The "Nothing to see here"Transfer thread

[BWFC_Insane]

In which case I'd say we'd best strap ourselves in for a long period in the footballing wilderness. This season was our last chance to make use of the parachute payments. If we're being outspent by Bournemouth and Blackburn then I for one am worried.

you say that like it's a new thing!

I've been pretty happy with the club as a whole for a long time now.

Yes I didn't rate Coyle as a manager. But that is not exactly the same thing.

Since we've gone down I feel the club as a whole has allowed the downward momentum of relegation to go unchecked. Dougie managed to start reversing that last season on the run we had. But I don't think we've ever as a club really re-gained any upwards momentum.

It is more than results and on the field stuff too. Crowds are going down, we don't seem to have any answer to re-invigorating the support and I'm a little disappointed in that.

Gartside seems to have disappeared so as fans we don't have any clear indication of what the club is trying to do or achieve and what the long and short term plans are and how our strategy fits into that.

The messages from Dougie are not to me sounding like a manager happy with his lot. Nixon is stirring the pot but seems to be allowed to go unchecked with that. Nobody from the club for example challenged his Mirror article where he claimed Dougie was having to work on a lower budget than he expected. Nobody from the club has come out to clarify anything like that and usually that does happen at the start of the season. We've just had Dougie's statements which to be honest have sort of backed up what is being said. Even to the point of him admitting frustration at the fans forum and comments like those today.

It doesn't sound a united front. Not to me at least. You may interpret it differently. But that is my reading of events.

[thebish]

In which case I'd say we'd best strap ourselves in for a long period in the footballing wilderness. This season was our last chance to make use of the parachute payments. If we're being outspent by Bournemouth and Blackburn then I for one am worried.

you say that like it's a new thing!

I've been pretty happy with the club as a whole for a long time now.

[BWFC_Insane]

In which case I'd say we'd best strap ourselves in for a long period in the footballing wilderness. This season was our last chance to make use of the parachute payments. If we're being outspent by Bournemouth and Blackburn then I for one am worried.

you say that like it's a new thing!

I've been pretty happy with the club as a whole for a long time now.

Plenty have called for Gartside's head. On here even. Have I ever done that? I've been happy with how the club was run the decisions it made.

I'm talking wider here than just who happens to be manager or who plays up front or left back. I've been one who has defended Gartside broadly where others have been wanting to throw paper planes on the pitch or whatever.

However, right now I'm worried about the direction we're going in as a club. In the broad sense.

[Lord Kangana]

Why the f*ck would the club feel the need to respond to some tabloid tittle tattle? You don't half draw some bizarre conclusions. Its because he's irrelevant, not because its true.

[BWFC_Insane]

Why the f*ck would the club feel the need to respond to some tabloid tittle tattle? You don't half draw some bizarre conclusions. Its because he's irrelevant, not because its true.

It is not just responding to one article. And lets be clear that article was an interview Freedman chose to give to Nixon. It wasn't just a gossip piece. If he is so irrelevant I'd suggest the manager shouldn't be giving him an interview in the first place.

But there are the same mutterings in the Bolton News articles from today but also over the past few weeks.

The quotes from the manager. His admitted "frustration".

Gartside usually is interviewed a few times early on in the season to discuss the aims, the plans etc. But he's been incredibly quiet this time.

[Lord Kangana]

So this is your get out clause if he doesn't turn out to be the next Allardyce then? I must admit, even I'm impressed with getting it in so soon.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Why the f*ck would the club feel the need to respond to some tabloid tittle tattle? You don't half draw some bizarre conclusions. Its because he's irrelevant, not because its true.

It is not just responding to one article. And lets be clear that article was an interview Freedman chose to give to Nixon. It wasn't just a gossip piece. If he is so irrelevant I'd suggest the manager shouldn't be giving him an interview in the first place.

But there are the same mutterings in the Bolton News articles from today but also over the past few weeks.

The quotes from the manager. His admitted "frustration".

Gartside usually is interviewed a few times early on in the season to discuss the aims, the plans etc. But he's been incredibly quiet this time.

I broadly agree with what you are saying. It does seem to me that the hints and nudges about money drying up are a possible disagreement in waiting between Dougie and Eddie. I'm also a little worried that Eddie seems to be in retrenchment mode, and I think that is a fundamentally wrong position to be taking at this point in history.
as for Gartside, I've no opinion one way or the other, but presumably he's more on Eddie's side than Dougie's if an argument is brewing.

[BWFC_Insane]

So this is your get out clause if he doesn't turn out to be the next Allardyce then? I must admit, even I'm impressed with getting it in so soon.

Freedman is saying the squad is not strong enough. If Eddie doesn't agree, he surely should get a manager who thinks it is strong enough.

Fact is I think Freedman is a very good young manager who will do very well in the game. I've said that and I'm not changing my opinion. If we don't back him as a football club with every bit of resource we possibly can we will regret it. For a long time.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Why the f*ck would the club feel the need to respond to some tabloid tittle tattle? You don't half draw some bizarre conclusions. Its because he's irrelevant, not because its true.

It is not just responding to one article. And lets be clear that article was an interview Freedman chose to give to Nixon. It wasn't just a gossip piece. If he is so irrelevant I'd suggest the manager shouldn't be giving him an interview in the first place.

But there are the same mutterings in the Bolton News articles from today but also over the past few weeks.

The quotes from the manager. His admitted "frustration".

Gartside usually is interviewed a few times early on in the season to discuss the aims, the plans etc. But he's been incredibly quiet this time.

[BWFC_Insane]

Why the f*ck would the club feel the need to respond to some tabloid tittle tattle? You don't half draw some bizarre conclusions. Its because he's irrelevant, not because its true.

It is not just responding to one article. And lets be clear that article was an interview Freedman chose to give to Nixon. It wasn't just a gossip piece. If he is so irrelevant I'd suggest the manager shouldn't be giving him an interview in the first place.

But there are the same mutterings in the Bolton News articles from today but also over the past few weeks.

The quotes from the manager. His admitted "frustration".

Gartside usually is interviewed a few times early on in the season to discuss the aims, the plans etc. But he's been incredibly quiet this time.

I broadly agree with what you are saying. It does seem to me that the hints and nudges about money drying up are a possible disagreement in waiting between Dougie and Eddie. I'm also a little worried that Eddie seems to be in retrenchment mode, and I think that is a fundamentally wrong position to be taking at this point in history.
as for Gartside, I've no opinion one way or the other, but presumably he's more on Eddie's side than Dougie's if an argument is brewing.

Gartside is employed by Eddie. Whatever his opinions are one way or the other, he can only carry out Eddie's wishes.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Why the f*ck would the club feel the need to respond to some tabloid tittle tattle? You don't half draw some bizarre conclusions. Its because he's irrelevant, not because its true.

It is not just responding to one article. And lets be clear that article was an interview Freedman chose to give to Nixon. It wasn't just a gossip piece. If he is so irrelevant I'd suggest the manager shouldn't be giving him an interview in the first place.

But there are the same mutterings in the Bolton News articles from today but also over the past few weeks.

The quotes from the manager. His admitted "frustration".

Gartside usually is interviewed a few times early on in the season to discuss the aims, the plans etc. But he's been incredibly quiet this time.

I broadly agree with what you are saying. It does seem to me that the hints and nudges about money drying up are a possible disagreement in waiting between Dougie and Eddie. I'm also a little worried that Eddie seems to be in retrenchment mode, and I think that is a fundamentally wrong position to be taking at this point in history.
as for Gartside, I've no opinion one way or the other, but presumably he's more on Eddie's side than Dougie's if an argument is brewing.

Gartside is employed by Eddie. Whatever his opinions are one way or the other, he can only carry out Eddie's wishes.

I don't think he's employed just to carry out the dictatorial whim's of the owner, otherwise why have a board at all? I would have thought he was employed as chairman of BWFC not as Eddie's henchman.

[Lord Kangana]

So you're taking the side of a young manager who has proven absolutely nothing in the game (and let's not waste pages and pages of this thread, he hasn't) over the man who, at his own expense, has bankrolled the most successful period this club has known a generation? Just because you have a hunch he might be good? And it'll be all Eddie's fault if he fails here?

Breathtaking. Even more breathtaking that anyone could be taken in by this shit.

[BWFC_Insane]

So you're taking the side of a young manager who has proven absolutely nothing in the game (and let's not waste pages and pages of this thread, he hasn't) over the man who, at his own expense, has bankrolled the most successful period this club has known a generation? Just because you have a hunch he might be good? And it'll be all Eddie's fault if he fails here?

Breathtaking. Even more breathtaking that anyone could be taken in by this shit.

It isn't about taking sides. We all want the club to be a success. I agree with Freedman that the squad isn't big enough to cope with the demands on it. I also think that by not strengthening from where we are now, when others are, will only lead one way. And as a supporter that isn't a pleasant way. It may be we have no choice. Fine, but I think that message should be out there so that at least people know what is happening.

I think that you of all people trying to make out that we need to take sides is laughable. Were you supportive of Phil and Eddie when they appointed Megson? Did you support them when they continued to back him?

Even when Coyle was in charge and failing I was not calling for Gartside's head.

And I'm not doing now. I'm expressing a concern about where we're headed as a club and I genuinely don't understand what we are trying to achieve.

If it is a long term plan to grow the academy and radically cut costs, then come out and tell us. The messages are not clear. The actions are not clear.

[Lord Kangana]

We've been cutting costs for the best part of three years now. I can only draw the conclusion that you got way ahead of yourself with Freedman and so choose now to draw attention to it.

[BWFC_Insane]

We've been cutting costs for the best part of three years now. I can only draw the conclusion that you got way ahead of yourself with Freedman and so choose now to draw attention to it.

I've been saying this for a while, since before the season started.

The concern has grown with each passing interview.

I find it odd that we signed Spearing if everything is so tight.

If we were cutting costs for 3 seasons then I equally find it odd we splashed out on NGog and Sordell. And Matt Mills last summer.

[Lord Kangana]

Splashed out. That's brilliant. 1/3rd of a Cahill and significantly less than the cost of Elmander and Klasnic. But we could go on pointlessly for hours. What's clear is you're saying that it won't be Dougie's fault if it all goes wrong.

[plymouth wanderer]

Fvck sake leave it out!!! And make your own thread

Keep comming on to see the transfer thread lit up and thinking we've signed someone

[BWFC_Insane]

Splashed out. That's brilliant. 1/3rd of a Cahill and significantly less than the cost of Elmander and Klasnic. But we could go on pointlessly for hours. What's clear is you're saying that it won't be Dougie's fault if it all goes wrong.

NGog and Sordell cost £7M (Cahill was £5M btw). That is not the actions of a club desperately cutting costs.

Coyle signed Klasnic permanently so if you like add him to the list of deals that "don't make sense against supposed cost cutting measures"

I don't see any strategy here. I'm not looking for an argument over who is at fault, whereas you seem to be.

If Freedman is saying the squad isn't strong enough and Eddie/PG disagree with that, then they either have to back him, or go and find someone who feels the squad is strong enough without further additions. At which point we can see who is right/wrong. Surely? But where we are now, I'm simply asking what the club is trying to do, and how they are trying to do it.

If it is simply cutting costs with nothing else to compensate then I fear for us.

[StaffsTrotter]

So you're taking the side of a young manager who has proven absolutely nothing in the game (and let's not waste pages and pages of this thread, he hasn't) over the man who, at his own expense, has bankrolled the most successful period this club has known a generation? Just because you have a hunch he might be good? And it'll be all Eddie's fault if he fails here?

Breathtaking. Even more breathtaking that anyone could be taken in by this shit.

It isn't about taking sides. We all want the club to be a success. I agree with Freedman that the squad isn't big enough to cope with the demands on it. I also think that by not strengthening from where we are now, when others are, will only lead one way. And as a supporter that isn't a pleasant way. It may be we have no choice. Fine, but I think that message should be out there so that at least people know what is happening.

I think that you of all people trying to make out that we need to take sides is laughable. Were you supportive of Phil and Eddie when they appointed Megson? Did you support them when they continued to back him?

Even when Coyle was in charge and failing I was not calling for Gartside's head.

And I'm not doing now. I'm expressing a concern about where we're headed as a club and I genuinely don't understand what we are trying to achieve.

If it is a long term plan to grow the academy and radically cut costs, then come out and tell us. The messages are not clear. The actions are not clear.

Must say I'm not convinced with all this talk about lack of spend/ not strengthening. As ever people react to results and changing views on players.

What is the balance in terms of numbers out and in from end of last season to this one ? My impression is that we had more in than left.

We may be picking up frees/ relatively low cost, but I suspect the wages we offer are pretty good - evidence Andrews and competitor comments when we signed Baptiste

Don't know the stats but I'd expect comparative Champship wise we have a biggish squad.

Before the season started we were all talking about how many of everything we had and questioned how we would accomodate / keep them happy. The answer has been to send a couple out on loan. But nevertheless the fact remains that we have a lot of very well paid players - certainly too expensive for anyone else it seems. Underperforming or mispriced is everyones call

The only googly DF has been sent is injuries partic to our key creative talents.

As ever a manager wants more, but that battle goes on in every club.

[BWFC_Insane]

So you're taking the side of a young manager who has proven absolutely nothing in the game (and let's not waste pages and pages of this thread, he hasn't) over the man who, at his own expense, has bankrolled the most successful period this club has known a generation? Just because you have a hunch he might be good? And it'll be all Eddie's fault if he fails here?

Breathtaking. Even more breathtaking that anyone could be taken in by this shit.

It isn't about taking sides. We all want the club to be a success. I agree with Freedman that the squad isn't big enough to cope with the demands on it. I also think that by not strengthening from where we are now, when others are, will only lead one way. And as a supporter that isn't a pleasant way. It may be we have no choice. Fine, but I think that message should be out there so that at least people know what is happening.

I think that you of all people trying to make out that we need to take sides is laughable. Were you supportive of Phil and Eddie when they appointed Megson? Did you support them when they continued to back him?

Even when Coyle was in charge and failing I was not calling for Gartside's head.

And I'm not doing now. I'm expressing a concern about where we're headed as a club and I genuinely don't understand what we are trying to achieve.

If it is a long term plan to grow the academy and radically cut costs, then come out and tell us. The messages are not clear. The actions are not clear.

Must say I'm not convinced with all this talk about lack of spend/ not strengthening. As ever people react to results and changing views on players.

What is the balance in terms of numbers out and in from end of last season to this one ? My impression is that we had more in than left.

We may be picking up frees/ relatively low cost, but I suspect the wages we offer are pretty good - evidence Andrews and competitor comments when we signed Baptiste

Don't know the stats but I'd expect comparative Champship wise we have a biggish squad.

Before the season started we were all talking about how many of everything we had and questioned how we would accomodate / keep them happy. The answer has been to send a couple out on loan. But nevertheless the fact remains that we have a lot of very well paid players - certainly too expensive for anyone else it seems. Underperforming or mispriced is everyones call

The only googly DF has been sent is injuries partic to our key creative talents.

As ever a manager wants more, but that battle goes on in every club.

If you ignore the players added to the U21 squad, it is pretty much one for one.

But if you take the squad we had towards the end of last season, Hall has effectively replaced himself. Spearing replaces himself, so we're net one down with Andrews going out. Dawson hasn't been replaced from that either. So in effect we're 2 players down. Andrews was injured so perhaps we don't count him. So one player down.

Ricketts...Baptiste.
Tierney.....Alonso
Beckford...K Davies
Spearing...Andrews
Hall....Dawson?
Moritz...Sordell