Liverpool laughing stocks?

[coffeymagic]

[quote="BWFC_InsaneThey've missed out on it for more than a season![/quote]

Yeah I know, that's what's good about it. Plus the longer they're out of it the more unlikely it is that they'll ever get back in.

Another season or so they'll be struggling to stay up. Mind you with 'King Kenny' sat glowering from the stands I'm sure there's a rosy future in store.

The club's a disgrace. The way they backed Suarez time and time again over his conduct was disgusting. They'd have got more respect if they came out and said 'Well, yes he's an animal but he's good at football so up yours' rather than all this 'It means something else in the foothills of the Machu Pikachu' and 'he was just feeling a little peckish'.

The guy's vermin and that's the top and bottom of it.

Good luck to whoever signs him.

[Prufrock]

And if Liverpool have deliberately "deceived" Suarez with the contract and the clause then that opens up another can of worms as to the legality of the deal.

Of course that is hard to prove. But who knows what Suarez and his agents have in writing or otherwise.

if suarez had it clearly in writing - and signed by the club - then all he has to do is show a copy to the journalists... there might be a reason that he hasn't...

Same argument for Liverpool though. If its so clear cut, show the media and shut Suarez up!

hmmm... wouldn't be conclusive if the club showed a paragraph - cos then it could be claimed there was another paragraph on another page they hadn't shown... the only one who can show it (if it's there) conclusively - is Suarez.. the reason he doesn't (presumably) is because he's talking bollox and wasn't really concentrating (or his advisors/lawyers weren't) when he signed on the dotted and grabbed the Liverpool money with his greedy little fingers...

Not sure that logic holds at all. I suspect as its being debated and the PFA have waded in and presumably lawyers of the two sides are arguing over it, that it isn't clear cut at all.

I find the argument that Suarez can "put it to bed" but the club can't extremely bizarre. Both sides could reveal the clause in full if they were "totally sure" and put the matter to bed.

The fact there is a clause in there at all, suggests to me that at the very least Liverpool have been dishonest, at worst they could have broken the contract.

Either way I don't have any sympathy for either party. But I do hope Liverpool end up being right royally screwed.

If it's there on a page, with his signature under, there isn't a great deal honesty has to do with it. Verbal terms can be included in a contract, but they'd have to be before he signed it, and he's have to prove it. Liverpool may have been trying to be clever, but he's got a lawyer, and he signed it. If it's genuinely ambiguous, it will be interpreted against the party seeking to rely on it, in this case, Suarez.

[bobo the clown]

If it's genuinely ambiguous wouldn't it be interpreted against the people who designed the ambiguity ... viz. Liverpool FC ?

Either way I'm hoping both lose out, but Liverpool are doing nothing more than trying to screw more dish out of the inevitable sale. They need to coz they've rebuilt that huge debt and have already signed two more strikers in addition to Sturridge and the Italian guy ... so effectively spending the Syarez money and planned for him not being there.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Best case scenario is he plays crap for the first weeks of the season. He then gets an injury preventing a sale and ends up leaving for nowt. He then never regains form and ends up in Qatar where he receives a stiff penalty for biting the Emir's brother...

[Prufrock]

If it's genuinely ambiguous wouldn't it be interpreted against the people who designed the ambiguity ... viz. Liverpool FC ?

Either way I'm hoping both lose out, but Liverpool are doing nothing more than trying to screw more dish out of the inevitable sale. They need to coz they've rebuilt that huge debt and have already signed two more strikers in addition to Sturridge and the Iraluan guy ... so effectively spending the Syarez money and planned for him not being there.

In contracts like this where there is free negotiation on both sides, there isn't really any concept of who 'designed' it. Basically, you both went into it with your eyes open, and you've agreed to what it says. What probably happened is Suarez's lot suggested the clause, Liverpool (sneakily or not) came up with their wording, at which point Suarez should have read it carefully, refused and suggested his own if he wasn't happy. There are questions regarding honesty in contracts where things are left unsaid. eg We talk about you buying my Ming vase. Before we agree the deal, it breaks, but I don't tell you and you agree to buy it for £50k. In this case though, I'd be surprised if it wasn't all written down in the contract.

The question of interpretation I mentioned comes from a car insurance case where a clause said something like 'cover is excluded when the vehicle is carrying a bigger load than that for which it was designed'. The car crashed with six people in it (it was a five-seater). The company tried to exclude liability as they said six was a bigger load. The driver said that it referred to weight transported rather than numbers. The judge found it was genuinely ambiguous and so was interpreted against the party relying on it, in this case the insurer.

Agree that a sale in inevitable, he's training on his own now. The longer it goes on, the cheaper he's going to get. Would piss myself to find him going to Arsenal for less than £40,000,001. Would be even better if he then did something nuts and got banned all year.

[bobo the clown]

Which is why I previously mentioned him getting a season ending injury while still on Luverpool's books being the ideal scenario .... but mummy got all prissy about that.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Which is why I previously mentioned him getting a season ending injury while still on Luverpool's books being the ideal scenario .... but mummy got all prissy about that.

To be fair, he didn't get 'prissy', he just pointed out he hadn't yet evolved to the level of boboism* that you have achieved. Which infers, he will eventually get there.

* displaying scornful or jaded negativity whilst showing contempt for accepted standards of morality

[BWFC_Insane]

I want him to go to Arsenal (for as little money as possible to screw Liverpool over) and get all bitey at Arsenal. Then see how their self-righteous "we do things the right way" fans react to that.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Brendan's throwing his toys out - Quote: Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers tells striker Luis Suarez to train alone as a result of "total disrespect" for the club.


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[Bruce Rioja]

Here he is singing I Want to Break Free, look.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

He (Brendan) goes on to say: "There were no promises made - categorically none - and no promises broken,
"The club and his representatives had several conversations and he knew exactly where he was at.
"There has been total disrespect of the club - a club that has given him everything.
"Obviously the remarks I've read are bitterly disappointing - but my job is bigger than that."

WTF does that last bit mean - it's bigger than what?

[thebish]

He (Brendan) goes on to say: "There were no promises made - categorically none - and no promises broken,
"The club and his representatives had several conversations and he knew exactly where he was at.
"There has been total disrespect of the club - a club that has given him everything.
"Obviously the remarks I've read are bitterly disappointing - but my job is bigger than that."

WTF does that last bit mean - it's bigger than what?

I suspect he means his job is bigger than spending all his time answering questions about Suarez... he also needs time for vital dressing room interventions in the style of David Brent..

[coffeymagic]

There was a thing on the telly this morning about how Brendan 'Holier than Thou' Rodgers quat the Watford job.

With speculation around him growing he apparently told the press that he was annoyed by the rumours as he still had a job to do at Watford. He was staying at Watford and nothing would persaude him to leave. He had a contract with Watford after all.

Two weeks later.....

It's true that contracts are made to be broken and while Liverpool can legally force Suarez to stay they can't force him to score 40 yard lobs from the half way line and to keep him at the club out of spite will simply hurt them in the long run.

If Arsenal think that Suarez is the missing link to them achieving the glory of a top 4 finish then good luck to him. How many seasons will it be before he remembers something that was muttered to him by a cleaning lady when Barcelona or Man City come crawling?

Best scenario for me is he stays at Liverpool, picks up an 'injury' or claims to be 'mentally unfit' to play and sits in the stands thinking about all his money.

Arsenal in the meantime waste so much energy on this that they miss out on players that may actually help them - because let's face it this season has to be the best chance they'll ever have of winning the league based purely on the fact that their competitors have all changed managers.

They still won't win it because they're bottlers.

In the interests of honesty I would just like to point out that I CANNOT stand Liverpool. The city, the people, its football clubs, the cast of Bread, Margi Clarke, Cilla Black, him that used to say 'Me Rabbits' and Lily Savage.

Just in case you couldn't tell.

[thebish]

There was a thing on the telly this morning about how Brendan 'Holier than Thou' Rodgers quat the Watford job.

With speculation around him growing he apparently told the press that he was annoyed by the rumours as he still had a job to do at Watford. He was staying at Watford and nothing would persaude him to leave. He had a contract with Watford after all.

Two weeks later.....

It's true that contracts are made to be broken and while Liverpool can legally force Suarez to stay they can't force him to score 40 yard lobs from the half way line

true dat... countless managers tried to force KD to do that - total fail...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

they can't force him to score 40 yard lobs from the half way line

Hmmmm, where they playing? Lilliput?

[bobo the clown]

Which is why I previously mentioned him getting a season ending injury while still on Luverpool's books being the ideal scenario .... but mummy got all prissy about that.

To be fair, he didn't get 'prissy', he just pointed out he hadn't yet evolved to the level of boboism* that you have achieved. Which infers, he will eventually get there.

* displaying scornful or jaded negativity whilst showing contempt for accepted standards of morality

First of all I'LL decide what's prissy and what isn't, thank you very much.

... and, second of all, I object to "jaded". My negativity is fresh and alive and blossoming.


As you were.

[Annoyed Grunt]

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What a knob.....

[thebish]

http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/04/doh-liver ... o-3950842/

What a knob.....

reported by this guy:



surely reporters get SOME say over which image of them a paper uses on the web???

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Liverpool's good start has been a real pain in the arse. It's brought them all out of the woodwork.

[mrkint]

Liverpool's good start has been a real pain in the arse. It's brought them all out of the woodwork.

It'll make the inevitable demise even greater though. Gonna have this on RSS https://twitter.com/RAWK_Meltdown" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;