Game for the Poaching at Forest!

[Bruce Rioja]

I think we were probably down your end at least as much as you being up our end first half, without ever creating too much that threatened the keeper. The one we did put in the net was offside, but fine margins and all that - not a lot in it, so we could've gone in 1 a piece at half time.

did it actually go in??

No. Nowhere near.

[e1865]

Considering I saw Forest players whinging at the ref for every little thing and then pratters get a second yellow for dissent sticks in the throat a little

Pratley wasn't sent off for dissent, he was sent off for a foul on Guedioura earlier in the play.

So the poor lamb didn't get a decision and that justifies a horror challenge? Nice one. Medo should've gone of course, but at least he went for the ball. Your mate 'Reidy' went for the man, nothing else, pure revenge tackle.
If you want to justify that go and do it in peace on your own board.

I'm not justifying it, i'm purely saying it wouldn't have happened if the referee had done his job. As for Reid being a dirty player, he's (to my knowledge) never been sent off in a red shirt.

Reasonable observations.

I think we were probably down your end at least as much as you being up our end first half, without ever creating too much that threatened the keeper. The one we did put in the net was offside, but fine margins and all that - not a lot in it, so we could've gone in 1 a piece at half time.

Other than that, I'd agree not much troubling your keeper, which if you read the rest of the thread I reckon you'd find is a reoccurring theme.

Medo probably a red. I don't buy Reid tackle wouldn't have happened - he's a dirty git, and two wrongs etc.

I'm not actually sure the offside header even went in. I watched the highlights this morning and I think it landed on the line, not that it matters though.

[Worthy4England]

I think we were probably down your end at least as much as you being up our end first half, without ever creating too much that threatened the keeper. The one we did put in the net was offside, but fine margins and all that - not a lot in it, so we could've gone in 1 a piece at half time.

did it actually go in??

No. Nowhere near.

Linesman was called Smirnoff.

Nailed on.

[TANGODANCER]

Might sound daft, but if I were asked to say what was wrong yesterday I'd say, "We didn't look like Bolton Wanderers". I'm not even sure why.

[LeverEnd]

Considering I saw Forest players whinging at the ref for every little thing and then pratters get a second yellow for dissent sticks in the throat a little

Pratley wasn't sent off for dissent, he was sent off for a foul on Guedioura earlier in the play.

So the poor lamb didn't get a decision and that justifies a horror challenge? Nice one. Medo should've gone of course, but at least he went for the ball. Your mate 'Reidy' went for the man, nothing else, pure revenge tackle.
If you want to justify that go and do it in peace on your own board.

I'm not justifying it, i'm purely saying it wouldn't have happened if the referee had done his job. As for Reid being a dirty player, he's (to my knowledge) never been sent off in a red shirt.

Reasonable observations.

I think we were probably down your end at least as much as you being up our end first half, without ever creating too much that threatened the keeper. The one we did put in the net was offside, but fine margins and all that - not a lot in it, so we could've gone in 1 a piece at half time.

Other than that, I'd agree not much troubling your keeper, which if you read the rest of the thread I reckon you'd find is a reoccurring theme.

Medo probably a red. I don't buy Reid tackle wouldn't have happened - he's a dirty git, and two wrongs etc.

I'm not actually sure the offside header even went in. I watched the highlights this morning and I think it landed on the line, not that it matters though.

Pratley was rightly sent off for stupid fouls. The Medo tackle was bad, should have been a red and your players were rightly incensed. However Reid deliberately went to injure a player, not sure Medo or Pratley did that. And you have at no point said he should have been sent off, rather pointed the finger at our players and the ref while suggesting that his frustration was understandable. So I'll rephrase it, you're making excuses, defending the indefensible.

[cmbfc_90]

Maybe time Mills got his chance?

[plymouth wanderer]

Maybe time Mills got his chance?

Was thinking the same

[BWFC_Insane]

maybe it's a particular skill that only a few managers have - to take an ill-matched team of not-THAT-promising notsuperstars and blend them into something well beyond the sum of their parts. I was hoping Dougie might have some of that - but it's not that obvious to date - I've not given up on him weaving some magic - nowhere near given up - we're only 3 games in - but - maybe it's just the inevitable start-of-season optimism - I have to confess i am a little disappointed that he hasn't made more of the hand he's been dealt in our first three games...

I only watched the first three games on streams - so probably missed a whole lot - but none of them gave me the impression that we were anything like a well-oiled machine or a group of players who were all committed to a plan where they all knew their place and gave everything they had to the effort to win...

ahh well - despite appearances, i am a stubbornly optimistic person - it'll be reet!

Isn't that what Dougie did at Palace though? Build a team of waifs and strays and get them performing at the top end of this league?

Who out there really can do that though? I mean Allardyce went to West Ham in the championship and didn't try to repeat the on the shoe string job he did here. He spent a lot to take them back up via the play offs. Likes of Nolan, Vaz Te, Maynard all added for a lot of money.

I think it can be done without spending loads, Bruce did it last season at Hull for example, but I would ask whether some of our players who have played a lot of top flight football have the stomach for the scrap that it is to get out of this division in that manner. You might have to be more patient if we are going via that route until we have shifted those players who perhaps don't have the right desire and brought in enough who do.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I would ask whether some of our players who have played a lot of top flight football have the stomach for the scrap that it is to get out of this division in that manner. You might have to be more patient if we are going via that route until we have shifted those players who perhaps don't have the right desire and brought in enough who do.

That's true, but six of the yesterday's starters – Baptiste and Tierney in defence, Medo and Spearing in the heart of matters, Hall and C Davies up the sharp end – were DougBuys. He also brought on another (Beckford), arguably two if you count Odelusi.

Again, to assuage those reading through internet bifocals where everything is black and white, I'm not saying I've given up on Freeman. I'm hopeful that yesterday was a blip rather than part of a downward curve (as an aside I note Burnley have won their other three games since playing us). And I'm sure that things will improve if he gets his own man at the heart of defence – assuming Zat's captaincy was half-pushed on him, although it shouldn't have been. But there are legitimate questions that need to be answered in the best way, on the pitch.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

As for Reid being a dirty player, he's (to my knowledge) never been sent off in a red shirt.

Bzzz. Second yellow late in a 0-4 home defeat to Leeds in Nov '11.



Also sent off at home to Wolves in Oct '04, having scored the winner. (He also got 11 yellows that season.)

But no, in general he's not a dirty player, although he may be getting more angry as he ages.

However, I still think you might be using the two-wrongs argument. Saying "It wouldn't have happened if the referee had done his job" is the kind of post-retribution rationalisation peddled by paedophile-killers. You're probably right that Medo should've walked, but that's no excuse for assault masquerading as rightful crusade. Reid's better than that, and so should Forest be, even if Billy Davies's teams have always reflected the narky niggly personality of their manager.

[BWFC_Insane]

I would ask whether some of our players who have played a lot of top flight football have the stomach for the scrap that it is to get out of this division in that manner. You might have to be more patient if we are going via that route until we have shifted those players who perhaps don't have the right desire and brought in enough who do.

That's true, but six of the yesterday's starters – Baptiste and Tierney in defence, Medo and Spearing in the heart of matters, Hall and C Davies up the sharp end – were DougBuys. He also brought on another (Beckford), arguably two if you count Odelusi.

Again, to assuage those reading through internet bifocals where everything is black and white, I'm not saying I've given up on Freeman. I'm hopeful that yesterday was a blip rather than part of a downward curve (as an aside I note Burnley have won their other three games since playing us). And I'm sure that things will improve if he gets his own man at the heart of defence – assuming Zat's captaincy was half-pushed on him, although it shouldn't have been. But there are legitimate questions that need to be answered in the best way, on the pitch.

Aye I'm not saying that Dougie isn't responsible.

But just that nowadays given the number of teams who spend a lot to get promoted if you're not competing spending wise you might have to be a bit more patient.

I know there are people who think we have as good a squad as any in the division. Perhaps they're right. More I see some of our players struggle in the same things more I wonder whether realistically they are ever going to perform regularly enough here.

Before the season I said we were anywhere from 10th to 4th and I still think we are in that bunch. Key players staying fit will make the difference as whatever the rights and wrongs of it are I don't think we are anywhere close to as good when Eagles is missing.

And I still think we are a confident commanding centre half from doing a lot lot better.

But yes, hope yesterday was a blip and just keep on going. And hope that centre half is just round the corner.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Personally, I think we're a completely different side with a proper centre-back and a creative hub - be it Eagles, Mavies or Moritz. I hope I'm right.

[e1865]

Pratley was rightly sent off for stupid fouls. The Medo tackle was bad, should have been a red and your players were rightly incensed. However Reid deliberately went to injure a player, not sure Medo or Pratley did that. And you have at no point said he should have been sent off, rather pointed the finger at our players and the ref while suggesting that his frustration was understandable. So I'll rephrase it, you're making excuses, defending the indefensible.

The main reason i've not said he should have gone is because i've not had the chance to see it again. No highlight package on YT shows it, the FLS obviously didn't show it and the extended higlights on Forest Player didn't show it either. All I have to go on is what I saw live from the Trent End which is a bad tackle from behind that falls into that hole between a yellow card and a red, just like your winger's tackle on Lichaj at the end.

If the ref was being consistent, we'd have ended with 10 and you'd have ended with 8. Not seen a game like that for some time, very niggly.

[e1865]

Bzzz. Second yellow late in a 0-4 home defeat to Leeds in Nov '11.

Also sent off at home to Wolves in Oct '04, having scored the winner. (He also got 11 yellows that season.)

But no, in general he's not a dirty player, although he may be getting more angry as he ages.

However, I still think you might be using the two-wrongs argument. Saying "It wouldn't have happened if the referee had done his job" is the kind of post-retribution rationalisation peddled by paedophile-killers. You're probably right that Medo should've walked, but that's no excuse for assault masquerading as rightful crusade. Reid's better than that, and so should Forest be, even if Billy Davies's teams have always reflected the narky niggly personality of their manager.

Fair play, I did a short google research before posting but couldn't find anything. I do remember that god-awful Leeds game now, amazing what the mind will block out.

[Prufrock]

I hate the guidelines that say so, but Medo's was as red a reddy red card that you'll ever see. Once you go in two-footed, that's it, and I was astounded when the ref brought out the yellow. That said, I also immediately thought 'what a tart Reid is'. Medo didn't look to go it at any pace or with any malice, and a little waif like him is never hurting a fat bastard like Reid. I thought the ref was going to send him, but didn't look like the sort of tackle you should be getting stroppy over.

That's not to defend it though, it's wasn't malicious, but it was f*cking thick. They've (badly) tried to objectify a subjective concept but everyone knows that if you go in with both feet you're going. Medo should have gone.

That's still a bollocks excuse for Reid though. Pure petulance and he should have walked. That Medo hadn't doesn't change that! I haven't seen either of Pratley's bookings (stream died for one, and t'other was off-camera) but it seemed odd after what the ref had let go. D-Pratz was a mard f*cker all game though. Chungy's was clumsy more than malicious and rightly a booking I thought.

[boltonboris]

Personally, I think we're a completely different side with a proper centre-back and a creative hub - be it Eagles, Mavies or Moritz. I hope I'm right.

I wouldn't expect to see Moritz very often away from the Reebok.

[boltonboris]

Another thing. How long are we going to persist with Knight and his direct costing us of goals and points. It was probably around 15 goals you could pin on him as major feck ups last season. It's already 3 or so this time round.

It's becoming a bit of a joke now, except it's not BWFC fans who are laughing.

Get Mears in and Baptiste in the middle.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Personally, I think we're a completely different side with a proper centre-back and a creative hub - be it Eagles, Mavies or Moritz. I hope I'm right.

I wouldn't expect to see Moritz very often away from the Reebok.

That'll piss him off - he's bored of his hotel room...

[BL3]

You'll be fine though. You're better than Blackburn, far better than Huddersfield and will be mid-table at the very least.

I can assure you that finishing mid-table will not be considered 'fine'.

[Harry Genshaw]

You'll be fine though. You're better than Blackburn, far better than Huddersfield and will be mid-table at the very least.

I can assure you that finishing mid-table will not be considered 'fine'.