The Great Art Debate

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Presumably there are steps up the side that can't be seen through the outer wall on the near side, and standing people on the far side?!

I really have no idea why you've just come out with that. It simply doesn't even begin to stack up.

Because you asked the question!

For me, if you painted, say, a rammed temporary golf grandstand in an impressionistic way from that distance, it wouldn't be obvious where the steps are either.

[Bruce Rioja]

There are absolutely no means of either agress or egress. No gangways to come up from under the terrace and no means of scaling the walls that surround the terrace. Perhaps they've all been parachuted in inder that most bollocks of catch-alls 'artistic licence'?!

[thebish]

Lowry's sketchpad version.... (hope it helps!)

[William the White]

Today my partner and I finally caught the Marc Chagall exhibition st the Tate Liverpool (and, just to say in passing, Liverpool seems to have reinvented itself as a proper city instead of a run-down wreck, the Albert Dock development strikes me as a genuine cultural quarter, large numbers of people there on a Wed afternoon, and the Chagall well populated)...

I liked the exuberance of his colours, I like the way that he experimented with cubism (and even, fleetingly, with Soviet constructivism). Perhaps this is also a criticism - he dabbled with every new form that came up, but committed to none, just gave it a go and passed on.

I didn't like the sentimentality much, nor the figures floating (a persistent motif). I loved the murals for the Jewish Theatre of Moscow (established after the 1917 revolution) - I intend to do some research on this when time allows, I didn't know there was such a place and would be interested to know if it survived Stalin. .

My favourite painting was Les Saltimbanques dans la Nuit - haven't found a decent online link to this. But its depiction of musicians/circus folk in the Parisian (?) night is both celebratory and threatening. Nice trick!

It was a very good afternoon. Even worth putting up with the third world on wheels service from Northern Rail and even changing at Wigan...

[TANGODANCER]

Here you go Will.

[William the White]

Here you go Will.

Thanks, Tango - that's not bad at all!

Couldn't get it just a bit bigger, could you? The painting's detail needs to come out if poss...

[TANGODANCER]

I'd delete that post if I were you Will, the link on it will take forever to download.

[bobo the clown]

This was my favourite, The Blue Lovers ;


This giving it a run


and this


To be honest I enjoyed the work on the other floors a little more than Chagall's, but it was OK.

ps. I think you missed the shitty areas of Liverpool by the route you must have taken. There's still plenty.

[William the White]

Yes, bobo, taking it as axiomatic you are being ironic - that sentimental stuff I disliked... And the Disney feel to some of the characterisation also got on my nerves.

We may be in agreement about an aspect of art.

Won't last long...

[Montreal Wanderer]

Here you go Will.

Thanks, Tango - that's not bad at all!

Couldn't get it just a bit bigger, could you? The painting's detail needs to come out if poss...

Bigger? Sure since you asked relatively nicely.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Today my partner and I finally caught the Marc Chagall exhibition st the Tate Liverpool (and, just to say in passing, Liverpool seems to have reinvented itself as a proper city instead of a run-down wreck, the Albert Dock development strikes me as a genuine cultural quarter, large numbers of people there on a Wed afternoon, and the Chagall well populated)...

I was surprised by how good the Tate Liverpool Magritte exhibition was a couple of years ago and would like to see the Chagall before it closes.

I'm intrigued that Bobo saw stuff he liked on the other floors, if the collection is more or less the same as when I last went!

'Cultural quarter' sounds like a slightly exaggerated claim! I wonder what this 'Museum of Liverpool' place is like inside. Does any other city have a 'Museum of ....' set up?!

[William the White]

Today my partner and I finally caught the Marc Chagall exhibition st the Tate Liverpool (and, just to say in passing, Liverpool seems to have reinvented itself as a proper city instead of a run-down wreck, the Albert Dock development strikes me as a genuine cultural quarter, large numbers of people there on a Wed afternoon, and the Chagall well populated)...

I was surprised by how good the Tate Liverpool Magritte exhibition was a couple of years ago and would like to see the Chagall before it closes.

I'm intrigued that Bobo saw stuff he liked on the other floors, if the collection is more or less the same as when I last went!

'Cultural quarter' sounds like a slightly exaggerated claim! I wonder what this 'Museum of Liverpool' place is like inside. Does any other city have a 'Museum of ....' set up?!

Only one of the other three floors was persistently interesting - floor 2 with 'cluster' art centred round specific influential artists - including Matisse and Picasso - and exhibiting work 'influenced' in some way by them... Some good painting and sculpture.

Floor 3 has a lot of installation work, none of which speaks to me, as it happens, some abstract expressionism and some failed (in my view) video art. That is the stuff to which bobo normally gives a carefully considered, thoughtful and balanced apoplectic shriek of rage.

Although there is one video work that is an exercise in submission that involves some serious S&M implements - chains, whips etc - which are on display physically as well as in action on screen. This may have put a spark into bobo's day, who knows?

I don't think 'Cultural Quarter' is an exaggeration. The dock contains the International Museum of Slavery, the Beatles Story and the Maritime museum, as well as the Liverpool museum, some good cafes and pubs, and, of course, the Tate. And yesterday had about ten times more visitors than the Valencia City of Arts and Sciences had on a Saturday... Valencia also has a history of Valencia museum... There will be many others...

I think the Chagall closes on Oct 6, but may be going elsewhere...

[bobo the clown]

Today my partner and I finally caught the Marc Chagall exhibition st the Tate Liverpool (and, just to say in passing, Liverpool seems to have reinvented itself as a proper city instead of a run-down wreck, the Albert Dock development strikes me as a genuine cultural quarter, large numbers of people there on a Wed afternoon, and the Chagall well populated)...

I was surprised by how good the Tate Liverpool Magritte exhibition was a couple of years ago and would like to see the Chagall before it closes.

I'm intrigued that Bobo saw stuff he liked on the other floors, if the collection is more or less the same as when I last went!

'Cultural quarter' sounds like a slightly exaggerated claim! I wonder what this 'Museum of Liverpool' place is like inside. Does any other city have a 'Museum of ....' set up?!

Only one of the other three floors was persistently interesting - floor 2 with 'cluster' art centred round specific influential artists - including Matisse and Picasso - and exhibiting work 'influenced' in some way by them... Some good painting and sculpture.

Floor 3 has a lot of installation work, none of which speaks to me, as it happens, some abstract expressionism and some failed (in my view) video art. That is the stuff to which bobo normally gives a carefully considered, thoughtful and balanced apoplectic shriek of rage.

Although there is one video work that is an exercise in submission that involves some serious S&M implements - chains, whips etc - which are on display physically as well as in action on screen. This may have put a spark into bobo's day, who knows?

I don't think 'Cultural Quarter' is an exaggeration. The dock contains the International Museum of Slavery, the Beatles Story and the Maritime museum, as well as the Liverpool museum, some good cafes and pubs, and, of course, the Tate. And yesterday had about ten times more visitors than the Valencia City of Arts and Sciences had on a Saturday... Valencia also has a history of Valencia museum... There will be many others...

I think the Chagall closes on Oct 6, but may be going elsewhere...

To say Liverpool has a culture quarter is to overstate it more than a little. A bit like their China Town, which is a Chinese gate and about 15 restaurants.

What bobo liked was the
floor 2 with 'cluster' art centred round specific influential artists - including Matisse and Picasso - and exhibiting work 'influenced' in some way by them... Some good painting and sculpture.. A sort of family tree of artists and their influences.

You are correct that the weird films got the bobo vote of shiteness.

I did like some of the abstract installations, funnily enough. Not that I'd pay more than 4 shillings and 6 pence for it, but it was worth a gander. ... Well SOME of it was.

[William the White]

Sarah Lucas is clearly elbowing her way into the Tracy Emin faction of traditional art (indeed I'm told they are friends). Her current exhibition at Whitechapel Gallery until 15 Dec gets this preview from The Guardian.

Her way with everyday materials is extraordinary, especially what she's lately been doing with tights... Coiled together like embracing penises, breasts or exposed innards, they sum up her special gift for evoking a tumultuous mix of bodily vulnerability, desire, fear, misunderstanding and embarrassment.

TANGO will be on the next train to London. Bobo will be making his sandwiches for the journey.

As for me - I'm hoping to get to see it...

[bobo the clown]

Sarah Lucas is clearly elbowing her way into the Tracy Emin faction of traditional art (indeed I'm told they are friends). Her current exhibition at Whitechapel Gallery until 15 Dec gets this preview from The Guardian.

Her way with everyday materials is extraordinary, especially what she's lately been doing with tights... Coiled together like embracing penises, breasts or exposed innards, they sum up her special gift for evoking a tumultuous mix of bodily vulnerability, desire, fear, misunderstanding and embarrassment.

TANGO will be on the next train to London. Bobo will be making his sandwiches for the journey.

As for me - I'm hoping to get to see it...

Way to go with that 'special gift'.

Would it be 'art' to go & trash some of this stuff one day.


Oh ... & they are home made corned beef, with my very own piccalilli on white tin loaf.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Sarah Lucas is clearly elbowing her way into the Tracy Emin faction of traditional art (indeed I'm told they are friends). Her current exhibition at Whitechapel Gallery until 15 Dec gets this preview from The Guardian.

Her way with everyday materials is extraordinary, especially what she's lately been doing with tights... Coiled together like embracing penises, breasts or exposed innards, they sum up her special gift for evoking a tumultuous mix of bodily vulnerability, desire, fear, misunderstanding and embarrassment.

TANGO will be on the next train to London. Bobo will be making his sandwiches for the journey.

As for me - I'm hoping to get to see it...

I quite like her photography (several examples of which we have hanging in our client meeting rooms at work - along with stuff by Tracy Emin, Damien Hirst, Chris Ofili, Gary Hume, Michael Landy et al... to say that the partner who started our collection had an eye for contemporary art and its politics is an understatement), but the stuff with tights...

[TANGODANCER]

Sarah Lucas is clearly elbowing her way into the Tracy Emin faction of traditional art (indeed I'm told they are friends). Her current exhibition at Whitechapel Gallery until 15 Dec gets this preview from The Guardian.

Her way with everyday materials is extraordinary, especially what she's lately been doing with tights... Coiled together like embracing penises, breasts or exposed innards, they sum up her special gift for evoking a tumultuous mix of bodily vulnerability, desire, fear, misunderstanding and embarrassment.

TANGO will be on the next train to London. Bobo will be making his sandwiches for the journey.

As for me - I'm hoping to get to see it...

I could just ignore the exhibition, that would be easy. I might be tempted to apply a little G,B.H on the person who wrote the description. People actually get paid for doing that?

[Montreal Wanderer]

Sarah Lucas is clearly elbowing her way into the Tracy Emin faction of traditional art (indeed I'm told they are friends). Her current exhibition at Whitechapel Gallery until 15 Dec gets this preview from The Guardian.

Her way with everyday materials is extraordinary, especially what she's lately been doing with tights... Coiled together like embracing penises, breasts or exposed innards, they sum up her special gift for evoking a tumultuous mix of bodily vulnerability, desire, fear, misunderstanding and embarrassment.

TANGO will be on the next train to London. Bobo will be making his sandwiches for the journey.

As for me - I'm hoping to get to see it...

I see what they mean:

[bobo the clown]

I'd have thought "purile" would be the word we're searching for.


(Just so Will doesn't feel let down, that one folks)

If a kid did that in Art class you'd give him a tweak.

[TANGODANCER]

Been a fair old while since I got the watercolour box out. I decided to have a dab at a sort of semi impressionist period type landscape. I called it "Rainy Day at Meryton". Actual painting is 17" x 12" . Won't make the National Gallery but it got me started again. Tracy Emin beware.