games last season. He scored or was credited with an assist in 20 of them. While I accept he obviously lost his way in the middle of the season, how much more effective do we expect our players to be?

We didn't massively improve after shipping out the last two midfielders whom it was suggested did nothing but score goals, I wouldn't expect it to be any different if we got rid of Eagles.

Eagles had a pretty good season all in all, was up there in the top two or three performers for us across the season as a whole. Wouldn't be the end of the world if he went for decent money, but I'd rather keep him to be honest.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Eagles had a pretty good season all in all, was up there in the top two or three performers for us across the season as a whole. Wouldn't be the end of the world if he went for decent money, but I'd rather keep him to be honest.

Pretty much this, although I'd lean more toward worry than most. Comparisons to Lee or anyone else are a bit of a red herring; the point is he was one of our most effective players last season. Perhaps Freedman, who dropped him when he dipped and brought him back in fighting form, can improve that effectiveness - but probably not if he's not here.

For what it's worth I wouldn't expect him to contribute quite as many goals and assists next season, but mainly because I would expect more from other members of the team. There were times last term, especially early on, when he was carrying us. We need more heroes next time, but that doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with this summer's comprehensive bathwater-draining.

[thebish]

Rather an inconsistent player who scores 12 a season than a 'consistent one' who gets less!

who is it that consistently scores 12 a season? you've lost me!

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Rather an inconsistent player who scores 12 a season than a 'consistent one' who gets less!

who is it that consistently scores 12 a season? you've lost me!

I think he means Eagles. Oh wait, he's scored 12 in a season twice in his career

[BWFC_Insane]

Rather an inconsistent player who scores 12 a season than a 'consistent one' who gets less!

who is it that consistently scores 12 a season? you've lost me!

I think he means Eagles. Oh wait, he's scored 12 in a season twice in his career

Whatever his history he's still far and away the best and at the end of the season practically the only attacking threat we've got.

Why people would want to sell that rather than add to it is beyond me.

Find a striker who can score some goals, a quicker more direct winger to provide a different threat and we will be a stronger team, WITH Eagles in there.

[thebish]

Rather an inconsistent player who scores 12 a season than a 'consistent one' who gets less!

who is it that consistently scores 12 a season? you've lost me!

I think he means Eagles. Oh wait, he's scored 12 in a season twice in his career

Whatever his history he's still far and away the best and at the end of the season practically the only attacking threat we've got.

Why people would want to sell that rather than add to it is beyond me.

i don't think anyone has said they want to sell him..

have they?

(apart from you a couple of months ago saying you wanted us to get rid of every single one of the useless feckers!)

[SmokinFrazier]

I don't mind Eagles but I wouldn't be too annoyed if we sold him. Assuming we sign a good left winger, which is a necessity, I'd only have him in the team until Mark Davies is fit again and beyond that, he'd be a squad player for me. He's good but I want someone better and more consistent for the starting 11.

For what it's worth, whilst Eagles has scored quite a few goals for us, that doesn't tell the whole story. His 12 goals came from 142 shots, which I imagine is over double what anyone else in the side attempted. N'Gog is criticised for his shooting ability yet he scores every 6 shots whereas Eagles scores every 12, so lets put all these scoring statistics into perspective. You can't have one greedy player shooting every time he's in the final third of the pitch when there are better passing options.