Today I'm happy about......

[Dujon]

I read the other day a couple of collected reminiscences written by Emily Carr (I think, but can check if need be). She was something of an artist and was interested in totem poles. Her research and travels seem to have been concentrated on Vancouver Island, including the immediate vicinity of Victoria, as well as a number of remote islands - some of which were a few days distant even in a powered vessel. Perhaps Vancouver Island is too far south but she always refers to the native inhabitants as 'Indian' and their sea-going craft as 'canoes'. Some of those canoes must have been hefty, as many carried itinerant Indian families (children, dogs, cats et al) along with their worldly possessions, food and trading goods (if any).

Perhaps Monty might expand on that should he be able.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I read the other day a couple of collected reminiscences written by Emily Carr (I think, but can check if need be). She was something of an artist and was interested in totem poles. Her research and travels seem to have been concentrated on Vancouver Island, including the immediate vicinity of Victoria, as well as a number of remote islands - some of which were a few days distant even in a powered vessel. Perhaps Vancouver Island is too far south but she always refers to the native inhabitants as 'Indian' and their sea-going craft as 'canoes'. Some of those canoes must have been hefty, as many carried itinerant Indian families (children, dogs, cats et al) along with their worldly possessions, food and trading goods (if any).

Perhaps Monty might expand on that should he be able.

OOh! Er! yes, well, Emily Carr was a noted Canadian artist and writer, who was centred around BC. I am a bit surprised that an Australian has ever heard of her. She was interested in Indians and there were many in Vancouver Island (not sure what you mean by 'too far South'). Canoes are associated with Indians (we call them First Nations if we are PC) while kayaks are associated with Eskimos (they are far to the north of Emily Carr) though we call them Inuit if we are PC. The canoes could be big and carry all that stuff and they could have made voyages of many days - but not in the open sea. The Inuit took their kayaks to the open sea to hunt, not to move family and migrate. Vancouver Island is one of thousands off the coast of BC, but none are that far from land and all can be reached by canoe. I have never heard of decked-in ocean going canoes, unlike kayaks, but perhaps Seanworth could fill us in further.

[Bruce Rioja]

Awaking to the sound of birdsong coming from the hedgerow through an open bedroom window, with sunlight creeping through the blinds. Our five days of summer are finally here.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I read the other day a couple of collected reminiscences written by Emily Carr (I think, but can check if need be). She was something of an artist and was interested in totem poles. Her research and travels seem to have been concentrated on Vancouver Island, including the immediate vicinity of Victoria, as well as a number of remote islands - some of which were a few days distant even in a powered vessel. Perhaps Vancouver Island is too far south but she always refers to the native inhabitants as 'Indian' and their sea-going craft as 'canoes'. Some of those canoes must have been hefty, as many carried itinerant Indian families (children, dogs, cats et al) along with their worldly possessions, food and trading goods (if any).

Perhaps Monty might expand on that should he be able.

OOh! Er! yes, well, Emily Carr was a noted Canadian artist and writer, who was centred around BC. I am a bit surprised that an Australian has ever heard of her. She was interested in Indians and there were many in Vancouver Island (not sure what you mean by 'too far South'). Canoes are associated with Indians (we call them First Nations if we are PC) while kayaks are associated with Eskimos (they are far to the north of Emily Carr) though we call them Inuit if we are PC. The canoes could be big and carry all that stuff and they could have made voyages of many days - but not in the open sea. The Inuit took their kayaks to the open sea to hunt, not to move family and migrate. Vancouver Island is one of thousands off the coast of BC, but none are that far from land and all can be reached by canoe. I have never heard of decked-in ocean going canoes, unlike kayaks, but perhaps Seanworth could fill us in further.

The Inuit nicked kayaks (the idea, not actually going around stealing them) from the Aleuts, though we still call them Aleuts if we are PC, or slitty-eyed Asians if you are Prince Philip.

[Worthy4England]

Awaking to the sound of birdsong coming from the hedgerow through an open bedroom window, with sunlight creeping through the blinds. Our five days of summer are finally here.

I should probably put this on the angry thread, but I originally had this week booked off - golfing for the use of - changed it to next week, for some really arcane reasons. Just know I'll awake to the sound of dripping water from the hedgerow, with all the birds huddled round a brazier for warmth.

[TANGODANCER]

16 days without a cigarette (first time ever). Admitted, I don't look too happy, that's cos it's fxcking hard. Oh, and Spotty, you don't like the vapour, stay out of my corner.

[Annoyed Grunt]

Bolton's own Don Juan........

[William the White]

16 days without a cigarette (first time ever). Admitted, I don't look too happy, that's cos it's fxcking hard. Oh, and Spotty, you don't like the vapour, stay out of my corner.

Keep going - six months on you will be so glad... And whenever the wife tells you not to waste money on 'X' - you just say, well I don't smoke...

[clapton is god]

Well done, Tango. Keep it going!

[thebish]

Bolton's own Don JuanDone One........

fixed that for you!

good going Tango! keep it up!

[bobo the clown]

Bolton's own Don JuanDone One........

fixed that for you!

good going Tango! keep it up!

Brill. 16 days will soon become ..... well, 17.

Excellent though, really.

[Dujon]

OOh! Er! yes, well, Emily Carr was a noted Canadian artist and writer, who was centred around BC. I am a bit surprised that an Australian has ever heard of her. She was interested in Indians and there were many in Vancouver Island (not sure what you mean by 'too far South'). Canoes are associated with Indians (we call them First Nations if we are PC) while kayaks are associated with Eskimos (they are far to the north of Emily Carr) though we call them Inuit if we are PC. The canoes could be big and carry all that stuff and they could have made voyages of many days - but not in the open sea. The Inuit took their kayaks to the open sea to hunt, not to move family and migrate. Vancouver Island is one of thousands off the coast of BC, but none are that far from land and all can be reached by canoe. I have never heard of decked-in ocean going canoes, unlike kayaks, but perhaps Seanworth could fill us in further.

*chuckles* Sorry, Monty, for dropping you into it with a question without notice - although your rapid pass of the puck to seanworth has been noted.

Yes my 'too far south' comment was related to the Indian/Inuit geographical divide and the assumed differences in water craft. As far as sea-going craft and my own definitions are concerned anything that leaves an estuary and ventures beyond the surf line is a sea-going craft; even a surfboard, though the cargo space is a bit limited.

How un-PC you can be, Monty. I take offence at your intentional slur of my fellow residents of this fine and cultured country. Ms Carr's writings (I'm pleased to have recalled correctly her name) I found interesting and educational. They (her writings) vary from quaint to warm to sad and, to be honest, to horrifying. The latter in the main being her references to the infant mortality rate. I'm all a-waffling again. Sorry.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

16 days without a cigarette (first time ever). Admitted, I don't look too happy, that's cos it's fxcking hard. Oh, and Spotty, you don't like the vapour, stay out of my corner.

I'm keeping well away from your corner... you look quite capable of flying into a homicidal rage, but I'm not too sure that's just down to nicotine deprivation.

[Annoyed Grunt]

16 days without a cigarette (first time ever). Admitted, I don't look too happy, that's cos it's fxcking hard. Oh, and Spotty, you don't like the vapour, stay out of my corner.

I'm keeping well away from your corner... you look quite capable of flying into a homicidal rage, but I'm not too sure that's just down to nicotine deprivation.

[Burnden Paddock]

Happy, nay bloody delighted to have saved £120+ on my car insurance.

How the feck can one insurer provide a renewal quote of £370, whilst another provides a quote of less than £250, with better cover?

[thebish]

Happy, nay bloody delighted to have saved £120+ on my car insurance.

How the feck can one insurer provide a renewal quote of £370, whilst another provides a quote of less than £250, with better cover?

you'll probably find that the company that offered you a renewal quote will, at the same time, be offering significantly lower quotes to new business.. and the company you got your better deal from will be offering considerably worse rates to their renewal customers...

if you were to ring them up and say that you'd been offered lower - they would most likely say something like "wait a moment sir - I'll see what we can do - ahh - we can actually offer you a better deal"... to which I say - "feck off you shysters... offer me your best deal in the first place if you can do it for that price..."

[Burnden Paddock]

Happy, nay bloody delighted to have saved £120+ on my car insurance.

How the feck can one insurer provide a renewal quote of £370, whilst another provides a quote of less than £250, with better cover?

you'll probably find that the company that offered you a renewal quote will, at the same time, be offering significantly lower quotes to new business.. and the company you got your better deal from will be offering considerably worse rates to their renewal customers...

if you were to ring them up and say that you'd been offered lower - they would most likely say something like "wait a moment sir - I'll see what we can do - ahh - we can actually offer you a better deal"... to which I say - "feck off you shysters... offer me your best deal in the first place if you can do it for that price..."

I realise how it all works and that they play the 'game'. But they're not usually so far apart in my experience. The most i've had before was about £50-60 on car insurance. I rang to see if they could do anything with my renewal and it was a flat 'no'. Normally they'll come down to at least close to your better offer, but they weren't arsed about losing the business. Their loss, and a sizeable gain to me!

[BWFC_Insane]

Happy, nay bloody delighted to have saved £120+ on my car insurance.

How the feck can one insurer provide a renewal quote of £370, whilst another provides a quote of less than £250, with better cover?

you'll probably find that the company that offered you a renewal quote will, at the same time, be offering significantly lower quotes to new business.. and the company you got your better deal from will be offering considerably worse rates to their renewal customers...

if you were to ring them up and say that you'd been offered lower - they would most likely say something like "wait a moment sir - I'll see what we can do - ahh - we can actually offer you a better deal"... to which I say - "feck off you shysters... offer me your best deal in the first place if you can do it for that price..."

I realise how it all works and that they play the 'game'. But they're not usually so far apart in my experience. The most i've had before was about £50-60 on car insurance. I rang to see if they could do anything with my renewal and it was a flat 'no'. Normally they'll come down to at least close to your better offer, but they weren't arsed about losing the business. Their loss, and a sizeable gain to me!

My last renewal quote was £1000. Could find equivalent cover elsewhere for £540

[Burnden Paddock]

Happy, nay bloody delighted to have saved £120+ on my car insurance.

How the feck can one insurer provide a renewal quote of £370, whilst another provides a quote of less than £250, with better cover?

you'll probably find that the company that offered you a renewal quote will, at the same time, be offering significantly lower quotes to new business.. and the company you got your better deal from will be offering considerably worse rates to their renewal customers...

if you were to ring them up and say that you'd been offered lower - they would most likely say something like "wait a moment sir - I'll see what we can do - ahh - we can actually offer you a better deal"... to which I say - "feck off you shysters... offer me your best deal in the first place if you can do it for that price..."

I realise how it all works and that they play the 'game'. But they're not usually so far apart in my experience. The most i've had before was about £50-60 on car insurance. I rang to see if they could do anything with my renewal and it was a flat 'no'. Normally they'll come down to at least close to your better offer, but they weren't arsed about losing the business. Their loss, and a sizeable gain to me!

My last renewal quote was £1000. Could find equivalent cover elsewhere for £540

That's why I said in MY experience.

[BWFC_Insane]

My last renewal quote was £1000. Could find equivalent cover elsewhere for £540

That's why I said in MY experience.

I was only showing how poorly these companies can treat their existing customers, not trying to contradict you!

Having said that I haven't switched companies for a while now. I always ring up and say I'm leaving and eventually they come down to the lowest price, or close enough....usually with some extras thrown in.