Dougie Freedman - New Manager

[bobo the clown]

I've lived in Rhyl for nearly 10 years now... it's completely fine.

It's not cos the, 'The Wanderer Authority on Tourism' says so.

to be fair - Bobo also said "Rhyl is a special sort of shoite".. maybe Bobo and Dan are one and the same??

Bobo did .... & holds that a good deal of Rhyl is awful. There are nice enough areas and the bits around it are very nice.

This mugwump, Dan's, views are simply not worth consideration .... on more or less anything. 2,500 posts and counting and about 3 which made any sense. I think they were accidental. Clearly he gets erect at any attention he receives. Knowing fck all about anything doesn't appear to hold him back however.

Sorry. But I've uncharacteristically bitten my tongue for a long time.

[TKIZ!]

I went to Aberdare for New year's Eve a couple of years ago. Horrific.

I went there and thought it was aright, mind you I had just been to Newtown which is also up there with the Rhyls and the Newport's. The train I was on stopped at Newport and boy did that live up to its reputation, horrid place that looked more like Belfast than Wales. The thing with Wales is just the sheer volume of it that I horrible, Northern Ireland, Ireland and Scotland are all poor but has some few nice bits as well, you just don't get that with Wales North Wales is horrible and so is south Wales is even worse, the only good bit are in the middle. Aberystwyth is alright for example.

Northern Ireland's horrible ? It's well known for its scenic qualities and Belfast isn't the worst looking city in the UK, out of interest where have you been in NI ?

I can chime in here and say that I know NI very well and although the scenery is lovely and Belfast is a nice city some parts are atrocious but not unlike some parts of this fair isle as well

[TKIZ!]

Didn't realise that his win percentage was this:

Bolton Wanderers 2012– 35 15 11 9 42.86

[Burnden Paddock]

I've lived in Rhyl for nearly 10 years now... it's completely fine.

It's not cos the, 'The Wanderer Authority on Tourism' says so.

to be fair - Bobo also said "Rhyl is a special sort of shoite".. maybe Bobo and Dan are one and the same??

Bobo did .... & holds that a good deal of Rhyl is awful. There are nice enough areas and the bits around it are very nice.

This mugwump, Dan's, views are simply not worth consideration .... on more or less anything. 2,500 posts and counting and about 3 which made any sense. I think they were accidental. Clearly he gets erect at any attention he receives. Knowing fck all about anything doesn't appear to hold him back however.

Sorry. But I've uncharacteristically bitten my tongue for a long time.

Tbh I have no idea what Rhyl is like, having only been through whilst drving from Prestatyn to Llandudno. I was merely trying to crowbar in an official title for Dan, as the boards official travel guru. Everyone has either missed or chosen to ignore it. It's not a good sign when you have to point out your own jokes.

[mrplow]

I went to Aberdare for New year's Eve a couple of years ago. Horrific.

I went there and thought it was aright, mind you I had just been to Newtown which is also up there with the Rhyls and the Newport's. The train I was on stopped at Newport and boy did that live up to its reputation, horrid place that looked more like Belfast than Wales. The thing with Wales is just the sheer volume of it that I horrible, Northern Ireland, Ireland and Scotland are all poor but has some few nice bits as well, you just don't get that with Wales North Wales is horrible and so is south Wales is even worse, the only good bit are in the middle. Aberystwyth is alright for example.

Stupid boy

[clapton is god]

I went to Aberdare for New year's Eve a couple of years ago. Horrific.

I went there and thought it was aright, mind you I had just been to Newtown which is also up there with the Rhyls and the Newport's. The train I was on stopped at Newport and boy did that live up to its reputation, horrid place that looked more like Belfast than Wales. The thing with Wales is just the sheer volume of it that I horrible, Northern Ireland, Ireland and Scotland are all poor but has some few nice bits as well, you just don't get that with Wales North Wales is horrible and so is south Wales is even worse, the only good bit are in the middle. Aberystwyth is alright for example.

Stupid boy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-150.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I went to Aberdare for New year's Eve a couple of years ago. Horrific.

I went there and thought it was aright, mind you I had just been to Newtown which is also up there with the Rhyls and the Newport's. The train I was on stopped at Newport and boy did that live up to its reputation, horrid place that looked more like Belfast than Wales. The thing with Wales is just the sheer volume of it that I horrible, Northern Ireland, Ireland and Scotland are all poor but has some few nice bits as well, you just don't get that with Wales North Wales is horrible and so is south Wales is even worse, the only good bit are in the middle. Aberystwyth is alright for example.

Stupid boy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-150.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Love how the Daily Mail illustrates its story with lots of photos of sheep.

On a side note is it now a racially aggravated slur for scousers to describe people of Lancashire not within the bounds of Merseyside as woolybacks?

[Enoch]

At what point does Freedman cease being a 'New Manager', or did it happen when this thread stopped mentioning him?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

At what point does Freedman cease being a 'New Manager', or did it happen when this thread stopped mentioning him?

Saturday February 16th 1pm. I officially stated in this very thread that he was no longer *New*. I even asked for the thread to be locked.

[LeverEnd]

At what point does Freedman cease being a 'New Manager', or did it happen when this thread stopped mentioning him?

Saturday February 16th 1pm. I officially stated in this very thread that he was no longer *New*. I even asked for the thread to be locked.

Well thank gooness you were ignored. We may have missed out on our Bricktop discussion and dan's whistlestop tour of shit Britain. He's like a teenage Michael Palin.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

At what point does Freedman cease being a 'New Manager', or did it happen when this thread stopped mentioning him?

Saturday February 16th 1pm. I officially stated in this very thread that he was no longer *New*. I even asked for the thread to be locked.

Well thank gooness you were ignored. We may have missed out on our Bricktop discussion and dan's whistlestop tour of shit Britain. He's like a teenage Michael Palin.

[Prufrock]

Was at a girl from work's leaving drinks last night, and spent a lot of talking to the husband of another girl from work, who is Palace fan with quite a lot of ITK knowledge.

Overview of the conversation: Most Palace fans don't hate Dougie, and a lot were pissed off with their chairmen (who they reckon are dodgy). What bad feeling there was has lessened further because they went up anyway. The 'Ultras' they have wanted to meet him when we played at theirs to tell him they didn't blame him, but were stopped by some dodgy shenanigans from the owners. Dougie didn't want to leave, and would have stayed if they'd matched or even come close to what we were offering. They wouldn't, so he took the fairly massive wage rise.

As a manager he said he rates him highly, better than Holloway definitely, but not perfect. The conservatism we know, but he said that whilst he's good at going on long good runs, he also struggles to turn around long bad runs. Sounds a fair bit like certain ex-Bolton manager who took us out of this league and onto great things .

[SmokinFrazier]

In looking at everyone involved in Bolton at the moment, I'm most worried about Freedman being the weak link. I'm not a fan of the way we played last year and I thought pretty much every game was scrappy and there for the taking. In that long good run we had, I think a lot of opposition fans would have left the ground thinking "we could have got a point or 3 out of that game" rather than thinking "Bolton were a much better team than us and deserved the win". A win is a win but we rode our luck a lot last year and we'll need to improve to push for promotion this season.

Whether Freedman can do that or not, I don't know. I hope that things will have improved. I want to see us dominate more games, rather than defend an early lead for 80 minutes with goal mouth scrambles in the dying seconds. We are a better team than that, as we showed numerous times in the first 20 minutes of games before going ultra-negative.

I'm not entirely down on Freedman but I have my doubts about his style of management. Hopefully having a full pre-season and chance to bring in some more of the players he wants will see our performances improve. Our away form was very poor under Freedman too, so that needs addressing.

[Worthy4England]

We've been riding out luck for 6 years. Most seasons during that time, I can only think of a few matches where I've come away thinking "comfortable winners".

Our away form has been fairly shit since 2006. Hardly an "under Freedman" phenomena.

2007/8 won 2 out of 19
2008/9 won 4 out of 19
2009/10 won 4 out of 19
2010/11 won 2 out of 19
2011/12 won 6 out of 19 - which was good, but we only won fecking 4 at home under the clueless tit.
2013/13 won 4 out of 23 - we got 3 points from 5 aways under Coyle and 17 from 18 under Freedman - so not much to call between them on that front.

We picked up 20 points away, Leicester and Palace picked up 25 and one of them's now in the Prem, so yes, I'd like us to get more points away - Watford bagged 39 - which would be nice.

As I did with Megson's second season (first full season), and Coyle's, both of them deserved the Closed Season transfer window after being appointed mid-season. I'm prepared to see what Freedman can do and he has my support.

[Mar]

In looking at everyone involved in Bolton at the moment, I'm most worried about Freedman being the weak link. I'm not a fan of the way we played last year and I thought pretty much every game was scrappy and there for the taking. In that long good run we had, I think a lot of opposition fans would have left the ground thinking "we could have got a point or 3 out of that game" rather than thinking "Bolton were a much better team than us and deserved the win". A win is a win but we rode our luck a lot last year and we'll need to improve to push for promotion this season.

Whether Freedman can do that or not, I don't know. I hope that things will have improved. I want to see us dominate more games, rather than defend an early lead for 80 minutes with goal mouth scrambles in the dying seconds. We are a better team than that, as we showed numerous times in the first 20 minutes of games before going ultra-negative.

I'm not entirely down on Freedman but I have my doubts about his style of management. Hopefully having a full pre-season and chance to bring in some more of the players he wants will see our performances improve. Our away form was very poor under Freedman too, so that needs addressing.

Might want to take into consideration that it wasn't entirely a squad built from his own choosing. Takes a while to settle a squad and get them playing exactly the way the manager wants. Even harder when he's having to use players that don't exactly fit into the system well.

I like what Freedman is trying to achieve, seems to talk a lot of sense. There's a few instances of WTF moments such as Leicester away and Blackpool home where Butterfield and Hall's starting roles where very questionable. But in total these are few and far between. Maybe Hall's inclusion was to help persuade him to sign for this season (he didn't have a bad match against Blackpool to be fair).

I think we've just got to have a little faith. I'm hoping that the Dawson signing wasn't just a stroke of good luck (ala Sturridge signing for Coyle) and hopefully he'll be able to unearth a few more gems.

[Lord Kangana]

No manager these days, with a very, very few notable exceptions, get "their" squad, or the squad of their choosing though. Last season dougie still had players left over from Allardyce. That's the circumstances we'll have to deal with if we're to get promoted.

[BWFC_Insane]

No manager these days, with a very, very few notable exceptions, get "their" squad, or the squad of their choosing though. Last season dougie still had players left over from Allardyce. That's the circumstances we'll have to deal with if we're to get promoted.

There is a difference though between having to work with some of what you've got, not bei able to cherry pick every squad filler and having several players on high salaries who you want and need rid of before you can improve key positions.

The difference now in general is that even at this level players like Mills have been given such high wages that they can't be shifted on easily.

[plymouth wanderer]

Who do ya blame for those high wages?

[BWFC_Insane]

Who do ya blame for those high wages?

Doesn't really matter does it? We are where we are.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think this article is pretty good at summing things up.

http://www.burndenaces.co.uk/2013/07/21 ... ck-up.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We have problems, are weak in certain areas but we are rebuilding from the ground up. And by the sounds of it, doing the right things. Investing in youth and sports science and trying to streamline the excesses of previous regimes on older, expensive players who do not contribute much.