The "Nothing to see here"Transfer thread

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't mind Eagles but I wouldn't be too annoyed if we sold him. Assuming we sign a good left winger, which is a necessity, I'd only have him in the team until Mark Davies is fit again and beyond that, he'd be a squad player for me. He's good but I want someone better and more consistent for the starting 11.

For what it's worth, whilst Eagles has scored quite a few goals for us, that doesn't tell the whole story. His 12 goals came from 142 shots, which I imagine is over double what anyone else in the side attempted. N'Gog is criticised for his shooting ability yet he scores every 6 shots whereas Eagles scores every 12, so lets put all these scoring statistics into perspective. You can't have one greedy player shooting every time he's in the final third of the pitch when there are better passing options.

The whole story is he also created more goals than anyone else in our side and was 3rd in the division for assists behind only Tom Ince and Robbie Brady. One of those is already a premiership player next season, the other is likely to be.

So if the picture you are trying to paint is of a greedy 'shot hogger' it's not entirely accurate.

I'm not entirely sure what the amounts of shots has to do with anything. I mean I'd be delighted if others had got themselves into goalscoring positions as regularly but they didn't.

Fact is he was our most effective attacking player last season, by some way. There is no getting away with that.

Everyone accepts he is inconsistent at times. However, inspite of that inconsistency he was still better than the rest we had.

[Worthy4England]

I don't mind Eagles but I wouldn't be too annoyed if we sold him. Assuming we sign a good left winger, which is a necessity, I'd only have him in the team until Mark Davies is fit again and beyond that, he'd be a squad player for me. He's good but I want someone better and more consistent for the starting 11.

For what it's worth, whilst Eagles has scored quite a few goals for us, that doesn't tell the whole story. His 12 goals came from 142 shots, which I imagine is over double what anyone else in the side attempted. N'Gog is criticised for his shooting ability yet he scores every 6 shots whereas Eagles scores every 12, so lets put all these scoring statistics into perspective. You can't have one greedy player shooting every time he's in the final third of the pitch when there are better passing options.

As a counterpoint to this, how many times last season did N'gog try and pass the ball when he should have shot?

Davies wouldn't get in, in front of Eagles for me. He might get in, in front of N'gog.

[HMX]

Would be daft to sell him. Keep hold if we can.

[thebish]

For what it's worth, whilst Eagles has scored quite a few goals for us, that doesn't tell the whole story. His 12 goals came from 142 shots, which I imagine is over double what anyone else in the side attempted. N'Gog is criticised for his shooting ability yet he scores every 6 shots whereas Eagles scores every 12, so lets put all these scoring statistics into perspective. You can't have one greedy player shooting every time he's in the final third of the pitch when there are better passing options.

hmmm... not sure it really stacks up that Ngog is starved of shooting chances because Eagles is greedy - that's crazy talk!! Ngog doesn't have as many shots cos he's scared of shooting - he just won't pull the trigger...

[TANGODANCER]

You can't have one greedy player shooting every time he's in the final third of the pitch when there are better passing options.

Some of which finish up with Bogdan leathering the last one into the stands. Not all mind, but some..

[jaffka]

Eagles scored more last season than Lee has in his entire Bolton career.

The return from injury stuff is bollocks as well. Lee made a couple of sub appearances at the end of the season we went down. Then had a full pre season.

Then a full season.

Lee at his best wouldn't have been able to lead the charge in an attacking sense, in the same way Eagles did last season. Eagles can win games at this level, Lee is merely a cog in a team, and for large parts last season a not particularly effective one.

Anyhow the point being that selling your top scorer, top chance creator and statistically and factually best attacking player from the season before is not likely to be a great idea unless you have no choice. Frankly of all the players we've got Eagles is the one I'd most want us to hang on to.

Again I ask why you feel the need to compare Lee and Eagles, when the gossip is Cardiff are interested in Eagles.

However, as usual for you in order to prove your points you omit important facts.

At what level has Lee mainly played at for Bolton, could it be in a league where you are up against better players so its harder to score?

I take it that you have never suffered a bad injury and played sports if you think that coming back is that easy well

Saying that Lee at his best in this division wouldn't have been effective, well what evidence have you of this because I could quite come out with that Lee would have scored 25 goals and been player of the season but I won't because I really don't know how he would have done as its opinion.

Ultimately what I and you think about selling as Lee doesn't mean anything as the club will decide. However it appears that I unlike you have faith in Duggie to find a replacement should he be sold.

Why am I comparing? Cos you asked the question.

I'd be quite happy to keep Lee and Eagles. But Lee would be easier to replace.

Lets not forget in the top flight Eagles scored 4 last season as many as Lee has ever scored.

We know Eagles can make a big impact at this level. There is no evidence at all that Lee ever will.

I'd still maintian that selling our best goal threat is just not a good move unless we have no choice.

No I didn't, you have just gone off on one.

I remind you for the third time that its is Cardiff are interested in Eagles. Not Eagles or Lee and Bolton must decide who to sell.

[BWFC_Insane]

Why am I comparing? Cos you asked the question.

I'd be quite happy to keep Lee and Eagles. But Lee would be easier to replace.

Lets not forget in the top flight Eagles scored 4 last season as many as Lee has ever scored.

We know Eagles can make a big impact at this level. There is no evidence at all that Lee ever will.

I'd still maintian that selling our best goal threat is just not a good move unless we have no choice.

No I didn't, you have just gone off on one.

I remind you for the third time that its is Cardiff are interested in Eagles. Not Eagles or Lee and Bolton must decide who to sell.

Ahh so two pages back you didn't ask....

Eagles goes missing often. If he stays happy days, if he goes, he can be replaced. What did you say about Lee being replaced with an up and downer? Why not Eagles.

[jaffka]

Why am I comparing? Cos you asked the question.

I'd be quite happy to keep Lee and Eagles. But Lee would be easier to replace.

Lets not forget in the top flight Eagles scored 4 last season as many as Lee has ever scored.

We know Eagles can make a big impact at this level. There is no evidence at all that Lee ever will.

I'd still maintian that selling our best goal threat is just not a good move unless we have no choice.

No I didn't, you have just gone off on one.

I remind you for the third time that its is Cardiff are interested in Eagles. Not Eagles or Lee and Bolton must decide who to sell.

Ahh so two pages back you didn't ask....

Eagles goes missing often. If he stays happy days, if he goes, he can be replaced. What did you say about Lee being replaced with an up and downer? Why not Eagles.

Well you read what you want but I don't see anywhere in that saying Lee needs to go before Eagles. Carry on.

[BWFC_Insane]

Why am I comparing? Cos you asked the question.

I'd be quite happy to keep Lee and Eagles. But Lee would be easier to replace.

Lets not forget in the top flight Eagles scored 4 last season as many as Lee has ever scored.

We know Eagles can make a big impact at this level. There is no evidence at all that Lee ever will.

I'd still maintian that selling our best goal threat is just not a good move unless we have no choice.

No I didn't, you have just gone off on one.

I remind you for the third time that its is Cardiff are interested in Eagles. Not Eagles or Lee and Bolton must decide who to sell.

Ahh so two pages back you didn't ask....

Eagles goes missing often. If he stays happy days, if he goes, he can be replaced. What did you say about Lee being replaced with an up and downer? Why not Eagles.

Well you read what you want but I don't see anywhere in that saying Lee needs to go before Eagles. Carry on.

You asked why I was comparing Lee and Eagles.

I then explained it was because you'd asked a question about Lee and Eagles and their ability to be replaced in my opinion.

You then denied asking said question and accused me of 'going off on one'.

I've shown you the question you asked, where you very much asked for my reasoning behind Lee being easier to replace than Eagles.

Perhaps you'd care to apologise for your mistake old sport?

[thebish]

^ streuth! are you two STILL at it???

[Enoch]

[Sponge]

Christ, this forum is tedious at the moment. Dougie better start signing people quick.

[Jez]

I like eagles but hes not consistent

[Worthy4England]

I like eagles but hes not consistent

A reasonable observation, but how many of our team are consistent, week in and week out?

Part of the reason some players sell for £15m and others for £3m, is the consistency factor.

Spearing probably edged it on consistency for me last season, but he still had a good few "not at his best" games.

Then when I start to look around the rest of the team, I say not many of them were consistent top performers throughout the season.

[malcd1]

^ streuth! are you two STILL at it???

Posted in jest of course!

Many a true word said in jest.

[Prufrock]

^ streuth! are you two STILL at it???

Maybe Tango and you could give them some lessons on resolving disputes.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Davies wouldn't get in, in front of Eagles for me. He might get in, in front of N'gog.

In front of Ngog? A centre-forward called Davies? Nah...

[Worthy4England]

Davies wouldn't get in, in front of Eagles for me. He might get in, in front of N'gog.

In front of Ngog? A centre-forward called Davies? Nah...

No sir, not as a centre forward. If we had a 5 in MF and an out n out Klasnic up front.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Davies wouldn't get in, in front of Eagles for me. He might get in, in front of N'gog.

In front of Ngog? A centre-forward called Davies? Nah...

No sir, not as a centre forward. If we had a 5 in MF and an out n out Klasnic up front.

Trouble is, if you only have one up top he has to be pacy (so the defence doesn't pay a high line to strangle your midfield) and a very willing runner, so Klas would strike out twice there. Oh, and your frontman would also have to contribute a lot of goals - unless your midfielders all chip in a fair few (eg Allardyce's Euro-qualifying Wanderers). Which is why I wouldn't be pleased to see Eagles fly the nest; he and Mark Davies could both fit in a fluid 4-2-3-1, although I'm yet to be convinced we have the complete '1'.

[BWFC_Insane]

Davies wouldn't get in, in front of Eagles for me. He might get in, in front of N'gog.

In front of Ngog? A centre-forward called Davies? Nah...

No sir, not as a centre forward. If we had a 5 in MF and an out n out Klasnic up front.

Trouble is, if you only have one up top he has to be pacy (so the defence doesn't pay a high line to strangle your midfield) and a very willing runner, so Klas would strike out twice there. Oh, and your frontman would also have to contribute a lot of goals - unless your midfielders all chip in a fair few (eg Allardyce's Euro-qualifying Wanderers). Which is why I wouldn't be pleased to see Eagles fly the nest; he and Mark Davies could both fit in a fluid 4-2-3-1, although I'm yet to be convinced we have the complete '1'.

Sums it up for me. In a 5, Eagles goals would be even more useful as would his ability to play right across the pitch.

Mark Davies started to excel when Dougie put him slightly deeper and he could pull the strings from there. When he's fit that's what I can see him doing.