Freedman out!

[Bruce Rioja]

There is some bravery and honour in admitting things are wrong, changing the system, bringing on a striker for a defender (Mourinho did it tonight), subbing the skipper. But it also is an admission you got it wrong.

This is now his squad, his team, his mess. I'm not at the point it wanting him out, but that 10-game mark is coming soon, and he's not making it easy.

Same here. I want him to succeed and ... naively maybe, feel he's doing a lot of good things overall. .However, he needs
to start getting some results or nothing will save him..

Likewise, but in the last two home defeats we've seen formations descend into such desperation as throwing Zat Knight up as a centre forward and today's finishing 3-4-3. Going up?

[Lord Kangana]

So we had loads of money 11 months ago? Brilliant. This forum astounds me at times.

[jaffka]

So we had loads of money 11 months ago? Brilliant. This forum astounds me at times.

He is a feck* and a troll, best to ignore him.

[SmokinFrazier]

(i)Our financial issues are related to our high wages given to the players. We're paying too much on wages, so that means we can't afford to bring new players in until we get rid of some of the old ones.

(ii)However, that doesn't mean we can't afford to sack Freedman and bring another manager in because those finances are a separate issue.

(i) Honestly? Well spotted, you. fecking hell fire

(ii) Go on then. Let us learn how you've arrived at that?!

What you pay the manager and other outgoings aren't affected by FFP, whereas player transfers and wages are. We can get rid of our manager and his team without that affecting our FFP status.

[jaffka]

(i)Our financial issues are related to our high wages given to the players. We're paying too much on wages, so that means we can't afford to bring new players in until we get rid of some of the old ones.

(ii)However, that doesn't mean we can't afford to sack Freedman and bring another manager in because those finances are a separate issue.

(i) Honestly? Well spotted, you. fecking hell fire

(ii) Go on then. Let us learn how you've arrived at that?!

What you pay the manager and other outgoings aren't affected by FFP, whereas player transfers and wages are. We can get rid of our manager and his team without that affecting our FFP status.

Prob be good to post a link to you're facts and put this beyond doubt.

[SmokinFrazier]

Out of interest, where is it written in stone that we're paying too much in wages? It keeps getting trotted out, but when I challenged BWFCi a few days ago on the details of Wheater's contract (from my perspective on the basis that I find it it incredulous that he would have taken a, say, 50% cut) everybody backs off.

Are we really paying too much? And if so, why aren't players bashing down our door to play for us? Or are they? Really?

I'm going off what Freedman has said, so if that's wrong, I apologise. I'm not sure at all, to be honest, I don't think that sort of information is ever released to the fans so I just took what Freedman said to be accurate. We're allowed to make a loss of £8m by the end of the year and I'd imagine the financial restrictions Freedman has talked about are because we're pushing that at the moment, which leaves us without the freedom of bringing new talent in.

[Bruce Rioja]

(i)Our financial issues are related to our high wages given to the players. We're paying too much on wages, so that means we can't afford to bring new players in until we get rid of some of the old ones.

(ii)However, that doesn't mean we can't afford to sack Freedman and bring another manager in because those finances are a separate issue.

(i) Honestly? Well spotted, you. fecking hell fire

(ii) Go on then. Let us learn how you've arrived at that?!

What you pay the manager and other outgoings aren't affected by FFP, whereas player transfers and wages are. We can get rid of our manager and his team without that affecting our FFP status.

Ah, we can pay them off with money that we can magic up?! Magic, Our Maurice! Brilliant from you there. What about magic beans instead?

[SmokinFrazier]

(i)Our financial issues are related to our high wages given to the players. We're paying too much on wages, so that means we can't afford to bring new players in until we get rid of some of the old ones.

(ii)However, that doesn't mean we can't afford to sack Freedman and bring another manager in because those finances are a separate issue.

(i) Honestly? Well spotted, you. fecking hell fire

(ii) Go on then. Let us learn how you've arrived at that?!

What you pay the manager and other outgoings aren't affected by FFP, whereas player transfers and wages are. We can get rid of our manager and his team without that affecting our FFP status.

Prob be good to post a link to you're facts and put this beyond doubt.

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Replacing a manager would come under '• The profit affecting element of the purchase, sale and depreciation of fixed assets excluding players (e.g. a club's stadium)', I think. That's how it works elsewhere in Europe though the football league explanation isn't very thorough, unfortunately.

[SmokinFrazier]

(i)Our financial issues are related to our high wages given to the players. We're paying too much on wages, so that means we can't afford to bring new players in until we get rid of some of the old ones.

(ii)However, that doesn't mean we can't afford to sack Freedman and bring another manager in because those finances are a separate issue.

(i) Honestly? Well spotted, you. fecking hell fire

(ii) Go on then. Let us learn how you've arrived at that?!

What you pay the manager and other outgoings aren't affected by FFP, whereas player transfers and wages are. We can get rid of our manager and his team without that affecting our FFP status.

Ah, we can pay them off with money that we can magic up?! Magic, Our Maurice! Brilliant from you there. What about magic beans instead?

What's the deal with this antagonism? If you disagree with me, tell me why or don't reply to me at all. I have no interest in talking to someone who just wants to throw around idiotic comments considering I've done nothing to warrant that.

[Bruce Rioja]

(i)Our financial issues are related to our high wages given to the players. We're paying too much on wages, so that means we can't afford to bring new players in until we get rid of some of the old ones.

(ii)However, that doesn't mean we can't afford to sack Freedman and bring another manager in because those finances are a separate issue.

(i) Honestly? Well spotted, you. fecking hell fire

(ii) Go on then. Let us learn how you've arrived at that?!

What you pay the manager and other outgoings aren't affected by FFP, whereas player transfers and wages are. We can get rid of our manager and his team without that affecting our FFP status.

Ah, we can pay them off with money that we can magic up?! Magic, Our Maurice! Brilliant from you there. What about magic beans instead?

What's the deal with this antagonism? If you disagree with me, tell me why or don't reply to me at all. I have no interest in talking to someone who just wants to throw around idiotic comments considering I've done nothing to warrant that.

You posted your 'Freedman Out' comment in the 'Freedman Out' thread before the game had even finished. Does that not make clear your agenda? You're the one throwing around idiotic comments, like we can afford to pay off DF because it isn't effected by FFP.

Like I asked, how have you arrived at that? It's a perfectly reasonable question that you haven't answered.

[SmokinFrazier]

You posted your 'Freedman Out' comment in the 'Freedman Out' thread before the game had even finished. Does that not make clear your agenda? You're the one throwing around idiotic comments, like we can afford to pay off DF because it isn't effected by FFP.

Like I asked, how have you arrived at that? It's a perfectly reasonable question that you haven't answered.

I have answered it in one of the posts above. FFP doesn't seem to include managerial changes, though if I am wrong in that, I apologise. It's not listed on the football league website and I don't think UEFA include managerial changes either. The only exclusion to incomings/outgoings on the football league website are players, with no mention of other staff.

And, no, the game had already ended before I made my post. I presume you're going off the comment from thebish, where he said "you couldn't wait", though he didn't mean that literally. What difference it'd make, I don't know. Who cares whether I posted it at full time or half time? It makes no difference.

[Jakerbeef]

One of the most salient points made so far. He's gone public about the size of his cock, then shown it to them in the dressing room. And they laughed.

That's dangerously close to player power though. If they aren't performing for the guy, it's not really right he gets the high jump. I know technically it's his job to get them onside and motivated, but feck me, who would like having Knight in the dressing room.

Can you imagine giving a guy the armband and then have him putting in shifts like that? Then giving 2nd and 3rd chances only for him to do it again and again, all with the same poxy, useless attitude.

I'd be tearing my hair out. Or tearing up his contract and telling him to do one.

[gizmothevoomer]

Financial fair play is currently a toothless ideal, whilst clubs have FPP targets to hit no sanctions will be implemented until Dec 2015 in order to give clubs time to make the transition.

By my understanding last year we missed the the target by 6 Million, had sanctions been in place we would of had a transfer embargo placed upon us for this season.


Replacing a manager would come under '• The profit affecting element of the purchase, sale and depreciation of fixed assets excluding players (e.g. a club's stadium)', I think. That's how it works elsewhere in Europe though the football league explanation isn't very thorough, unfortunately.

DF and his team could not be reguarded as Fixed Assets so any payout would not be exempt from FPP. It does protect us from any losses incurred by the Hotel however.

[thebish]

One of the most salient points made so far. He's gone public about the size of his cock, then shown it to them in the dressing room. And they laughed.

That's dangerously close to player power though. If they aren't performing for the guy, it's not really right he gets the high jump. I know technically it's his job to get them onside and motivated, but feck me, who would like having Knight in the dressing room.

some one who made him captain??

[truewhite15]

You posted your 'Freedman Out' comment in the 'Freedman Out' thread before the game had even finished. Does that not make clear your agenda? You're the one throwing around idiotic comments, like we can afford to pay off DF because it isn't effected by FFP.

Like I asked, how have you arrived at that? It's a perfectly reasonable question that you haven't answered.

I have answered it in one of the posts above. FFP doesn't seem to include managerial changes, though if I am wrong in that, I apologise. It's not listed on the football league website and I don't think UEFA include managerial changes either. The only exclusion to incomings/outgoings on the football league website are players, with no mention of other staff.

And, no, the game had already ended before I made my post. I presume you're going off the comment from thebish, where he said "you couldn't wait", though he didn't mean that literally. What difference it'd make, I don't know. Who cares whether I posted it at full time or half time? It makes no difference.

I think the point you're missing is that, whether it comes under FFP or not, we don't have the money to pay him off and replace him.

[BWFC_Insane]

Wow an awful last 24 hours I've just had, been in hospital for most of them.

Anyhow having missed the drama at Leeds through hospitalisation but understanding we were absolutely dreadful, I do get why people are wonky thinking Freedman should go.

My belief is still that he should stay. I get that a new manager might bring about an upturn in results in the short term in say a honeymoon period where some of the players put the yards in to impress the new boss. But what then? We have no money. Once they revert to type (and for me they will, too much of a pattern is emerging here) where do we go?

No money to spend so seemingly our future depends upon bringing through our own on very limited funds. We have a manager who at Palace worked under similar restrictions.

Would Pulis who is used to spending big cheques do the same?

Sure we all agree that we are miles off where we should be right now but for me we stick it out and hang firm. I believe we have a good manager who is going through a rough spot right now but will come good. I desperately worry that if we change we become this seasons Wolves! Which we might anyways, but I just think we need to stick together and fight through this. A couple of wins and everything could change!

[Barefoot Wanderer]

Freedman is poor to anyone with even the most over-active imagination but who's gonna come to Bolton now?

Martin O'Neil ? (don't think so)

Steve Keane maybe? or Graham Souness (definite could be)

Honestly? - we're stuck with DF.

Phil Gartside is the one we should be getting rid of first - how many bad decisions and public statements will he have to make before Eddie Davies actually does something about this little man

Or maybe ED is happy collecting the interest payments to finance his debt? And thinks PG is doing a good job

GARTSIDE OUT!!!

[BL3]

My opinion in this league and given our squad and financial resources anywhere between 8 and 13 would be a satisfactory, any higher and we will of over performed any lower and questions should be asked.

QPR, Forest and Wigan are the only teams in the Championship who spent more than us in the last transfer window. A few have spent precisely nothing, including Burnley who also had to sell their leading scorer.

And how do we fund his sacking, and who do we get in?

Let's have a whip round and get Gus Poyet in.

[BL3]

That's dangerously close to player power though. If they aren't performing for the guy, it's not really right he gets the high jump.

Yes it is. If he's not strong enough to manage professional footballers then he shouldn't be doing the job. Can you imagine Allardyce or Rioch putting up with players whose egos are bigger than their talent?

[Lord Kangana]

One of the most salient points made so far. He's gone public about the size of his cock, then shown it to them in the dressing room. And they laughed.

That's dangerously close to player power though. If they aren't performing for the guy, it's not really right he gets the high jump. I know technically it's his job to get them onside and motivated, but feck me, who would like having Knight in the dressing room.

some one who made him captain??

Yeah, I think that kind of answers my point. The defence is obviously an issue. If he believes Zat Knight is the solution (and, to be clear, he has plenty of options that don't include Zat Knight as the answer) then there are serious problems. Particularly after he acknowledged Knight's poor performance and how it had affected him after Blackburn. I for one beg the question who it was he was singling out from that poor performance, when it seems we've simply carried on as per, despite his public outburst about the players?