Freedman out!

[SmokinFrazier]

So who would you get in?

Top 3 choices?

Tony Pulis, Martin O'Neill and Mick McCarthy would be my top 3, because I think we need someone with experience in charge.

Does Lennie lawrence lack experience then?

Lawrence isn't our manager. He wasn't a good manager when he was one either.

Ahh, but not being a good manager doesn't come into it though does it? Well, not according to your criteria that is simply "I think we need someone with experience in charge", so let's get Peter Reid in, eh? Dowie? Souness?

Whoever comes in has to be able to turn the current group into, if not so much a winning side at least one that's difficult to beat. Experience alone just isn't going to cut it. Oh, and Mick McCarthy's hardly likely to leave Ipswich for us now is he?

I didn't say experience is the only requirement. It clearly isn't. I want a manager who demands respect, knows what he's doing and has done well in the past.

[SmokinFrazier]

I would cry if we got Pulis.

Then again I was happy for a while when we got Coyle and Freedman, well it was "who ??" but overall it was OK ... at least it wasn't Coyle any longer. I was "meh" about Megson, though I thought his 'welcome' was unreasonable. I never quite believed in Sammy Lee.

Freedman has been asked to change the structure of the club. We don't really know about the behind the scenes stuff, but in front of it is a mess and I have to think that his tactics are wrong, his coaching isn't working and his player selection both into the club and on matchdays is highly questionable.

If he stays he has to alter. I'm not sure he can alter.

I would also be very unhappy if we were to get Pulis in fact I think it would be the worst appointment we have made not only in my life time but in most of your lifetimes, it would seriously make me consider as to whether I wanted to chuck my money about watching this football club. I don't need to go into detail as to who I think would be the ideal candidate.

Why? Do you even have an argument behind not liking Pulis or are you just buying into the Sky Sports hype about 'long ball managers = morally in between Stalin and Hitler'?

[plymouth wanderer]

I would cry if we got Pulis.

Then again I was happy for a while when we got Coyle and Freedman, well it was "who ??" but overall it was OK ... at least it wasn't Coyle any longer. I was "meh" about Megson, though I thought his 'welcome' was unreasonable. I never quite believed in Sammy Lee.

Freedman has been asked to change the structure of the club. We don't really know about the behind the scenes stuff, but in front of it is a mess and I have to think that his tactics are wrong, his coaching isn't working and his player selection both into the club and on matchdays is highly questionable.

If he stays he has to alter. I'm not sure he can alter.

I would also be very unhappy if we were to get Pulis in fact I think it would be the worst appointment we have made not only in my life time but in most of your lifetimes, it would seriously make me consider as to whether I wanted to chuck my money about watching this football club. I don't need to go into detail as to who I think would be the ideal candidate.

Why? Do you even have an argument behind not liking Pulis or are you just buying into the Sky Sports hype about 'long ball managers = morally in between Stalin and Hitler'?

That would be my guess an all

[LeverEnd]

Tactics, formations, footballing style etc, should all be ignored if we need a new manager, It should be about strength of character. Someone who will inspire respect and a bit of fear in the players, which is what they need. not just an aggressive thug, I think Pulis could probably fit the bill even though I don't like him. A proven leader and man manager is what is needed.
If there's no-one like that then just keep Dougie and hope things improve. No point paying out shitloads to replace a failing manager with another crap one.

[bwfcdan94]

I would cry if we got Pulis.

Then again I was happy for a while when we got Coyle and Freedman, well it was "who ??" but overall it was OK ... at least it wasn't Coyle any longer. I was "meh" about Megson, though I thought his 'welcome' was unreasonable. I never quite believed in Sammy Lee.

Freedman has been asked to change the structure of the club. We don't really know about the behind the scenes stuff, but in front of it is a mess and I have to think that his tactics are wrong, his coaching isn't working and his player selection both into the club and on matchdays is highly questionable.

If he stays he has to alter. I'm not sure he can alter.

I would also be very unhappy if we were to get Pulis in fact I think it would be the worst appointment we have made not only in my life time but in most of your lifetimes, it would seriously make me consider as to whether I wanted to chuck my money about watching this football club. I don't need to go into detail as to who I think would be the ideal candidate.

Why? Do you even have an argument behind not liking Pulis or are you just buying into the Sky Sports hype about 'long ball managers = morally in between Stalin and Hitler'?

That would be my guess an all

No I thought Megson was a good manager but I just never liked Pulis especially as he is ex Stoke and the way they wopped us at Wembley still feels bit worst manage in 69 years. Would probably stop going because of the players he would sign not the football he would play.

[bwfcdan94]

Freeman is 7/4 to be the next manager to be sacked btw.

[danardif1]

My issue with Pulis is that he 'innovated' (by going back towards more old-school tactics) and found an inefficiency in the top divisions where he could get results through picking areas of the field that he could create goals cheaply... set pieces, throw-ins, using inclement weather to his advantage etc. That's very clever despite it's lack of aesthetic appeal. What happened though was he couldn't find a way to improve the team despite spending increasing amounts of money on presumably better players. That gave the suggestion that his style and tactics have an inherent ceiling regardless of quality in players.

Saying that his style got Stoke into the top half of the Premier League and some level of security in the division (although last season they were in danger)... for a team now at the bottom of the division below he would have a lot of headroom in that style again...

Just to put my two cents in on previous managers I didn't think Megson was that bad either, especially in the transfer market where he did some excellent work.

[ChrisC]

I would cry if we got Pulis.

Then again I was happy for a while when we got Coyle and Freedman, well it was "who ??" but overall it was OK ... at least it wasn't Coyle any longer. I was "meh" about Megson, though I thought his 'welcome' was unreasonable. I never quite believed in Sammy Lee.

Freedman has been asked to change the structure of the club. We don't really know about the behind the scenes stuff, but in front of it is a mess and I have to think that his tactics are wrong, his coaching isn't working and his player selection both into the club and on matchdays is highly questionable.

If he stays he has to alter. I'm not sure he can alter.

I would also be very unhappy if we were to get Pulis in fact I think it would be the worst appointment we have made not only in my life time but in most of your lifetimes, it would seriously make me consider as to whether I wanted to chuck my money about watching this football club. I don't need to go into detail as to who I think would be the ideal candidate.

Why? Do you even have an argument behind not liking Pulis or are you just buying into the Sky Sports hype about 'long ball managers = morally in between Stalin and Hitler'?

The only thing I like about Pulis is his no nonsense style. Other than that I am struggling. It worries me how much money he had a Stoke without doing much. He had a net spend of 100 million at Stoke and had many seasons around the bottom half.

[davroduk]

Surely no one can still believe that he is the right man for the job.
People say that it would cost to much to sack him, but how much will relegation cost us ??
He has to go, and go NOW !!!!!!!!

What makes you think we still won't get relegated regardless

I agree that getting a new manager does not guarantee survival.
Sticking with this one guarantees relegation.

Don't you go hyperbolic as well. It's going to go all Sky Sports on here is everyone joins in with Insano

Hyper bollocks.
Sounds like a lot of the stuff on here.
Ok so we aint got the money to finance sacking the manager (unless Eddie wants to put more tax free money into the club)
Cmon why would anyone (even a die hard fan) put so much money into the club unless it was to his benefit.
Something has to be done, I think we are all agreed, and if the captain of th ship is steering you towards an iceberg, then someone has to have the balls to strip him of his command and steady the ship.
Feckin hell I should be in the Navy (steady, no village people comments please)
I see us heading full on towards the iceberg, so the captain should be confined to quarters, and someone else should take over command.
Or in plain English..............
GET THAT FECKIN IDIOT AWAY FROM THE STEERING WHEEL NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!

[plymouth wanderer]

I would cry if we got Pulis.

Then again I was happy for a while when we got Coyle and Freedman, well it was "who ??" but overall it was OK ... at least it wasn't Coyle any longer. I was "meh" about Megson, though I thought his 'welcome' was unreasonable. I never quite believed in Sammy Lee.

Freedman has been asked to change the structure of the club. We don't really know about the behind the scenes stuff, but in front of it is a mess and I have to think that his tactics are wrong, his coaching isn't working and his player selection both into the club and on matchdays is highly questionable.

If he stays he has to alter. I'm not sure he can alter.

I would also be very unhappy if we were to get Pulis in fact I think it would be the worst appointment we have made not only in my life time but in most of your lifetimes, it would seriously make me consider as to whether I wanted to chuck my money about watching this football club. I don't need to go into detail as to who I think would be the ideal candidate.

Why? Do you even have an argument behind not liking Pulis or are you just buying into the Sky Sports hype about 'long ball managers = morally in between Stalin and Hitler'?

The only thing I like about Pulis is his no nonsense style. Other than that I am struggling. It worries me how much money he had a Stoke without doing much. He had a net spend of 100 million at Stoke and had many seasons around the bottom half.

Which is the style we need, apart from spearing there ain't a set of bollocks between them!

We won't be able to afford compo to prise someone away from a club.

Pulis is the best of what's available to us,,,, my question would be would he even come here! I ain't to sure

[bwfcdan94]

I would cry if we got Pulis.

Then again I was happy for a while when we got Coyle and Freedman, well it was "who ??" but overall it was OK ... at least it wasn't Coyle any longer. I was "meh" about Megson, though I thought his 'welcome' was unreasonable. I never quite believed in Sammy Lee.

Freedman has been asked to change the structure of the club. We don't really know about the behind the scenes stuff, but in front of it is a mess and I have to think that his tactics are wrong, his coaching isn't working and his player selection both into the club and on matchdays is highly questionable.

If he stays he has to alter. I'm not sure he can alter.

I would also be very unhappy if we were to get Pulis in fact I think it would be the worst appointment we have made not only in my life time but in most of your lifetimes, it would seriously make me consider as to whether I wanted to chuck my money about watching this football club. I don't need to go into detail as to who I think would be the ideal candidate.

Why? Do you even have an argument behind not liking Pulis or are you just buying into the Sky Sports hype about 'long ball managers = morally in between Stalin and Hitler'?

The only thing I like about Pulis is his no nonsense style. Other than that I am struggling. It worries me how much money he had a Stoke without doing much. He had a net spend of 100 million at Stoke and had many seasons around the bottom half.

Which is the style we need, apart from spearing there ain't a set of bollocks between them!

We won't be able to afford compo to prise someone away from a club.

Pulis is the best of what's available to us,,,, my question would be would he even come here! I ain't to sure

Would not agree with that.

[plymouth wanderer]

I knew you wouldn't!

[Lord Kangana]

Where's our record breaking shitness at now then? Worst start since the nineteenth century yet?

[Harry Genshaw]

Was just casting my mind back about previous appointments and how I felt about them at the time

Freedman - Surprised but thought there was something about him that perhaps we didn't know (a bit like Appleton the other bloke mooted at the time)
Coyle - Chuffed
Megson - I was outraged when his name was even mentioned. Just couldn't believe we appointed him
Lee - Felt it was the right appointment at the time
Allardyce - I was hoping Phil Brown would be appointed

Confirming my poor judgement it seems everyone I'm not keen on does a good/great job and thems I do want turn out to be bobbins. I don't want Pulis anywhere near my club but based on the above he'd probably have us promoted and back in Europe in 3 years.

[newcarsmell]

The only thing I like about Pulis is his no nonsense style. Other than that I am struggling. It worries me how much money he had a Stoke without doing much. He had a net spend of 100 million at Stoke and had many seasons around the bottom half.

Is that a lot ? over 7 years ?

It's always a bonus to make money on transfers, but not many premier league teams do. I think most smaller clubs would see that as a reasonable price to pay to keep their premier league status.

Megson spent a sh*tload in the 2 years he was here and that was only offset by the money he got for Nolan & Anelka who he inherited from Fat Sam.

Stoke sent us down and embarrassed us at Wembley ..so it's only right Pulis is given the rest of the season on no money to get us back up.

[ChrisC]

The only thing I like about Pulis is his no nonsense style. Other than that I am struggling. It worries me how much money he had a Stoke without doing much. He had a net spend of 100 million at Stoke and had many seasons around the bottom half.

Is that a lot ? over 7 years ?

It's always a bonus to make money on transfers, but not many premier league teams do. I think most smaller clubs would see that as a reasonable price to pay to keep their premier league status.

Megson spent a sh*tload in the 2 years he was here and that was only offset by the money he got for Nolan & Anelka who he inherited from Fat Sam.

Stoke sent us down and embarrassed us at Wembley ..so it's only right Pulis is given the rest of the season on no money to get us back up.

It is a lot yes when he spent more than both Spurs and Arsenal.

As for embarrassing us, we reversed that back at the Bok not long after beating them 5-0. Also they sent us down by a joke goal from Walters and a dive from Crouch. If that merits him getting the job then the game is fecked.

[Bruce Rioja]

Freedman - Surprised but thought there was something about him that perhaps we didn't know (a bit like Appleton the other bloke mooted at the time)
Coyle - Chuffed
Megson - I was outraged when his name was even mentioned. Just couldn't believe we appointed him
Lee - Felt it was the right appointment at the time
Allardyce - I was hoping Phil Brown would be appointed

Interesting, Harry.

Frededman - Word for word (Except for the Appleton bit)
Coyle - Chuffed also.
Megson - Not chuffed, but with Souness being an alternative was happy to give him a chance.
Lee - Still stick by my mantle that good coaches rarely if ever make good managers. Fully expected a disaster.
Allardyce - most delighted I'd been since Rioch was appointed. Petrified that Brown might get it on the back of a good C/T spell - remembering Charlie Wright.

[davroduk]

OUT OUT OUT
NOW NOW NOW.
You kow it makes sense.

[Armchair Wanderer]

Was so glad to see the back of Megson/Coyle that I'd have been happy with almost anyone, getting Coyle/Freedman seemed too good to be true.

On the subject of expensive squads/high wages people are only worth what someone will pay. We may have overpaid for "proven Prem quality" but they were obviously the going rates at the time. The players who were released were all not good enough at the time, and/or too expensive. Now we've been relegated and sat at the bottom it's hard to figure out how we got here but we can't blame Dougie for being lumbered with the old signings. Dougie's responsibility, as far as I'm concerned, is to put different elements on a football pitch that are going to work which he's failing to do.

Scouting-wise maybe Palace share the info up to about now so maybe from now on we'll start to see the benefit, plus some of the kids might be good.

I officially no longer have an opinion on managers but whatever the club does is fine with me.

[bwfcdan94]

Where's our record breaking shitness at now then? Worst start since the nineteenth century yet?

No in fact we once did not win a game until January!