Freedman out!

[Lord Kangana]

I thought we'd got all the fancy sports science and psychologists back in place?

[thebish]

what would I do? same as I said on the "what would you do" thread - I'd bring in a defensive coach to help dougie.

Interesting idea.

Personally I don't think it would help. But feck it I'm out of good ideas!

I think most people are ,beyond picking a striker who appears to have some belief still. I dont see how defensive coaching would make the sort of individual errors or switching off disappear just as I cant see a striking coach transforming players who dont believe they are going to hit the target. A lot of it seems to be in the head with these players, do we have the sports psychologists on hand like sam used to have?. Hard to gain confidence without results so we need a break and a win and quick.

Beyond that if anything the team still needs a leader,someone able to galvanie organise and give a feck. Spearing works hard but is too young to command the required respect,Knight well that was a bizarre idea making him captain,the feckless tool has always been a sleepwalker. The same inherant issue as we had under coyle remains, no leaders,a lack of belief and worst of all the sense that to a number of players it doesnt really matter.

That said a quality centre half would make a world of difference as would a striker who believes and needs to score goals.

Like a lot of people I just dont see changing manager helping.Pulis might do a job,afterall he essentially took Allardyces blueprint and made it work at stoke.Do people really want that and realistically what could he change. Very little room for manouvre with personnel and would he really be able to instill discipline and mental strength in players who just dont seem to possess those qualities. May aswell stick with Dougie and stay behind the team. He's made slow starts beforeand I still believe things will come good.Blind faith I know!

my simple thinking is this...

most people say the defense is a shambles
the defensive players (despite hyperbole) CAN play football - they wouldn't be where they are now if they couldn't
it's a feck-load cheaper to hire a defensive coach than it is to change the manager or buy a superstar player
it seemed to work when one was hired to work with dougie at Palace (or so we were told)

[LeverEnd]

Can anyone who ever said anything along the lines of 'I don't mind us being relegated. It'll be fun in the championship' please just feck off? This is bloody miserable. We're watching shit players playing shit football and getting worried about a trip to bloody Brighton

Guilty as charged.

It honestly didn't occur to me that we'd be shit in this league as well. I thought another 1997 might be on the cards.
Really must seek help for this ridiculous optimism.
I'm going to feck off now as advised. I'll be back though

[bwfcdan94]

Can anyone who ever said anything along the lines of 'I don't mind us being relegated. It'll be fun in the championship' please just feck off? This is bloody miserable. We're watching shit players playing shit football and getting worried about a trip to bloody Brighton

I am happy here prefer this to the premiership however we had best not go down again!

[BL3]

Seems as though Eddie has had enough of putting money in.

Eddie's reluctance or inability to fund even an emergency loan player now does not bode well.

There you go again. He did put money in. £3-£4M this summer. Dougie has had money to spend. Quite a lot of it in fact, relative to every other club in this league.

[bwfcdan94]

Having just seen the Baptiste goal I am starting to think he should be playing up front1

[BL3]

I'm waiting for a compelling case being made by someone for a realistic replacement. I don't think we can afford to keep going through managers like smelling salts.

Gus Poyet. He did well at Brighton and he has the added advantage of knowing how to get a team promoted from League One.

[SmokinFrazier]

I'm not entirely convinced Poyet is a particularly good manager. Better than Freedman, yes, but he's unproven and hasn't been tested in difficult circumstances, so it'd be a gamble. Someone like McCarthy or Pulis would make us mid table at the very least, whereas I get the impression that if things didn't click, Poyet would get us relegated.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm not entirely convinced Poyet is a particularly good manager. Better than Freedman, yes, but he's unproven and hasn't been tested in difficult circumstances, so it'd be a gamble. Someone like McCarthy or Pulis would make us mid table at the very least, whereas I get the impression that if things didn't click, Poyet would get us relegated.

Poyet seems like a gamble. I doubt Eddie will fancy gambling. Just a hunch.

Also do we know what went down at Brighton with him? Sounded all a bit odd to me.

[BWFC_Insane]

Seems as though Eddie has had enough of putting money in.

Eddie's reluctance or inability to fund even an emergency loan player now does not bode well.

There you go again. He did put money in. £3-£4M this summer. Dougie has had money to spend. Quite a lot of it in fact, relative to every other club in this league.

We haven't spent anything like that from what Iles and Nixon both say. More like £1.3M according to them.

[LeverEnd]

Poyet comes across as a complete bellend. If we replace Dougie we need someone with a big personality to sort these dicks out. Like Dyche at Burnley. Now that would be funny! Not likely though.

[SmokinFrazier]

I'm not entirely convinced Poyet is a particularly good manager. Better than Freedman, yes, but he's unproven and hasn't been tested in difficult circumstances, so it'd be a gamble. Someone like McCarthy or Pulis would make us mid table at the very least, whereas I get the impression that if things didn't click, Poyet would get us relegated.

Poyet seems like a gamble. I doubt Eddie will fancy gambling. Just a hunch.

Also do we know what went down at Brighton with him? Sounded all a bit odd to me.

Yeah, I'm not sure either. I have a feeling it'll come out that it was Poyet who had a shit on the floor of the Palace dressing room, which was disgusting.

[Lord Kangana]

Didn't we buy Beckford out of his (very f*cking expensive) contract at Leicester?

And unless I'm mistaken, the three youngsters we bought weren't free. Its a nice try, but I find it preposterous to claim we've got no money. Less rthan we had for sure, but we beat off most of the rest of the division for Baptiste. I know some would like to think it, but I doubt he came because he loves Dougie. We've had far more money than our position suggests.

[Prufrock]

True, we certainly can't claim poverty when against the likes of Barnsley, Yeovil and in fact most of the league. I still think we're lagging behind the top teams though. Net spend (gulp) is a useful tool but it isn't the only pointer. Watford have spent nothing, but then they don't need to when they can give themselves internationals. QPR haven't spent anything net, because they sold a load of players for shit loads of cash. Now if you make money from bringing kids through that's fair enough I reckon, but if you're getting £12m for Chris Samba because you spent £12m for him six months ago, you're hardly struggling for cash. That's the same team who were in for Scott Parker.

We should be doing better, but it's early days.

[BWFC_Insane]

Didn't we buy Beckford out of his (very f*cking expensive) contract at Leicester?

And unless I'm mistaken, the three youngsters we bought weren't free. Its a nice try, but I find it preposterous to claim we've got no money. Less rthan we had for sure, but we beat off most of the rest of the division for Baptiste. I know some would like to think it, but I doubt he came because he loves Dougie. We've had far more money than our position suggests.

LK this is a genuine question and not to argue a point. I'm just interested.

Should Dougie go, who would you want? Or more accurately what sort would you want? Last time you didn't want an 'experienced man' who has already failed like Mick McCarthy. Have you changed views? Or would you go for a young manager again? Or a risk?

[Lord Kangana]

We're failing miserably. I'd throw hand grenades at it. The loan wwindow is still open, I'd make the lot available. I'd install Jimmy Phillips, and I'd instruct him to only buy kids and over thirty free and cheap signings in january. F*ck it, go for it, start the rebuild now.

Falling short of that, Pullis is an attractive prospect who isn't a failure. Indeed he's a very good track record.

If we lose at Brighton, something has to be done.

[Il Pirate]

If I performed as Dougie has this season (when I worked ). I'd have been put on an improvement notice. I would've had x number of weeks to sort my sh*t out, or ship out. The clock is ticking away on Dougie. Much as I'd have liked him to succeed, and he nearly did last season; he isn't succeeding this term. I can't even to begin to guess at what's gone wrong from the very good run we had last season, to the dismal performances and results this. But for me, lose at Brighton and he should be gone. We kept Coyle for 12 months too long, hoping he would turn it around. We could all see the slow mo car crash happening, but the board refused to believe it. Let's not sit back and watch it happen again.

[Hoboh]

If we're finally willing to address the Gartside issue, may I throw in the Mark Curtis/Graeme Sounness/Gary Megson dodgy-as-f*ck-combo, followed by "those in football..." into the mix. That's the moment he lost my unquestioning loyalty.

And BWFCi, 12 months ago it was clearly all the managers fault, and changing the manager and coaching staff was the answer. So why wait now?

I'm not sure you can directly compare managerial situations personally.

Different things going on, different problems, different attitudes and a different background to the situation.

For example, we sacked Megson when he was bumbling along at 1ppg (a total that would have kept us up). When Coyle made a far worse start in our final premiership campaign he was kept on.

Frankly I'm scratching my head as much as anyone and wondering what the hell is going on.

But I still can't shake the feeling that this is what has happened to many relegated sides, (especially ones who had enjoyed a fairly long stay in the top flight) and that whatever we do, it is going to take something special to shake the malaise that appears to have set in to the club.

You should be in politics you should, the way you skip around the question of your email buddy Gartside, it is really impressive.

[a1]

i dunno, makes a change from not liking any manager after about 12 weeks

be reet

play some kid up front or summat.

oh, and its coz duckworth left.

[a1]

leave it a few weeks and paolo di canio might be free.

he can get teams promoted.