Moritz

[BWFC_Insane]

Bish read a thread on the Palace forum today talking about Moritz coming here.

Very different "analysis" of the player on that one....

[thebish]

Bish read a thread on the Palace forum today talking about Moritz coming here.

Very different "analysis" of the player on that one....

give us a synopsis - then we can laugh at them!!

[BWFC_Insane]

Ok.....

He just tweeted that he's signed. He's now been unfollowed.

Moritz benefited from a few flashes of brilliance, and the fact many saw him as direct competition for the much maligned Garvan, fooling people into believing he was better than he actually was.

Guy with talent yes but all those saying we 'shouldn't have let him go' need to wake up.

He was told, and rightly so, that he wasn't guaranteed a starting place and moved on. While he had some good games during the season and especially the last playoff games, he was also anonymous in a few too. The more observent fans will also have seen him sulking when not in the side too. Last game against Peterborough he was the last out but first off the pitch after the lap of honour and also the first away from the stadium. Wish him luck and would like him to have stayed as a squad player but he's gone, move on.

If his head is right he'll do ok at Bolton, if he thinks he's doing them a favour signing for them (like he did us) then he wont do anything.

[thebish]

^ cheers!! oh, the woman scorned!!

I especially like:

"Moritz benefited from a few flashes of brilliance, and the fact many saw him as direct competition for the much maligned Garvan, fooling people into believing he was better than he actually was."

[Lord Kangana]

The guy is never going to be 100% brilliant - he's a mid twenties free signing. If he improves on what we have squad wise, adding either something different or something more then I'll be happy. We've got to temper expectation. Obviously as long as the proper research has been done.

[SmokinFrazier]

What also worries me, is that Dougie reckons he'll be playing him behind a striker.

I think it's obvious, that since Dougie arrived, we've been nothing but woeful (results wise) when we don't play with 2 up top.

That's what bothers me too. I really don't like Freedman's insistence to go with his preferred system over one which is more successful. That shouldn't be the case at all. A manager should look at his group of players, analyse how they'll play their best and get the best results, and then play that way, not try and mould them into a system he prefers. How anyone could look at our results last year when playing 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 and then insist on playing 4-5-1 is beyond me.

I was vehement about 4-4-2 being better for us last year, even before Freedman started playing it, and someone on here, probably BWFCi, said I was being hypocriticial because when we were in the Premier League, I argued that we should play 4-5-1 and not 4-4-2. However, it's horses for courses. Different styles work in different leagues and in this league, 4-4-2 is more successful for us against the opposition we've been facing. Personally, I prefer 4-5-1 but I wouldn't insist on that if it's not the right decision, so I hope Freedman isn't pig headed about the choice either.

If it works, great, but I worry that the team Freedman is building is designed to play 4-5-1 and I'm not sure whether it'll work for us. If it doesn't, we'll have strengthened positions which aren't necessary, leading to another poor transfer window.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

The guy is never going to be 100% brilliant - he's a mid twenties free signing. If he improves on what we have squad wise, adding either something different or something more then I'll be happy. We've got to temper expectation. Obviously as long as the proper research has been done.

Hush you. He's the next feckin Pele.

[thebish]

What also worries me, is that Dougie reckons he'll be playing him behind a striker.

I think it's obvious, that since Dougie arrived, we've been nothing but woeful (results wise) when we don't play with 2 up top.

That's what bothers me too. I really don't like Freedman's insistence to go with his preferred system over one which is more successful. That shouldn't be the case at all. A manager should look at his group of players, analyse how they'll play their best and get the best results, and then play that way, not try and mould them into a system he prefers. How anyone could look at our results last year when playing 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 and then insist on playing 4-5-1 is beyond me.

I was vehement about 4-4-2 being better for us last year, even before Freedman started playing it, and someone on here, probably BWFCi, said I was being hypocriticial because when we were in the Premier League, I argued that we should play 4-5-1 and not 4-4-2. However, it's horses for courses. Different styles work in different leagues and in this league, 4-4-2 is more successful for us against the opposition we've been facing. Personally, I prefer 4-5-1 but I wouldn't insist on that if it's not the right decision, so I hope Freedman isn't pig headed about the choice either.

If it works, great, but I worry that the team Freedman is building is designed to play 4-5-1 and I'm not sure whether it'll work for us. If it doesn't, we'll have strengthened positions which aren't necessary, leading to another poor transfer window.

i haven't yet seen your apology for suggesting (quite strongly - and wrongly) that Dougie would not admit that he got the formation wrong against Blackpool...

will there be one?

[thebish]

The guy is never going to be 100% brilliant - he's a mid twenties free signing. If he improves on what we have squad wise, adding either something different or something more then I'll be happy. We've got to temper expectation. Obviously as long as the proper research has been done.

Hush you. He's the next feckin Pele.

yeah - bloody Lords pissing on our chips...

[BWFC_Insane]

Freedman on Moritz signing:

Andre Moritz is a player the fans are going to love. He's a technically gifted left-footer who is great to watch

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

What also worries me, is that Dougie reckons he'll be playing him behind a striker. I think it's obvious, that since Dougie arrived, we've been nothing but woeful (results wise) when we don't play with 2 up top.

...but it seems to me that when Ngog has been "one of the two", he's been seen (by the boss) as an advanced midfielder. If that makes sense.

But he still plays closer to the last man than a midfielder would, by nature, I suppose.

I agree, sir, but there's not a world of difference. Except to Smokin' Frazier...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

What also worries me, is that Dougie reckons he'll be playing him behind a striker. I think it's obvious, that since Dougie arrived, we've been nothing but woeful (results wise) when we don't play with 2 up top.

...but it seems to me that when Ngog has been "one of the two", he's been seen (by the boss) as an advanced midfielder. If that makes sense.

But he still plays closer to the last man than a midfielder would, by nature, I suppose.

I agree, sir, but there's not a world of difference. Except to Smokin' Frazier...

Sooooooo, what you're saying is we are going to play a 4-4-2 but one of the two won't score, he'll be an advanced midfielder. If that's the case I'd prefer that non-scoring advanced midfielder playing one of the two to be a potential scorer called Moritz rather than a known non-goalscorer called N'gog.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

They are different positions and different formations, but not by miles, more by mindset. Formations are in constant flux as the game progresses, and a 4-4-2 featuring Dennis Bergkamp is not the same as a 4-4-2 with Tony Philliskirk and John Thomas.

Whether it's a split-striker or an attacking central midfielder, we now have four decent options - Ngog, Eagles, Moritz, MDavies (in a bit). What we've lacked is a goalscorer, but so do a lot of teams: Palace's joint second-top league scorers last term were Kevin Phillips and Wilf Zaha, with 6 each. Moritz was next with 5 from 27 appearances (but only 12 starts), then it was Owen Garvan, defensive midfielder Dikgacoi and centre-back Peter Ramage with 4 each. We had 10 players (compared to Palace's 7) who scored 4 or more league goals last term, and you'd hope that would continue, even if Beckford doesn't match Glenn Murray's 30 goals.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

And it still sounds like a 4-5-1 to me, whether it's N'gog, Eagles or Moritz behind the striker.

[bwfcdan94]

I did some dougie-research...

this is what palace fans thought about him...

I feel that his performance yesterday is being overshadowed somewhat by Wilf and Murray, so here's a thread all of it's own just for him.

What an unbelievable player he is. Seriously, I reckon he is better than Williams at the moment (not taking anything away from Joniesta), he doesn't lose the ball, can take the ball forward twenty yards, and a few of his through balls are outrageous. The one that set Zaha up for the first was absolutely perfect.

Early days, and I'm sure it'll be when we get in to the winter months where we will see just how good he is, but his performances both yesterday and against Cardiff have been Premiership quality.

Agree Completely he is class that pass to Wilf was spot on. His also puts it about a bit he all round game is wonderful. I hope he signs a long term contract.

Did you see him celebrate Wilf's second goal ?
He was punching the air like we had won the League
Bearing in mind he probably hadn't heard of CPFC a few months ago, his passion for the club seems genuine.
He was top drawer yesterday.

Andre Moritz pretty much came to Palace as an unknown quantity.Dougie saw his potential and took the gamble and boy,has it paid off!I remember when Lombardo joined and the excitement surrounding his capture and this signing feels very similar.The lad has everything in his locker.He's like a secret weapon.Well done Dougie and cpfc for discovering one hell of a player!

Sat near to someone yesterday who thought he was useless and was pleased to see him taken off - you have to wonder what game some people are watching sometimes - I thought he was class yesterday.

boooooooooooooo!

I came home from the Sheffield Wednesday game absolutely raving about him and have not been as excited about a new player for many years. I hope he continues to improve but on early showings looks like he could be a really important player for us. Along with Jedi, who has improved beyond measure, he could form a spectacular midfield of five along with Bolasie, Zaha and KG or Williams.

Right now one happy boy with our midfield - just want to see us sort out our back four - we must stop conceding sloppy goals and giving teams a head start all the time!

{gulp!}

After another impressive performance yesterday, definitely worth offering a new contract.
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Did he only sign a 1 year deal?
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Yeah, need to him on a longer deal asap I think. Possibly another year extended onto it.

doh!

Sign him up on a 3-4yr deal would be good. the sooner the better!!

Also, have you noticed how quickly Moritz has taken over set piece duties. Taking all the free kicks & corners for us. Its good to have a couple of players that can do this in the squad. marvellous!

Despite running in treacle the guy just oozes class and plays that free role behind Murray so dam well, superb understanding with the aforementioned and both wingers.Also not scared to shoot and has a superb left peg.

What has surprised the most about him though is his visible passion for the team and the fans, very unusual for a new player to show that kind of thing so early, especially as he is on such a short contract.

Get Moritz out for the lads

The only thing I worry about is why he's not used in away games yet. You'd expect someone with his skill and talent to be able to change his game to suit the away tactics. Either he can't or Dougie doesn't trust him too? I just wonder how long we'll be able to keep tinkering with the team for every game and a) keep getting results without being sussed out b) keep players happy who are playing well and then being dropped for the next game?

hmmmm.....

saw him playing against 'Boro away and you could tell he was up another level from what we've had recently in the middle - very good on the ball, strong and can slot a pass behind back 4's. Wonderful signing from Dougie

I just hope we get these good players weve found in the summer on longer contracts, from what I remember we have got a few only on Short-Term Deals

I think he'll only be here for the season and is looking to get into English football, but f**k me what a signing he is, and he's only here for a year, then I'm glad we have him for that year!

aye - before he drops a division to find a better club!

Just shows what a difference one player can make to a team.

Moritz has been superb and his passing is excellent. Quality signing.

I reckon outside chance that he will stay. So many players come here then are reluctant to leave, and so many ex players are spotted on match days.

awwwww.. bless!!


so - in summary - he's ace - and now I am excited!!!

We have got a seriously good player on our hands seems to be the consensus.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think Dougie has it in his mind to play 4-2-3-1.

Whether that is Moritz, NGog or Eagles as the central man in the three, I think eventually if he gets everyone he wants that is what he would like to play.

And isn't the point that he's hopefully signing players to fit into the system he wants to play rather than just keeping the same players and changing the system?

[norm the jedi]

Nice signing..
Don't think formation makes as big a difference as the absence of a Dawson class centre half...
May be Moritz and Beckford will fit our " if you score 4 we'll get 5 " or should that be " when you score 4...? "

[thebish]

And it still sounds like a 4-5-1 to me, whether it's N'gog, Eagles or Moritz behind the striker.

how far behind the striker and for what proportion of game time does the withdrawn striker have to be behind the other striker for it to qualify as 4-5-1?

or to put it another way...

for how many minutes is the withdrawn striker allowed to be physically in front of the other striker before it is deemed to have been 4-4-2...

all all seems a bit 6 and half a dozen to me...

[bwfcdan94]

I think Dougie has it in his mind to play 4-2-3-1.

Whether that is Moritz, NGog or Eagles as the central man in the three, I think eventually if he gets everyone he wants that is what he would like to play.

And isn't the point that he's hopefully signing players to fit into the system he wants to play rather than just keeping the same players and changing the system?

No I think you have to play Ngog either as a striker or on the wind (as he is quite quick), would not play him in the midfield IMO.

[boltonboris]

It's not in the "midfield" per se, it's more as a sxecond striker. Somebody to come into the hole and get the ball between the lines. "no mans land", if you like.

It's a place where Rooney, Ozil etc do their best work. Almost impossible to mark without leaving a gaping hole for a striker to dart into. You get the ball there, you can do what you want with it.