Freedman out!

[Lord Kangana]

Wow an awful last 24 hours I've just had, been in hospital for most of them.

Anyhow having missed the drama at Leeds through hospitalisation but understanding we were absolutely dreadful, I do get why people are wonky thinking Freedman should go.

My belief is still that he should stay. I get that a new manager might bring about an upturn in results in the short term in say a honeymoon period where some of the players put the yards in to impress the new boss. But what then? We have no money. Once they revert to type (and for me they will, too much of a pattern is emerging here) where do we go?

No money to spend so seemingly our future depends upon bringing through our own on very limited funds. We have a manager who at Palace worked under similar restrictions.

Would Pulis who is used to spending big cheques do the same?

Sure we all agree that we are miles off where we should be right now but for me we stick it out and hang firm. I believe we have a good manager who is going through a rough spot right now but will come good. I desperately worry that if we change we become this seasons Wolves! Which we might anyways, but I just think we need to stick together and fight through this. A couple of wins and everything could change!

It would appear we already are this seasons Wolves.

But 11/10 for floating the idea that if he goes it will be the change, and not our poorest start in 50 years, that will have the greatest bearing on our final league position.

[Tombwfc]

Wow an awful last 24 hours I've just had, been in hospital for most of them.

Anyhow having missed the drama at Leeds through hospitalisation but understanding we were absolutely dreadful, I do get why people are wonky thinking Freedman should go.

My belief is still that he should stay. I get that a new manager might bring about an upturn in results in the short term in say a honeymoon period where some of the players put the yards in to impress the new boss. But what then? We have no money. Once they revert to type (and for me they will, too much of a pattern is emerging here) where do we go?

No money to spend so seemingly our future depends upon bringing through our own on very limited funds. We have a manager who at Palace worked under similar restrictions.

Would Pulis who is used to spending big cheques do the same?

Sure we all agree that we are miles off where we should be right now but for me we stick it out and hang firm. I believe we have a good manager who is going through a rough spot right now but will come good. I desperately worry that if we change we become this seasons Wolves! Which we might anyways, but I just think we need to stick together and fight through this. A couple of wins and everything could change!

That is all nonsense though (except the part about your being in hospital of course, I hope it's nothing serious).

The only reason we had no money for players towards the end of the transfer window and no money now is because Dougie has already spent all of it. Baptiste was being chased by half the Championship (I think it was Derby's chairman who called his wage demands eye-watering). Tierney was a bosman from a Premier League club. If we got Beckford for 50% of what he was on at Leicester it would still be an absolute fortune. Spearing was in the first team squad at Liverpool and cost £1.5-2m. When we've finished paying compo for White, Wilkinson and Hall that will be nudging the £1m mark.

This idea that we just can't possibly compete financially in this division is just an excuse. It's shite. The wage bill will still be comfortably over the £20m mark which puts us well up there among the top clubs in the division.

Two points out of six games in this division with the players Dougie has at his disposal is pathetic. There are no excuses. He's had the time and money to build his own squad and we're as far away from going back up as we were when he started.

For whatever his various faults, the idea that Tony Pulis needs a huge chequebook to manage is ridiculous. This is a man who's managerial CV reads... Bournemouth, Gillingham, Bristol City, Portsmouth, Stoke City, Plymouth Argyle, Stoke City. He's been managing club's with a lot less money than we have now since Dougie was in his teens.

[BL3]

If we got Beckford for 50% of what he was on at Leicester it would still be an absolute fortune.

Don't forget that we also paid a £1M transfer fee. So we've probably spent close to £4M in total. We're comfortably one of the top four spenders in the Championship. Hiding behind a lack of funds isn't a credible excuse.

[BWFC_Insane]

Tom, you say Pulis worked with reduced budgets elsewhere which is true, but how successfully?

He did well at Gillingham before some sort of major fall out with their chairman that went to court over blackmail accusations iirc.

But after that Stoke is his one real success and he spent considerably there only for the fans to get bored and want him out.

Fact is that I fear any manager coming in might get a little more out of the group for a short time before it reverts back. Bottom line is that whoever is in charge isn't going to get us up without spending some money, IMO at least. And it appears Eddie doesn't want to.

I don't know what the answer is frankly. If we do change manager and it proves to be that simple then I will be delighted. But sadly I highly doubt that is the case.

[BL3]

Bottom line is that whoever is in charge isn't going to get us up without spending some money, IMO at least. And it appears Eddie doesn't want to.

'Eddie' has spent money. Only Forest have a net spend greater than ours this season.

[Worthy4England]

Tom, you say Pulis worked with reduced budgets elsewhere which is true, but how successfully?

He did well at Gillingham before some sort of major fall out with their chairman that went to court over blackmail accusations iirc.

But after that Stoke is his one real success and he spent considerably there only for the fans to get bored and want him out.

Fact is that I fear any manager coming in might get a little more out of the group for a short time before it reverts back. Bottom line is that whoever is in charge isn't going to get us up without spending some money, IMO at least. And it appears Eddie doesn't want to.

I don't know what the answer is frankly. If we do change manager and it proves to be that simple then I will be delighted. But sadly I highly doubt that is the case.

None of which necessarily means staying with Freedman is the better of the options.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Bottom line is that whoever is in charge isn't going to get us up without spending some money, IMO at least. And it appears Eddie doesn't want to.

'Eddie' has spent money. Only Forest have a net spend greater than ours this season.

I'd like to see some confirmation of this, other than you making a statement. I'd normally ask for you to provide this, but as it's you, and I know you won't respond, because you never do, I'll satisfy myself with a "Get to fxck... "

[Tombwfc]

Tom, you say Pulis worked with reduced budgets elsewhere which is true, but how successfully?

He did well at Gillingham before some sort of major fall out with their chairman that went to court over blackmail accusations iirc.

But after that Stoke is his one real success and he spent considerably there only for the fans to get bored and want him out.

Fact is that I fear any manager coming in might get a little more out of the group for a short time before it reverts back. Bottom line is that whoever is in charge isn't going to get us up without spending some money, IMO at least. And it appears Eddie doesn't want to.

I don't know what the answer is frankly. If we do change manager and it proves to be that simple then I will be delighted. But sadly I highly doubt that is the case.

There has been money to spend, Dougie has spent it. I can't put that any more clearly than I did in my previous post. There will be money to spend again if we shift some of the players we already have. That's the reality for the vast majority of Football League clubs, if not all of them. We're not some bankrupt special case who've been left behind by the colossal spending power of Blackpool and Burnley.

I didn't put forward Tony Pulis as the answer (although personally I would have no problem if he was to turn up here), I was just stating that far from being some kind of Harry Redknapp figure, he has much more experience at working within a tight budget than Dougie Freedman.

He spent money at Stoke, but he earned that by getting them promoted and establishing them as a Premier League team. In the season they went up he spent £3.5m and recouped £3.75m.

[BL3]

We're not some bankrupt special case who've been left behind by the colossal spending power of Blackpool and Burnley.

Don't forget big-spending Yeovil and their array of world class centre halves.

[Peter Thompson]

Has he gone yet....?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Has he gone yet....?

No, the arse is lurking.
Strange though, how when directly challenged to respond, the knobhead always backs out!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

In fact

BL3
TALKS MOSTLY THROUGH HIS ARSE.
HE NEVER RESPONDS TO DIRECT CRITICISM EXCEPT THROUGH TANGENTIAL SNIDE REMARKS.
HE QUITE OFTEN STATES 'FACTS' THAT ARE NOTHING SHORT OF OPINION,
BUT ALWAYS FAILS TO RESPOND TO FACTS THAT OPPOSE HIS BOLLOCKY 'OPINION'.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

But then maybe he (and his fellow trolls, such as Up the M61) are truly superior to me. I feel like they should be.

[SmokinFrazier]

Wow an awful last 24 hours I've just had, been in hospital for most of them.

Hope you're alright!

No money to spend so seemingly our future depends upon bringing through our own on very limited funds. We have a manager who at Palace worked under similar restrictions.

Would Pulis who is used to spending big cheques do the same?

Pulis has done a good job before on a small budget, though what he spent at Stoke recently is besides the point. He's a quality manager and he's always got the best out of his players, so I have no doubt he'd do the same for us. He spent a lot at Stoke but only because that money was offered to him. Mourinho has always had money to spend too, yet if he came in, we'd go on to win the league this year. The fact that Pulis has succeeded when he's had money to spend doesn't mean to say he can't have similar success without money.

[SmokinFrazier]

Bottom line is that whoever is in charge isn't going to get us up without spending some money, IMO at least. And it appears Eddie doesn't want to.

'Eddie' has spent money. Only Forest have a net spend greater than ours this season.

...and the reason we can't spend even more is because our wages are currently too high for FFP until we can sell players. Simple. I don't see any reason to suggest we're in a terrible position financially. A team who can afford to spend £1.5m and high wages on someone who plays in a in a position they already have depth in aren't doing too badly. Tierney, Moritz and Baptiste will also be on good wages considering we got them for free.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Wow an awful last 24 hours I've just had, been in hospital for most of them.

Hope you're alright!

No money to spend so seemingly our future depends upon bringing through our own on very limited funds. We have a manager who at Palace worked under similar restrictions.

Would Pulis who is used to spending big cheques do the same?

Pulis has done a good job before on a small budget, though what he spent at Stoke recently is besides the point. He's a quality manager and he's always got the best out of his players, so I have no doubt he'd do the same for us. He spent a lot at Stoke but only because that money was offered to him. Mourinho has always had money to spend too, yet if he came in, we'd go on to win the league this year. The fact that Pulis has succeeded when he's had money to spend doesn't mean to say he can't have similar success without money.

I like you. Your arguments are self-contained. You address other people when they attack your point of view. I might not agree with everything you say, but then that's not the gold standard of discussion is it! Keep up the good work. I'd prefer 1,000 of your posts to one of BL3s splurge.

[BL3]

Bottom line is that whoever is in charge isn't going to get us up without spending some money, IMO at least. And it appears Eddie doesn't want to.

'Eddie' has spent money. Only Forest have a net spend greater than ours this season.

...and the reason we can't spend even more is because our wages are currently too high for FFP until we can sell players. Simple. I don't see any reason to suggest we're in a terrible position financially. A team who can afford to spend £1.5m and high wages on someone who plays in a in a position they already have depth in aren't doing too badly. Tierney, Moritz and Baptiste will also be on good wages considering we got them for free.

I'm not even sure that FFP affects us this season.

Forest spent £6M in the last transfer window. We spent £3-£4M depending on what we paid for Hall, etc. Either way, it's still the biggest net spend after Forest.

It might not be a lot in Premier League terms, but it's a sizeable amount in Championship terms, when you look at the paltry amounts that other clubs have spent.

QPR and Wigan have spent more but they've also recouped far more than they've spent.

Then again perhaps transfer fees are just a matter of 'opinion'...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Bottom line is that whoever is in charge isn't going to get us up without spending some money, IMO at least. And it appears Eddie doesn't want to.

'Eddie' has spent money. Only Forest have a net spend greater than ours this season.

I'd like to see some confirmation of this, other than you making a statement. I'd normally ask for you to provide this, but as it's you, and I know you won't respond, because you never do, I'll satisfy myself with a "Get to fxck... "

As I said. Point confirmed. Dick.

[SmokinFrazier]

Wow an awful last 24 hours I've just had, been in hospital for most of them.

Hope you're alright!

No money to spend so seemingly our future depends upon bringing through our own on very limited funds. We have a manager who at Palace worked under similar restrictions.

Would Pulis who is used to spending big cheques do the same?

Pulis has done a good job before on a small budget, though what he spent at Stoke recently is besides the point. He's a quality manager and he's always got the best out of his players, so I have no doubt he'd do the same for us. He spent a lot at Stoke but only because that money was offered to him. Mourinho has always had money to spend too, yet if he came in, we'd go on to win the league this year. The fact that Pulis has succeeded when he's had money to spend doesn't mean to say he can't have similar success without money.

I like you. Your arguments are self-contained. You address other people when they attack your point of view. I might not agree with everything you say, but then that's not the gold standard of discussion is it! Keep up the good work. I'd prefer 1,000 of your posts to one of BL3s splurge.

Cheers, mate!

I don't think there's any need for animosity towards people who disagree as long as they're not just trolling. We're all Bolton fans and we all want the same thing, we just sometimes disagree with how that should happen. Everyone who is seen as being negative and pessimistic would love to be proven wrong, that's for sure.

[Bruce Rioja]

The fact that Pulis has succeeded when he's had money to spend doesn't mean to say he can't have similar success without money.

Surely the same could be said of a great many managers that have previously had a couple of quid and a glimmer of success. I really don't understand this specific clamour for Pullis to be installed as our manager?!

It's hypothetical anyway as Douglas isn't going anywhere soon, I'd say.