Tuesday's Trip to Tranmere

[thebish]

see, Insane one - you and I are broadly of the same opinion - much as it may irritate you!

our poor form is down to dougie making bad managerial decisions - AND injuries - AND a couple of yet-to-be-made key signings

we both agree it is not just one thing - but a combination.

this meeting of minds should be celebrated

However, I criticised him for the QPR team. With the benefit of hindsight I'm not actually sure what I'd have done to change it. I'm not sure if we had anyone available to start who was good enough to have made a difference and possibly he went with the best 11 players he had fit and available. It isn't easy this criticism lark!

awwww - you were doing so well!! you proudly declare that you criticised him - but now - with hindsight - you're not REALLY criticising him because he had no choice!!

some might conclude you are chopping and changing your opinion just to be SEEN to disagree with me - when, actually, we are in agreement!!

c'mon - you can't say he "had a bad one" and that you criticise him for the wrong selection and THEN say that he had no choice - so not really anything he could have done differently!!

[thebish]

I was panicking in the summer about not signing a centre back and I got told not to panic.

I think you're making that up for effect!

[BWFC_Insane]

see, Insane one - you and I are broadly of the same opinion - much as it may irritate you!

our poor form is down to dougie making bad managerial decisions - AND injuries - AND a couple of yet-to-be-made key signings

we both agree it is not just one thing - but a combination.

this meeting of minds should be celebrated

However, I criticised him for the QPR team. With the benefit of hindsight I'm not actually sure what I'd have done to change it. I'm not sure if we had anyone available to start who was good enough to have made a difference and possibly he went with the best 11 players he had fit and available. It isn't easy this criticism lark!

awwww - you were doing so well!! you proudly declare that you criticised him - but now - with hindsight - you're not REALLY criticising him because he had no choice!!

some might conclude you are chopping and changing your opinion just to be SEEN to disagree with me - when, actually, we are in agreement!!

c'mon - you can't say he "had a bad one" and that you criticise him for the wrong selection and THEN say that he had no choice - so not really anything he could have done differently!!

No. I thought he should have played Hall.

Having seen last night I'm not so sure.

Hall has bags of talent but still is learning how to use it. He will be good off the bench and in certain games. I'm not convinced that starting him against QPR having seen him for 90 minutes last night would have made much difference.

[PC1978]

see, Insane one - you and I are broadly of the same opinion - much as it may irritate you!

our poor form is down to dougie making bad managerial decisions - AND injuries - AND a couple of yet-to-be-made key signings

we both agree it is not just one thing - but a combination.

this meeting of minds should be celebrated

However, I criticised him for the QPR team. With the benefit of hindsight I'm not actually sure what I'd have done to change it. I'm not sure if we had anyone available to start who was good enough to have made a difference and possibly he went with the best 11 players he had fit and available. It isn't easy this criticism lark!

awwww - you were doing so well!! you proudly declare that you criticised him - but now - with hindsight - you're not REALLY criticising him because he had no choice!!

some might conclude you are chopping and changing your opinion just to be SEEN to disagree with me - when, actually, we are in agreement!!

c'mon - you can't say he "had a bad one" and that you criticise him for the wrong selection and THEN say that he had no choice - so not really anything he could have done differently!!

No. I thought he should have played Hall.

Having seen last night I'm not so sure.

Hall has bags of talent but still is learning how to use it. He will be good off the bench and in certain games. I'm not convinced that starting him against QPR having seen him for 90 minutes last night would have made much difference.

Surely that would mean you being allowed to change your mind on a fan's forum!!!

[BWFC_Insane]

I was panicking in the summer about not signing a centre back and I got told not to panic.

I think you're making that up for effect!

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[thebish]

No. I thought he should have played Hall.

Having seen last night I'm not so sure.

Hall has bags of talent but still is learning how to use it. He will be good off the bench and in certain games. I'm not convinced that starting him against QPR having seen him for 90 minutes last night would have made much difference.

now you are confusing me.

Are you critical of dougie's selection for that game or not?

[BWFC_Insane]

No. I thought he should have played Hall.

Having seen last night I'm not so sure.

Hall has bags of talent but still is learning how to use it. He will be good off the bench and in certain games. I'm not convinced that starting him against QPR having seen him for 90 minutes last night would have made much difference.

now you are confusing me.

Are you critical of dougie's selection for that game or not?

If he played that team but we had better options then yes.

But what were the better options?

[Lord Kangana]

Didn't Dougie give Wheater a new contract? Its hardly like he's wanted to ship them all out, is it?

I didn't say he wanted to ship them all out. He probably sees Wheater as a long term replacement for Knight.

I'm just trying to point out that Douglas signed two of our current back four, and of the other two made one his captain and handed the other one a new contract. With defence being a bit of an issue, I'm a little sceptical as to the reasons being put forward. It seems to me that its pretty much trhe back four he wanted - after all, he could have had 3/4 of it different, the choice was entirely in his own hands.

[thebish]

No. I thought he should have played Hall.

Having seen last night I'm not so sure.

Hall has bags of talent but still is learning how to use it. He will be good off the bench and in certain games. I'm not convinced that starting him against QPR having seen him for 90 minutes last night would have made much difference.

now you are confusing me.

Are you critical of dougie's selection for that game or not?

If he played that team but we had better options then yes.

But what were the better options?

it sounds to me very much like you are going back on your original boast that you had criticised dougie! perhaps the shock of what you had done was just too much for you?

[PC1978]

Didn't Dougie give Wheater a new contract? Its hardly like he's wanted to ship them all out, is it?

I didn't say he wanted to ship them all out. He probably sees Wheater as a long term replacement for Knight.

I'm just trying to point out that Douglas signed two of our current back four, and of the other two made one his captain and handed the other one a new contract. With defence being a bit of an issue, I'm a little sceptical as to the reasons being put forward. It seems to me that its pretty much trhe back four he wanted - after all, he could have had 3/4 of it different, the choice was entirely in his own hands.

I don't have major problems with Knight or Wheater alongside complimentary central defenders. It is when they play together it goes wrong. Wheater had a good spell alongside Ream and Knight had a good spell with Dawson. My view is that had Mills or Mears gone then we would have made a more serious move for Dawson or somebody similar.

[Lord Kangana]

Maybe. But is that a panacea? What happens when he gets injured (indeed if we even sign him)? If wheats and Knight isn't complimentary, surely you bin one off (in this case Wheater) and try a better blend. Or change tactics, or something. It just looks a bit car crash at thee moment, and seemingly there is an unwillingness to change.

[BL3]

Craig Davies seemingly now has something serious.

An inability to locate the back of the net?

[thebish]

I was panicking in the summer about not signing a centre back and I got told not to panic.

I think you're making that up for effect!

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24549&p=843968&hili ... ck#p843968" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

errr.... what?? that link is to a post where you specifically say you were NOT panicking...

[BWFC_Insane]

I was panicking in the summer about not signing a centre back and I got told not to panic.

I think you're making that up for effect!

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24549&p=843968&hili ... ck#p843968" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

errr.... what?? that link is to a post where you specifically say you were NOT panicking...

Scroll up, third post on the page.

[thebish]

I was panicking in the summer about not signing a centre back and I got told not to panic.

I think you're making that up for effect!

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24549&p=843968&hili ... ck#p843968" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

errr.... what?? that link is to a post where you specifically say you were NOT panicking...

Scroll up, third post on the page.

yeah you say you were slightly anxious - and then go on to say specifically that you were NOT panicking - using the words "Yeah I'm not panicking".

so - you were NOT panicking in the summer about not signing a centre back - you told us specifically that you weren't - you've made that up for effect

[BWFC_Insane]

yeah you say you were slightly anxious - and then go on to say specifically that you were NOT panicking - using the words "Yeah I'm not panicking".

so - you were NOT panicking in the summer about not signing a centre back - you told us specifically that you weren't - you've made that up for effect

Ok I was anxious. Does it matter on the precise wording?

And seemingly I was right to be, as the one in one out policy has meant we've not been able to sign a centre back yet.

[thebish]

yeah you say you were slightly anxious - and then go on to say specifically that you were NOT panicking - using the words "Yeah I'm not panicking".

so - you were NOT panicking in the summer about not signing a centre back - you told us specifically that you weren't - you've made that up for effect

Ok I was anxious. Does it matter on the precise wording?

And seemingly I was right to be, as the one in one out policy has meant we've not been able to sign a centre back yet.

your overblown claim was that you were panicking (you weren't) and your clear implication was that everyone disagreed that signing one was a matter of urgency - they didn't. i can't find anyone posting to say we didn't need to sign a centre back - you were never a lone, martyred voice in this matter...

so far, dougie has chosen to spend what little money he had elsewhere - he disagreed with your priority (about which you were NOT panicking).

can you point me to the quotes from the club about a "one in one out" policy?

[BWFC_Insane]

yeah you say you were slightly anxious - and then go on to say specifically that you were NOT panicking - using the words "Yeah I'm not panicking".

so - you were NOT panicking in the summer about not signing a centre back - you told us specifically that you weren't - you've made that up for effect

Ok I was anxious. Does it matter on the precise wording?

And seemingly I was right to be, as the one in one out policy has meant we've not been able to sign a centre back yet.

your overblown claim was that you were panicking (you weren't) and your clear implication was that everyone disagreed that signing one was a matter of urgency - they didn't. i can't find anyone posting to say we didn't need to sign a centre back - you were never a lone, martyred voice in this matter...

so far, dougie has chosen to spend what little money he had elsewhere - he disagreed with your priority (about which you were NOT panicking).

can you point me to the quotes from the club about a "one in one out" policy?

Here, he says we had to release Sordell to get Moritz. And then later says "Trade offs are the way we're gonna go swapping players in and out".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb5H_moK5pk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And then this.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/10 ... _strategy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But seriously, do you not believe that one in one out is the strategy? Or is it just coincidence that to sign Moritz we had to wait for someone to take one of ours and Spearing happened the same day Brighton agreed a deal for Andrews?

[thebish]

yeah you say you were slightly anxious - and then go on to say specifically that you were NOT panicking - using the words "Yeah I'm not panicking".

so - you were NOT panicking in the summer about not signing a centre back - you told us specifically that you weren't - you've made that up for effect

Ok I was anxious. Does it matter on the precise wording?

And seemingly I was right to be, as the one in one out policy has meant we've not been able to sign a centre back yet.

your overblown claim was that you were panicking (you weren't) and your clear implication was that everyone disagreed that signing one was a matter of urgency - they didn't. i can't find anyone posting to say we didn't need to sign a centre back - you were never a lone, martyred voice in this matter...

so far, dougie has chosen to spend what little money he had elsewhere - he disagreed with your priority (about which you were NOT panicking).

can you point me to the quotes from the club about a "one in one out" policy?

Here, he says we had to release Sordell to get Moritz. And then later says "Trade offs are the way we're gonna go swapping players in and out".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb5H_moK5pk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And then this.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/10 ... _strategy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But seriously, do you not believe that one in one out is the strategy? Or is it just coincidence that to sign Moritz we had to wait for someone to take one of ours and Spearing happened the same day Brighton agreed a deal for Andrews?

i don't think we have a rigid one-in-one-out policy - no - I don't think it can be as simple as that. I guess we will have a better idea at the end of dealings.. if we bring in another couple of players - and none leave - then I guess it will show we don't...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

But seriously, do you not believe that one in one out is the strategy? Or is it just coincidence that to sign Moritz we had to wait for someone to take one of ours and Spearing happened the same day Brighton agreed a deal for Andrews?

i don't think we have a rigid one-in-one-out policy - no - I don't think it can be as simple as that. I guess we will have a better idea at the end of dealings.. if we bring in another couple of players - and none leave - then I guess it will show we don't...

Y'have to say, Bish, that the evidence is piling up. The last two transfers in happened simultaneously with the last two transfers out; the manager has said words to that effect; and we don't look much like getting in an extra body despite what looks increasingly like a legitimate use of that overused phrase "injury crisis" - not to mention an extremely underwhelming start to the season.

Even if we bring in a couple without outgoings, it doesn't prove that one-in-one-out hasn't been the policy since, I dunno, mid-July (when we signed Beckford a fortnight after releasing SKD).