Freedman out!

[Bruce Rioja]

Get rid of Freedman before our next match and lets have another crack at the playoffs this season. A good manager can do that, Freedman can't.

You keep saying this, monotonously, repetitively to a point whereby this single drum you repeatedly bang is marking you out to be tedious beyond belief. Then by way of 'best man for the job' you come up with Tony Pullis, monotonously, repetitively................

I think we know where you stand on this, thanks.

[BL3]

To be fair to Dougie, pretty much all along he's been saying he wanted a couple more players.

To keep his other signings company on the bench?

Is that the third or fourth time you've posted that snippet? I'm fairly sure I got it first go.

It's like a stuck record.

Over the course of the last 7 days and three games, I think pretty much all of his uninjured signings have played.

FWIW, I think we sacked the previous incumbent way too late - nearly 12 months too late. This one should probably be gone by about Monday.

I'll keep repeating it as long as others keep repeating the same tired old excuse about how he's stuck with what he inherited.

Burnley have made one change to their team in the last four games. They've won three and drawn one. Football's not that complicated.

[Worthy4England]

To be fair to Dougie, pretty much all along he's been saying he wanted a couple more players.

To keep his other signings company on the bench?

Is that the third or fourth time you've posted that snippet? I'm fairly sure I got it first go.

It's like a stuck record.

Over the course of the last 7 days and three games, I think pretty much all of his uninjured signings have played.

FWIW, I think we sacked the previous incumbent way too late - nearly 12 months too late. This one should probably be gone by about Monday.

I'll keep repeating it as long as others keep repeating the same tired old excuse about how he's stuck with what he inherited.

Burnley have made one change to their team in the last four games. They've won three and drawn one. Football's not that complicated.

Great!

[a1]

coyle apologists calling douglas a bad manager ?

[Tombwfc]

I vote we change our manager every 12 months regardless, the geezer with the suit and the sound bite is clearly the only difference between Bolton Wanderers and Real Madrid...
Or so you'd think from reading most of this for five minutes.. we're on our way to division three or whatever it's called now because we aren't spending the money to go in the other direction..
The manager is considerably less important than the quality of the playing staff and the statistic which most often accompanies high league position is a high wage bill..
Odd ones now and then buck the trend briefly but in the end, high wages = better players = success , whatever that is these days..
If you don't spend the money you go downwards.. attempting to go upwards whilst reducing the budget is not only counter intuitive, history suggests it'll almost never happen..
Whether Dougie Freedman or Alberto De Stefano are in charge makes little difference.. If Eddie and Co don't spend the money or find someone to come in and spend it instead we're headed in
one direction.. However often we posture about changing managers.. over a career there's not much more than a fag paper between most of em in terms of results..
Spend the money or settle at the level your investment dictates.. Right now I'd say lower mid Championship headed for League 1 in the next three seasons.. Someone else may take us there more slowly than DF but it's where we're headed any road, quicker we get there quicker we can start to build again...

What happens if you are in the top six teams with the biggest wage bills, and the top six teams in terms of cost of players signed in the most recent transfer window, but 8 games in you're bottom of the league and haven't won a game? Who's at fault then?

I don't see the big issue people have with sacking managers. It's not ideal, but if you've made a mistake and appointed the wrong man it's fine to try and rectify that. Would Wolves have taken 19 points from 8 games had they stuck with Dean Saunders on the basis that they didn't want to become a 'sacking club'?

Wolves aren't the worst example to follow actually (although I'd like to avoid dropping into League One if possible). Fannyied around with people who were flavours of the month but had no real substance - Got relegated - Brought in an experienced head who'd been there, seen it, done it and was prepared to clear out the shit that had took them down two divisions.

Pulis (or Neil Warnock if he's still up for it) would the man to do that for me. Not perfect, not been successful everywhere, but he has enough about him for people (players and fans) to believe he knows what he's trying to achieve and how to get there.

[a1]

megson fits the last bit.

if freedman does relegate us , then in line with recent bwfc policy- he gets a contract extention.

i think

:/

[SmokinFrazier]

Get rid of Freedman before our next match and lets have another crack at the playoffs this season. A good manager can do that, Freedman can't.

You keep saying this, monotonously, repetitively to a point whereby this single drum you repeatedly bang is marking you out to be tedious beyond belief. Then by way of 'best man for the job' you come up with Tony Pullis, monotonously, repetitively................

I think we know where you stand on this, thanks.

If you don't like my posts, you don't have to read them or don't reply to them. In a topic about whether the manager should be replaced or not, I don't think it's wrong to affirm my opinion that he should be sacked and when asked about who should replace him, I've given my opinion on that. If you don't like it, that's not my fault. The one thing which continuously spoils this forum is the amount of childish bickering whenever two posters dislike each other and in the past week or so, you've continuously tried to get a reaction out of me for whatever reason. It's childish and it spoils the forum, so I'm not going to be drawn into a petty feud with someone who is incapable of debating their points. If we disagree, I'll happily put my opinion forward and I'll listen to yours, but I don't think there's any need for the constant sniping.

[SmokinFrazier]

The money excuse is only valid if you believe that the current set of players are thoroughly inept, which I think is a long way off base. They're a good group of players for this league but they're not being guided in the right direction. Fulham and a few good French clubs want N'Gog, who our fans slag off every week, I've read countless posts from people saying that Mills is useless yet one of the best managers in the league, Brian McDermott, wanted him at Leeds. Our fans have chastised Tim Ream, yet even though he's playing out of position and without game time, he comes into the team and gets MotM two games in a row and looks solid. How many on here moaned for months about Pratley? Yet at the start of the season, he showed real class. Chungy has received many criticisms yet he's constantly been linked with other clubs. Baptiste has been called not fit to burn over the past few weeks, yet several Championship clubs wanted him, as did Palace who tried extremely hard to take him to the Premier League. People on here talked for a long time about how useless Keith Andrews was, yet he goes out on loan to a club who beat us 3-1 and some of their fans say he's been their best player this year.

Let's not talk sh*t and say that we don't have the quality. If that was the case, why would some of our most derided players show their ability elsewhere, do well in positions which don't suit them or be wanted by better clubs than us? Other managers know what is happening at Bolton. We have quality within the team but they're not being guided in the right direction. If our players were capable of nothing better, why would so many teams who are doing much better than us, be interested in those who our fans criticise each week? That doesn't add up. Had Spearing gone to Blackburn, we'd probably be reading rave reviews of his performances and kicking ourselves for not bringing him in. Had we not got Beckford, we'd be wishing we had his goal threat. If Baptiste had gone to the Premier League, we'd be wishing we had his presence in defence.

We don't have a lack of ability. That's a cop out to excuse the pathetic man management by an utterly inept manager in Freedman. Yeah, we'd all like better players at Bolton - I wish we had Messi, Falco and Ronaldo - but the fact we are at the bottom of the league is nothing to do with the managers, it's all about the clueless man who is guiding them. The Titanic was a great boat but look at what happened to that when it was being guided by the wrong person.

And let's not pretend that going into League One means we can rebuild from there. That was supposed to be the silver lining about dropping to the Championship, yet how often does that happen? Drop to League One and we're in a serious problem for a long time. Get rid of Freedman before our next match and lets have another crack at the playoffs this season. A good manager can do that, Freedman can't.

I'm not where you are yet sir, but that's a well thought out and argued post.

Thanks, mate.

To counter the argument I made, whilst I don't think Freedman has got the best out of any player during his time at Bolton, I think that problem is made even worse by the lack of confidence within the team. The players are too nervous at the moment and that leads to individual errors and obviously when a players makes a big mistake in a game, such as missing a clear chance or giving away a penalty, they get heavily criticised for it, leading to further confidence issues within the team. I don't think players are confident in their own abilities or their teammates, so it leads to these scrappy, nervous performances that make players look worse than they are. It's hard to break that cycle and to get the players playing with confidence though.

One of the things Freedman has done wrong so far this season is make too many changes, I think. We've seen plenty of changes in personnel, we've had formation changes and it's been disjointed. not only that, but it shows that Freedman has a lack of faith in a system and in the players, which further adds to the confidence issue. Had we just stuck with one formation from the start of the season, that might have helped but at the moment, it seems like Freedman is throwing as much sh*t at the wall as he can, hoping that some of it sticks. I think a bit of consistency is needed right now though.

[norm the jedi]

I vote we change our manager every 12 months regardless, the geezer with the suit and the sound bite is clearly the only difference between Bolton Wanderers and Real Madrid...
Or so you'd think from reading most of this for five minutes.. we're on our way to division three or whatever it's called now because we aren't spending the money to go in the other direction..
The manager is considerably less important than the quality of the playing staff and the statistic which most often accompanies high league position is a high wage bill..
Odd ones now and then buck the trend briefly but in the end, high wages = better players = success , whatever that is these days..
If you don't spend the money you go downwards.. attempting to go upwards whilst reducing the budget is not only counter intuitive, history suggests it'll almost never happen..
Whether Dougie Freedman or Alberto De Stefano are in charge makes little difference.. If Eddie and Co don't spend the money or find someone to come in and spend it instead we're headed in
one direction.. However often we posture about changing managers.. over a career there's not much more than a fag paper between most of em in terms of results..
Spend the money or settle at the level your investment dictates.. Right now I'd say lower mid Championship headed for League 1 in the next three seasons.. Someone else may take us there more slowly than DF but it's where we're headed any road, quicker we get there quicker we can start to build again...

What happens if you are in the top six teams with the biggest wage bills, and the top six teams in terms of cost of players signed in the most recent transfer window, but 8 games in you're bottom of the league and haven't won a game? Who's at fault then?

Did we shift players out because we didn't fancy them or because we didn't fancy continuing to pay their wages? - It's a genuine question .. We finished a smidge off the play offs.. then to all intents and purposes set about doing it on the cheap, one in one out.. The loss of Dawson was predictable but gave us a clear indication of what we needed.. not least in the immediate aftermath of his departure when we find ourselves 2-0 down at home after 20 minutes in the game that should get us in the play off. After that we didn't seem to be making any great effort to either get him back or someone of equal quality and now find ourselves forced to play players we don't seem to fancy or who demonstrably aren't worth what we are paying them. Possibly a fully fit Wheater was seen as the answer. Or we weren't in the position to attract better quality players because we weren't in the market at the right price. I don't see that as the Managers doing, it's an organisational failing and seems to be fiscally motivated.
If you sell a full back or striker to get him off the wage bill and replace him with someone cheaper and that's your only concern your asking for trouble.
The scouting system and the infra structure all feed in to that. The Manager is the Quarterback - too much praise when we win and too much stick when we don't.

I don't see the big issue people have with sacking managers. It's not ideal, but if you've made a mistake and appointed the wrong man it's fine to try and rectify that. Would Wolves have taken 19 points from 8 games had they stuck with Dean Saunders on the basis that they didn't want to become a 'sacking club'?

Wolves aren't the worst example to follow actually (although I'd like to avoid dropping into League One if possible). Fannyied around with people who were flavours of the month but had no real substance - Got relegated - Brought in an experienced head who'd been there, seen it, done it and was prepared to clear out the shit that had took them down two divisions.

Pulis (or Neil Warnock if he's still up for it) would the man to do that for me. Not perfect, not been successful everywhere, but he has enough about him for people (players and fans) to believe he knows what he's trying to achieve and how to get there.

I don't have a problem with sacking Dougie et al beyond compensating him and probably his staff and assistants who you have to sack as well,
My issue is that in and of itself it doesn't make much difference. Whoever you stick in front of Jeff Shreeves if you haven't got an infrastructure that finds the right players and does what it takes to get them and keep them.
If you try to do that on the cheap you are always going to compromise performance in the long term because the team isn't the priority paying off the debt is.. with our fan base and revenues we can't have both and compete in this division .
We could and probably should have sacked Coyle earlier because we had a much better team with him here and the margins were so tight that we effectively choked on two chances to survive when someone with a bit more tactical nouse would have strangled the WBA game at 2-0 and seen us go to Stoke needing a point.. .. but we didn't and these are the consequences..

You can trot out whomsoever you choose to pick the team. If you don't invest in them and their support team and players, because they won't want DF's squad they'll want there own, not much will change you'll just have even less money..

We could go down the continental route of Lyon and many others where the coach coaches and transfers etc are done by committee. He simply has one voice among the panel and then coaches what he is given or fecks off..
Can't see that happening here..

For me I think we have to accept that we had 10 very good years. We may be due some harder times ahead, Without a Sheik, Schister or Bond villain it will be a long time before it's repeated.

[BWFC_Insane]

I vote we change our manager every 12 months regardless, the geezer with the suit and the sound bite is clearly the only difference between Bolton Wanderers and Real Madrid...
Or so you'd think from reading most of this for five minutes.. we're on our way to division three or whatever it's called now because we aren't spending the money to go in the other direction..
The manager is considerably less important than the quality of the playing staff and the statistic which most often accompanies high league position is a high wage bill..
Odd ones now and then buck the trend briefly but in the end, high wages = better players = success , whatever that is these days..
If you don't spend the money you go downwards.. attempting to go upwards whilst reducing the budget is not only counter intuitive, history suggests it'll almost never happen..
Whether Dougie Freedman or Alberto De Stefano are in charge makes little difference.. If Eddie and Co don't spend the money or find someone to come in and spend it instead we're headed in
one direction.. However often we posture about changing managers.. over a career there's not much more than a fag paper between most of em in terms of results..
Spend the money or settle at the level your investment dictates.. Right now I'd say lower mid Championship headed for League 1 in the next three seasons.. Someone else may take us there more slowly than DF but it's where we're headed any road, quicker we get there quicker we can start to build again...

What happens if you are in the top six teams with the biggest wage bills, and the top six teams in terms of cost of players signed in the most recent transfer window, but 8 games in you're bottom of the league and haven't won a game? Who's at fault then?

Did we shift players out because we didn't fancy them or because we didn't fancy continuing to pay their wages? - It's a genuine question .. We finished a smidge off the play offs.. then to all intents and purposes set about doing it on the cheap, one in one out.. The loss of Dawson was predictable but gave us a clear indication of what we needed.. not least in the immediate aftermath of his departure when we find ourselves 2-0 down at home after 20 minutes in the game that should get us in the play off. After that we didn't seem to be making any great effort to either get him back or someone of equal quality and now find ourselves forced to play players we don't seem to fancy or who demonstrably aren't worth what we are paying them. Possibly a fully fit Wheater was seen as the answer. Or we weren't in the position to attract better quality players because we weren't in the market at the right price. I don't see that as the Managers doing, it's an organisational failing and seems to be fiscally motivated.
If you sell a full back or striker to get him off the wage bill and replace him with someone cheaper and that's your only concern your asking for trouble.
The scouting system and the infra structure all feed in to that. The Manager is the Quarterback - too much praise when we win and too much stick when we don't.

I don't see the big issue people have with sacking managers. It's not ideal, but if you've made a mistake and appointed the wrong man it's fine to try and rectify that. Would Wolves have taken 19 points from 8 games had they stuck with Dean Saunders on the basis that they didn't want to become a 'sacking club'?

Wolves aren't the worst example to follow actually (although I'd like to avoid dropping into League One if possible). Fannyied around with people who were flavours of the month but had no real substance - Got relegated - Brought in an experienced head who'd been there, seen it, done it and was prepared to clear out the shit that had took them down two divisions.

Pulis (or Neil Warnock if he's still up for it) would the man to do that for me. Not perfect, not been successful everywhere, but he has enough about him for people (players and fans) to believe he knows what he's trying to achieve and how to get there.

I don't have a problem with sacking Dougie et al beyond compensating him and probably his staff and assistants who you have to sack as well,
My issue is that in and of itself it doesn't make much difference. Whoever you stick in front of Jeff Shreeves if you haven't got an infrastructure that finds the right players and does what it takes to get them and keep them.
If you try to do that on the cheap you are always going to compromise performance in the long term because the team isn't the priority paying off the debt is.. with our fan base and revenues we can't have both and compete in this division .
We could and probably should have sacked Coyle earlier because we had a much better team with him here and the margins were so tight that we effectively choked on two chances to survive when someone with a bit more tactical nouse would have strangled the WBA game at 2-0 and seen us go to Stoke needing a point.. .. but we didn't and these are the consequences..

You can trot out whomsoever you choose to pick the team. If you don't invest in them and their support team and players, because they won't want DF's squad they'll want there own, not much will change you'll just have even less money..

We could go down the continental route of Lyon and many others where the coach coaches and transfers etc are done by committee. He simply has one voice among the panel and then coaches what he is given or fecks off..
Can't see that happening here..

For me I think we have to accept that we had 10 very good years. We may be due some harder times ahead, Without a Sheik, Schister or Bond villain it will be a long time before it's repeated.

Agree with all of this.

It's why I was so frustrated that we threw away our premiership status with naivety.

However even had we stayed up, that very likely was just delaying the inevitable.

I don't think we are miles away from being much better. A centre half would make a huge difference, but how many sides could say similar? One or two players and if only....

Real question is how far away are we from building a side that is good enough, and has enough drive and bottle to actually get us up to the premiership millions again? Not sure.

[Worthy4England]

Real question is how far away are we from building a side that is good enough, and has enough drive and bottle to actually get us up to the premiership millions again? Not sure.

We're 24th in the Championship. What have you been watching all season?

[TKIZ!]

Also while on my highish horse could we stop throwing selective quotes back at all and sundry and accept that. They're only in front of the camera/microphone to satisfy a contractual obligation and are not in a position to say anything transparent or insightful ... Unless they are Paulo Di Canio who is on a number of levels so barking he's Dagenham..
All this "freedman said this group of players were good enough!"
What did you expect... .? "Well Jeff the primary motivator here has been to get the wage bill down obviously the squad is weaker as a result so I'd advise the fans not to get their hopes up."

The internet would collapse!
Nothing any of them say in public is anything other than what they want others to hear..
We'd be better off with none of it.. But sky have 168 hours of TV a week to fill and fans believe they have a right to be told, even when what they're told is tripe.

This a million times.

All aboard the Truth train.

[Tombwfc]

I vote we change our manager every 12 months regardless, the geezer with the suit and the sound bite is clearly the only difference between Bolton Wanderers and Real Madrid...
Or so you'd think from reading most of this for five minutes.. we're on our way to division three or whatever it's called now because we aren't spending the money to go in the other direction..
The manager is considerably less important than the quality of the playing staff and the statistic which most often accompanies high league position is a high wage bill..
Odd ones now and then buck the trend briefly but in the end, high wages = better players = success , whatever that is these days..
If you don't spend the money you go downwards.. attempting to go upwards whilst reducing the budget is not only counter intuitive, history suggests it'll almost never happen..
Whether Dougie Freedman or Alberto De Stefano are in charge makes little difference.. If Eddie and Co don't spend the money or find someone to come in and spend it instead we're headed in
one direction.. However often we posture about changing managers.. over a career there's not much more than a fag paper between most of em in terms of results..
Spend the money or settle at the level your investment dictates.. Right now I'd say lower mid Championship headed for League 1 in the next three seasons.. Someone else may take us there more slowly than DF but it's where we're headed any road, quicker we get there quicker we can start to build again...

What happens if you are in the top six teams with the biggest wage bills, and the top six teams in terms of cost of players signed in the most recent transfer window, but 8 games in you're bottom of the league and haven't won a game? Who's at fault then?

Did we shift players out because we didn't fancy them or because we didn't fancy continuing to pay their wages? - It's a genuine question .. We finished a smidge off the play offs.. then to all intents and purposes set about doing it on the cheap, one in one out.. The loss of Dawson was predictable but gave us a clear indication of what we needed.. not least in the immediate aftermath of his departure when we find ourselves 2-0 down at home after 20 minutes in the game that should get us in the play off. After that we didn't seem to be making any great effort to either get him back or someone of equal quality and now find ourselves forced to play players we don't seem to fancy or who demonstrably aren't worth what we are paying them. Possibly a fully fit Wheater was seen as the answer. Or we weren't in the position to attract better quality players because we weren't in the market at the right price. I don't see that as the Managers doing, it's an organisational failing and seems to be fiscally motivated.
If you sell a full back or striker to get him off the wage bill and replace him with someone cheaper and that's your only concern your asking for trouble.
The scouting system and the infra structure all feed in to that. The Manager is the Quarterback - too much praise when we win and too much stick when we don't.

I don't see the big issue people have with sacking managers. It's not ideal, but if you've made a mistake and appointed the wrong man it's fine to try and rectify that. Would Wolves have taken 19 points from 8 games had they stuck with Dean Saunders on the basis that they didn't want to become a 'sacking club'?

Wolves aren't the worst example to follow actually (although I'd like to avoid dropping into League One if possible). Fannyied around with people who were flavours of the month but had no real substance - Got relegated - Brought in an experienced head who'd been there, seen it, done it and was prepared to clear out the shit that had took them down two divisions.

Pulis (or Neil Warnock if he's still up for it) would the man to do that for me. Not perfect, not been successful everywhere, but he has enough about him for people (players and fans) to believe he knows what he's trying to achieve and how to get there.

I don't have a problem with sacking Dougie et al beyond compensating him and probably his staff and assistants who you have to sack as well,
My issue is that in and of itself it doesn't make much difference. Whoever you stick in front of Jeff Shreeves if you haven't got an infrastructure that finds the right players and does what it takes to get them and keep them.
If you try to do that on the cheap you are always going to compromise performance in the long term because the team isn't the priority paying off the debt is.. with our fan base and revenues we can't have both and compete in this division .
We could and probably should have sacked Coyle earlier because we had a much better team with him here and the margins were so tight that we effectively choked on two chances to survive when someone with a bit more tactical nouse would have strangled the WBA game at 2-0 and seen us go to Stoke needing a point.. .. but we didn't and these are the consequences..

You can trot out whomsoever you choose to pick the team. If you don't invest in them and their support team and players, because they won't want DF's squad they'll want there own, not much will change you'll just have even less money..

We could go down the continental route of Lyon and many others where the coach coaches and transfers etc are done by committee. He simply has one voice among the panel and then coaches what he is given or fecks off..
Can't see that happening here..

For me I think we have to accept that we had 10 very good years. We may be due some harder times ahead, Without a Sheik, Schister or Bond villain it will be a long time before it's repeated.

I agree entirely with a lot of that. There are clearly things going wrong at the club bigger than just the manager, but I do fundamentally think that we are a shambles on the field when there is no reason for us to be. A big chunk of blame for that has to rest at Dougie's door. I don't think Pulis is the saviour, but I do believe we would be better off with him in charge, regardless of the other issues there might be within the club

I also think that there are a lot of misconceptions about our finances and how they compare with other clubs in this division. QPR are the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of club's are spending very little.

You mention...

Did we shift players out because we didn't fancy them or because we didn't fancy continuing to pay their wages? - It's a genuine question .. We finished a smidge off the play offs.. then to all intents and purposes set about doing it on the cheap, one in one out..

The players (not counting youth team players and Gregg Wylde) we shifted over the summer were...

Marcos Alonso - Turned down a new contract and left to go to Fiorentina.
Kevin Davies - Big wage yes, but way past it. Didn't feature for the final few months.
Sam Ricketts - Past it. I would imagine with some certainty Baptiste is on more money and was Dougie's choice of the two (at least at the time anyway).

There has never been any kind of fire-sale. We've lowered our wage budget considerably (as all relegated Premier League club's do), but it's been done gradually. I don't think there is anybody we've let go we've had to because we couldn't afford to keep them.

Look at our ins and outs (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd ... =transfers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) to those of the team who finished above us on goal difference (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd ... =transfers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). I'm struggling to see where there is a case for us apparently being unable to compete financially.

[Peter Thompson]

I have to say that recently Tom is becoming by far the most knowledgeable poster on here (after me of course....)

Talks a lot of sense without the emotion

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I read somewhere today that two youths were arguing about Kant in a shop queue, which then broke down into fisticuffs, and finally one shot the other in the head. Difficult as it is to believe, it makes more sense than at least 50% of what's been put on here recently. I fear some of you are over analysing it all.
It's a business: it requires reinvestment, cut off the funds and you're in another market environment entirely.

[Worthy4England]

I have to say that recently Tom is becoming by far the most knowledgeable poster on here (after me of course....)

Talks a lot of sense without the emotion

Just like you?

I guess by "knowledgeable poster" you mean "broadly agrees with the Gospel according to St Peter?"

[Peter Thompson]

I have to say that recently Tom is becoming by far the most knowledgeable poster on here (after me of course....)

Talks a lot of sense without the emotion

Just like you?

I guess by "knowledgeable poster" you mean "broadly agrees with the Gospel according to St Peter?"

In one....

[BWFC_Insane]

I read somewhere today that two youths were arguing about Kant in a shop queue, which then broke down into fisticuffs, and finally one shot the other in the head. Difficult as it is to believe, it makes more sense than at least 50% of what's been put on here recently. I fear some of you are over analysing it all.
It's a business: it requires reinvestment, cut off the funds and you're in another market environment entirely.

Aye if Eddie has cut the strings then the manager is irrelevant. We are going to gradually slip away. Clubs don't fund themselves anymore, even in the top flight. The short term arguments about should we be better now, are fine. But the main issue is that to replicate the past 15 years in the modern game, requires investment. If we haven't got that investment over a sustained period we are going to continue to struggle.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I read somewhere today that two youths were arguing about Kant in a shop queue, which then broke down into fisticuffs, and finally one shot the other in the head. Difficult as it is to believe, it makes more sense than at least 50% of what's been put on here recently. I fear some of you are over analysing it all.
It's a business: it requires reinvestment, cut off the funds and you're in another market environment entirely.

Aye if Eddie has cut the strings then the manager is irrelevant. We are going to gradually slip away. Clubs don't fund themselves anymore, even in the top flight. The short term arguments about should we be better now, are fine. But the main issue is that to replicate the past 15 years in the modern game, requires investment. If we haven't got that investment over a sustained period we are going to continue to struggle.

Stop it The manager is quite clearly relevant as he is a decision maker at the club. Decisions have consequences, as does funding etc etc.

[Bruce Rioja]

Get rid of Freedman before our next match and lets have another crack at the playoffs this season. A good manager can do that, Freedman can't.

You keep saying this, monotonously, repetitively to a point whereby this single drum you repeatedly bang is marking you out to be tedious beyond belief. Then by way of 'best man for the job' you come up with Tony Pullis, monotonously, repetitively................

I think we know where you stand on this, thanks.

If you don't like my posts, you don't have to read them or don't reply to them. In a topic about whether the manager should be replaced or not, I don't think it's wrong to affirm my opinion that he should be sacked and when asked about who should replace him, I've given my opinion on that. If you don't like it, that's not my fault. The one thing which continuously spoils this forum is the amount of childish bickering whenever two posters dislike each other and in the past week or so, you've continuously tried to get a reaction out of me for whatever reason. It's childish and it spoils the forum, so I'm not going to be drawn into a petty feud with someone who is incapable of debating their points. If we disagree, I'll happily put my opinion forward and I'll listen to yours, but I don't think there's any need for the constant sniping.

It's you that's seemingly completely incapable of debating anything - that's my entire point. You repeat the exact same post over and over and over and over as though the more you repeat it the more validity it might have. I have no axe to grind with you, I'm surprised you think I might have. I'm just saying 'yes, we understand your view'. What ruins good forums is people childishly repeating the same thing like a child demanding attention.
I would put you on 'ignore' but I don't want to miss the occasion when you have something else to say. That's all.