Today I'm neither Angry nor Happy about....

[bwfcdan94]

I know that, god some of you think I am retarded don't you. I simply asked the question as I have been to South Yorkshire only on a couple of occasions and have never been called it yet the comparisons between the people of Chesterfield (which is in north Derbyshire, hence Derbyshire C.C play their) and South Yorkshire are endless.

[Bruce Rioja]

Well, in answer to your question, Daniel, the terms 'Duck' and 'Mi Duck' are commonly used in Derbyshire and some parts of Staffordshire.
In South Derbyshire it's quite common for an elder male to address a younger male as 'Youth'.

Oh, and in the interests of accuracy, yes, Derbyshire do play some of their games in Chesterfield, but then Lancashire play some of theirs in Liverpool.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Lots of people in Leicestershire use the term 'duck' too. Not used in Northamptonshire (which is next door) and therefore used by Northamptonians when taking the mickey out of Leicestershire folk.

[bwfcdan94]

Well, in answer to your question, Daniel, the terms 'Duck' and 'Mi Duck' are commonly used in Derbyshire and some parts of Staffordshire.
In South Derbyshire it's quite common for an elder male to address a younger male as 'Youth'.

Oh, and in the interests of accuracy, yes, Derbyshire do play some of their games in Chesterfield, but then Lancashire play some of theirs in Liverpool.

Thank you I have learnt something that I cant be taught in school today (although we all know that most things worthwile cannot be taught in school)

[Lost Leopard Spot]

To both answer Daniel, and to extend the 'debate'.
Duck is used in Chesterfield.
In South Yorkshire the appropriate term is Love.
I remember getting on a bus in Hackenthorpe and asking the fare to Sheffield and being told by a big grim bewhiskered behemoth "that'll be ten pence Love".

[bwfcdan94]

You know we could start a comical thread called educating Daniel

[bobo the clown]

To both answer Daniel, and to extend the 'debate'.
Duck is used in Chesterfield.
In South Yorkshire the appropriate term is Love.
I remember getting on a bus in Hackenthorpe and asking the fare to Sheffield and being told by a big grim bewhiskered behemoth "that'll be ten pence Love".

That wasn't for the bus fare though, was it ?

I lived in Leeds for 3 years and had the very same, rather unnerving experience when the milk-man called for his money. He called me both "love" and "sweetheart" in what was, maybe, a 5 sentence discourse.

Mind you, there were many strange happenings in Leeds.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

It is unnerving when you are least expecting it.
Chapeltown by any chance?

[bobo the clown]

It is unnerving when you are least expecting it.
Chapeltown by any chance?

Headingly .... by the Original Oak & The Skyrack.

I was there during the Ripper years, hence my first sig. at the bottom of my mails on here.

[TANGODANCER]

Thank you I have learnt something that I cant be taught in school today (although we all know that most things worthwile cannot be taught in school)

The reason you spend the first 10-15 years of your life there proves they can, Dan. Whether you listen or not is a different story.

[bwfcdan94]

I did listen but nowadays as you and me both know Tango we don't go to school to learn we go to school to pass exams, that was the point I was making. Personally though I am of the opinion that the current schooling system does little for boys as lads learn best from real life experiences. I was lucky in that my Biology teacher was like that and while he understood the need to teach the syllabus he made sure he made all the earning as practical as possible. Personally I know that my mums death did more for me then schooling did because when you are at home having to run a household you learn how to survive and how to get through the school day. It is great learning about all this intellectual stuff like Shakespeare in English and the flow of the river in Geography but when are you actually going to need that. I know for a fact that 90% of the things you learn in school you will never use again in your life and I think the majority of people would agree with me on that.

In school you don't get taught how cook and how to clear up the mess that is created from cooking (or at least not to a full enough extent to be able to cook yourself nutritious meals, you learn instead how to make cakes !)

In school you don't get taught how to clean (which may seem simple to you and me but to some people they just would not know how/what to use)

At school you don't get taught how to clean clothes, dry clothes and iron clothes

At school they don't teach you how to pay bills

These skills are all basic and vital parts of our lives and at the end of the day your going to struggle just to get through everyday life if you cant do these things (unless you are extremely well off and have someone to do it for you). I seriously ask you Tango if you have any relatives in school currently or even better who have finished school within the last 20 years or so to tell you at a guess what percentage of everything they learnt in school is applicable to their life

We all know how much of a rut the majority of students are in their first year at Uni because a lot of them are being chucked in the deep end having never had to look after themselves without parents about to do many of the basics listed above.

To put this into context to you I do not know a single person in my year at school who could do what I do everyday, when I have explained what my daily routine consists of everyday they look at me in astonishment because the idea of having to literally do everything for yourself that their mums and dads do for them is beyond their comprehension. A lot off people have even said I am literally like a parent to my sister with all the responsibilities of one.

I listened at school and worked exceptionally hard (harder then everybody else in my year). I was predicted to get less than 5 GCSEs yet I got 8, that does not happen by luck. You could have asked teacher about when I finished primary school if they thought I would have 5GCSEs and gone on to do A - levels they would of all said no and considering what I have been through in the last 18 months or so it is a miracle that I am leaving school with A - levels.

I said to somebody just the other day that I learnt more in the year following my mums death then I had done in the 16 years that my mum was alive. I had only just turned 17 when my mum suddenly died and therefore I had to grow up fast and learn how the world worked very quickly because if I didn't I was screwed.

[Dujon]

You have had a tough introduction to 'the real world', Dan. I admire you for your perseverance, resilience and 'guts' in adapting to a life without your Mum. As someone who has not had to travel the path that you had forced upon you it is difficult to understand what you must have experienced. I am not sure that, at the age of 17, I would have coped as well as you seem to have.

Please don't denigrate your schools (or the education system at large) as they are not designed to teach the day-to-day skills of living; most people are fortunate to learn those from family or their extended family. As you integrate into the broader streams and tributaries of the river known as 'life' I will guarantee that you will (probably unconsciously) draw upon that hard earned store of knowledge.

My old Alma Mater carried the motto "Know Thyself". I'd add to that something along the lines of "Learning is Life" or "I Will Never Stop Learning".

Dan, I was a dreadful student. If my comments sound patronising they are not meant to be.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I did listen but nowadays as you and me both know Tango we don't go to school to learn we go to school to pass exams, that was the point I was making. Personally though I am of the opinion that the current schooling system does little for boys as lads learn best from real life experiences. I was lucky in that my Biology teacher was like that and while he understood the need to teach the syllabus he made sure he made all the earning as practical as possible. Personally I know that my mums death did more for me then schooling did because when you are at home having to run a household you learn how to survive and how to get through the school day. It is great learning about all this intellectual stuff like Shakespeare in English and the flow of the river in Geography but when are you actually going to need that. I know for a fact that 90% of the things you learn in school you will never use again in your life and I think the majority of people would agree with me on that.

In school you don't get taught how cook and how to clear up the mess that is created from cooking (or at least not to a full enough extent to be able to cook yourself nutritious meals, you learn instead how to make cakes !)

In school you don't get taught how to clean (which may seem simple to you and me but to some people they just would not know how/what to use)

At school you don't get taught how to clean clothes, dry clothes and iron clothes

At school they don't teach you how to pay bills

These skills are all basic and vital parts of our lives and at the end of the day your going to struggle just to get through everyday life if you cant do these things (unless you are extremely well off and have someone to do it for you). I seriously ask you Tango if you have any relatives in school currently or even better who have finished school within the last 20 years or so to tell you at a guess what percentage of everything they learnt in school is applicable to their life

We all know how much of a rut the majority of students are in their first year at Uni because a lot of them are being chucked in the deep end having never had to look after themselves without parents about to do many of the basics listed above.

To put this into context to you I do not know a single person in my year at school who could do what I do everyday, when I have explained what my daily routine consists of everyday they look at me in astonishment because the idea of having to literally do everything for yourself that their mums and dads do for them is beyond their comprehension. A lot off people have even said I am literally like a parent to my sister with all the responsibilities of one.

I listened at school and worked exceptionally hard (harder then everybody else in my year). I was predicted to get less than 5 GCSEs yet I got 8, that does not happen by luck. You could have asked teacher about when I finished primary school if they thought I would have 5GCSEs and gone on to do A - levels they would of all said no and considering what I have been through in the last 18 months or so it is a miracle that I am leaving school with A - levels.

I said to somebody just the other day that I learnt more in the year following my mums death then I had done in the 16 years that my mum was alive. I had only just turned 17 when my mum suddenly died and therefore I had to grow up fast and learn how the world worked very quickly because if I didn't I was screwed.

Dan, Dan, Dan *shakes head disapprovingly*
The things you learn at school can be carried through the rest of your life. It is up to you how you apply them, but everything you were taught at school has value in some context or other.
Just to take one of the two instances you yourself mentioned, the rivers flowing in geography as an extreme example, if later in life you ever find yourself lost or stranded the knowledge you gained about the flow of water downhill and the shapes of rivers and their valleys at different stages could, if applied correctly, be the difference between you easily finding your way back to civilisation, or alternatively if you absorbed nothing from that schooling, dying in the wilderness.

[BWFC_Insane]

I did listen but nowadays as you and me both know Tango we don't go to school to learn we go to school to pass exams, that was the point I was making. Personally though I am of the opinion that the current schooling system does little for boys as lads learn best from real life experiences. I was lucky in that my Biology teacher was like that and while he understood the need to teach the syllabus he made sure he made all the earning as practical as possible. Personally I know that my mums death did more for me then schooling did because when you are at home having to run a household you learn how to survive and how to get through the school day. It is great learning about all this intellectual stuff like Shakespeare in English and the flow of the river in Geography but when are you actually going to need that. I know for a fact that 90% of the things you learn in school you will never use again in your life and I think the majority of people would agree with me on that.

In school you don't get taught how cook and how to clear up the mess that is created from cooking (or at least not to a full enough extent to be able to cook yourself nutritious meals, you learn instead how to make cakes !)

In school you don't get taught how to clean (which may seem simple to you and me but to some people they just would not know how/what to use)

At school you don't get taught how to clean clothes, dry clothes and iron clothes

At school they don't teach you how to pay bills

These skills are all basic and vital parts of our lives and at the end of the day your going to struggle just to get through everyday life if you cant do these things (unless you are extremely well off and have someone to do it for you). I seriously ask you Tango if you have any relatives in school currently or even better who have finished school within the last 20 years or so to tell you at a guess what percentage of everything they learnt in school is applicable to their life

We all know how much of a rut the majority of students are in their first year at Uni because a lot of them are being chucked in the deep end having never had to look after themselves without parents about to do many of the basics listed above.

To put this into context to you I do not know a single person in my year at school who could do what I do everyday, when I have explained what my daily routine consists of everyday they look at me in astonishment because the idea of having to literally do everything for yourself that their mums and dads do for them is beyond their comprehension. A lot off people have even said I am literally like a parent to my sister with all the responsibilities of one.

I listened at school and worked exceptionally hard (harder then everybody else in my year). I was predicted to get less than 5 GCSEs yet I got 8, that does not happen by luck. You could have asked teacher about when I finished primary school if they thought I would have 5GCSEs and gone on to do A - levels they would of all said no and considering what I have been through in the last 18 months or so it is a miracle that I am leaving school with A - levels.

I said to somebody just the other day that I learnt more in the year following my mums death then I had done in the 16 years that my mum was alive. I had only just turned 17 when my mum suddenly died and therefore I had to grow up fast and learn how the world worked very quickly because if I didn't I was screwed.

Dan, Dan, Dan *shakes head disapprovingly*
The things you learn at school can be carried through the rest of your life. It is up to you how you apply them, but everything you were taught at school has value in some context or other.
Just to take one of the two instances you yourself mentioned, the rivers flowing in geography as an extreme example, if later in life you ever find yourself lost or stranded the knowledge you gained about the flow of water downhill and the shapes of rivers and their valleys at different stages could, if applied correctly, be the difference between you easily finding your way back to civilisation, or alternatively if you absorbed nothing from that schooling, dying in the wilderness.

To be fair to Dan he makes a very interesting point. Not one I'd necessarily totally agree with, but as someone who has in the past worked with quite a few school leavers (though more now with Uni graduates although many of the points remain the same) I think there is an element of "practical thinking on your feet common sense" that seems to have gone out the window.

Perhaps it's the "learn by rote what is in the exam" approach that seems to dominate today. So minds are not encouraged to think outside that.

Quite often I've had a graduate do some basic data analysis (and I mean basic) and they've come back with every single piece of statistical analysis they've ever learnt at school and University all nicely packaged up in a lot of graphs and tables. But then you ask them for a highlight report of what it actually means and they look at you like you're a bit mental (Or they repeat the numbers they've just shown you back at you). They don't get that the value is not in being able to do the clever stuff (rarely does that really need to be done) but it's being able to pick out the key information and distill it quickly and understand what that means. What is the trend? Why is it happening? Stuff like that. They don't see beyond the numbers on a page.

That's just one example. Understanding things like how to address an email to an important person inside or outside your business, they just don't know where to start. Often they come along with a draft of a letter or an email that is just mind-bogglingly awful. And when you think about it, nobody has ever told them about this stuff. They might have learned about "formal letter writing" but that often isn't what you want to do and often isn't appropriate. But neither is their usual informal style.

And beyond that to what Dan was saying, yes in my experience they are often struggling with the mechanisms of life such as we had one lad years ago when I worked elsewhere , (very bright) who we interviewed and appointed straight from Uni and asked him when he could start. He needed to move first but said within a week. We were all a bit surprised that he could start so soon, but pleased. Anyhow what he hadn't realised was that moving from one end of the country to the other wasn't like when you were at University. He needed to rent somewhere but assumed that would only take a day to sort out.....month and a half later he finally started!

[thebish]

Perhaps it's the "learn by wrote what is in the exam" approach that seems to dominate today. So minds are not encouraged to think outside that.

oooff - learn by what??

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Learn by wrote. Similar to learning by hart, which is what we did when I was a cub.

[BWFC_Insane]

Perhaps it's the "learn by wrote what is in the exam" approach that seems to dominate today. So minds are not encouraged to think outside that.

oooff - learn by what??

Edited. Smartypants.

[thebish]

Perhaps it's the "learn by wrote what is in the exam" approach that seems to dominate today. So minds are not encouraged to think outside that.

oooff - learn by what??

Edited. Smartypants.

well... it was a post about the failings of edukayshun!!

[boltonboris]

I agree partly with Dan.

There's a big difference in being Academic & Smart.

I know which one I'd employ first.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

World Championship Hen Racing.
It's just dawned on me what a fxcking massive clash this is. Opening game of the season (on tele) and World Championship Hen Racing, first saturday in August = the same afternoon. Oh woe is me.
And I've got a chance to be World Champion owner. It's not often one can be a world champion. My hen is responding to her training brilliantly. Best I've ever come before is a disqualification for pecking in the plate final.
I shall just have to drop the hen off, dash home and watch the match on tele, and at half time ring up to see which heat my hen's in. If it's an early one I'll just have to trust a mate to follow my instructions which are threefold:
1. Do not launch hen, she is fast enough to do it on foot, and we don't want to incur a penalty.
2. Make sure to watch out for her aggression, she'll stop pecking at a sharp "No!"
3. To dash to finish line and vigorously shake the tupperware box half-full of sliced tomatoes, and ensure she gets one as a reward.

Anyway, it should bode well for the season if we have a world champion as a fan, surely? (And I use bode instead of augur deliberately, for good reason - I don't want my hen freaking out.)