Freedman out!

[thebish]

But that's the whole point - neither of them has a particularly predictable outcome, but I'm satisfied that I want someone who has proven past and recent competence to undertake the task in hand. Its fairly straightforward, its how most of us have jobs and/or careers.

So, can we move on, please?

I'm puzzled as to who or what is stopping you or us "moving on"!

go ahead and post another Freedman Out! post - you can do it in super big letters or in a new colour - I'm sure it'll be great. If the mods will let you get away with it - you could even start a whole new thread with a subtly different title. I don't want Freedman out (yet) - and saying so in the Freedman Out thread is (i think) entirely reasonable.

Freedman has managed before - and has won some games - he's proved he can do do the manager job. Coyle has a proven track record of winning some games and getting a team promoted from this division. fair play to you if you want Coyle back because of his proven track record - if that makes sense to you or represents "moving on" - then knock yourself out with excitement at the prospect - but I reserve the right to want to be more patient to see what Dougie has to offer first.

(I'm sure you're just a bit lost cos BWFCi isn't around - and you have withdrawal symptoms!)

I'm rather lost as to which Freedman out post you're referring to, to which I'll be adding?

it's the thread title.

[Lord Kangana]

So, just to be clear here, you're in a thread entitled Freedman Out, and posting in it? Doesn't that mean you are also equally adding nothing to the discussion?

[Athers]

Since Coyle fecked up our start in this league it's been an almost irrecoverable decline. I like Freedman and reckon if we stick with him he'll turn it around, despite what we're going through here. Of course it's not good enough at the moment.

You had me until this point.

We finished 7th last season. Which ever way you cut it, that doesn't fit the MO of irrecoverable decline. Moreover, that was with a team full of players that Coyle bought (like it or not). So we know the players we had were capable of better than they were doing. But we've now added significantly to our squad, and yet results have yet again (I think the important phrase here is "yet again") gone into steep decline. Plotted on a graph, it would be a bit foolish to blame the whole sorry state of this season on a man who left a year ago.

So, rather than it being irrecoverable decline, it was actually recoverable, we after all recovered, but then proceeded to once again enter further decline - to be clear here, we are worse off than at the equivalent stage last season under the previous manager. I think its time to stop blaming the last lot, and start focusing on what it is we're doing wrong right now.

I'll take that as I know I was posting plenty to be disagreed with!

I think it's more a mentality thing really - If anything the resurgence last season seems to have only helped the players to rediscover their 'Premier League On Tour' mindset and that this year we would be a lot better and things would be alright, rather than having to start from scratch and work for it. In fairness many fans may also have fallen into this trap, myself included.

But I'm not in the players' heads.

[thebish]

So, just to be clear here, you're in a thread entitled Freedman Out, and posting in it? Doesn't that mean you are also equally adding nothing to the discussion?

not sure what your point is... "also"? have I accused anyone of not adding to the discussion?

it's a Freedman out thread - I'm expressing my opinion on the subject - do I agree that Freedman should be "out"? - not yet - and I have tried to explain why.

not sure why this is a problem - or why you repeatedly ask that we "move on". move on to what and from what?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Various people have mentioned that Freedman has all but lost the people around him. One of the key people being Sir Lenny of Lawrence

Who, Boris?

[Lord Kangana]

Ok then,


FREEDMAN OUTpossibly if results don't pick up and a suitably qualified candidate can be found

I feel better now.

[boltonboris]

Various people have mentioned that Freedman has all but lost the people around him. One of the key people being Sir Lenny of Lawrence

Who, Boris?

Le Twitterati

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Ok then,


FREEDMAN OUTpossibly if results don't pick up and a suitably qualified candidate can be found

I feel better now.

What's with the colours and the fecking caveats??

[Lord Kangana]

go ahead and post another Freedman Out! post - you can do it in super big letters or in a new colour - I'm sure it'll be great. If the mods will let you get away with it - you could even start a whole new thread with a subtly different title. I don't want Freedman out (yet) - and saying so in the Freedman Out thread is (i think) entirely reasonable.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Ah.

[jaffka]

Eagles apparently being a billy big head and shit stirring.

[Lord Kangana]

Where?

[malcd1]

Where can I find a list of league positions by week for Bolton over the past two years? Is there a nice little website that holds this information in an easily get-at-able format? Only I'm a sort of visual person, and I want to draw a nice little line graph so's I can see, visually, where we're at and the progression/regression we've had.

This is one that goes back to 1998.

http://www.statto.com/football/teams/bo ... /2012-2013" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Sky Sports league table has a good form guide/league position for this season but not for previous ones.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Where can I find a list of league positions by week for Bolton over the past two years? Is there a nice little website that holds this information in an easily get-at-able format? Only I'm a sort of visual person, and I want to draw a nice little line graph so's I can see, visually, where we're at and the progression/regression we've had.

This is one that goes back to 1998.

http://www.statto.com/football/teams/bo ... /2012-2013" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Sky Sports league table has a good form guide/league position for this season but not for previous ones.

Cheers Malcd. Blocked at work (category:gambling) but I'll have a look over it tonight. Thanks.

[thebish]

Where?

in the shower.

[LeverEnd]

Where?

in the shower.

Poyet/Sunderland's showers?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Various people have mentioned that Freedman has all but lost the people around him. One of the key people being Sir Lenny of Lawrence

Who, Boris?

Le Twitterati

Ah, that lot. Never wrong.

[bobo the clown]

Various people have mentioned that Freedman has all but lost the people around him. One of the key people being Sir Lenny of Lawrence

Do you think that's correct Boris.

If so, for him at least, that's huge. I have seen Sir Len as the truly stabilising factor in the inexperienced DF's attempt to manage us.

[Lord Kangana]

In what way has he "lost" them though?

I can't see a wily old campaigner like Lawrence being an easy man to piss off. I can maybe see it from fringe members of the team, even fringe members of the coaching team - being dragged up north, not having the security of contract of the manager, bad results could lead to being out of work, potentially for a period of time given football's fickle nature. But I can't see much of that applying to Lawrence - I'd like to think he's probably done alright out of football. And we're probably a nice little pension booster, I'd imagine.

Any more crumbs?

[boltonboris]

Various people have mentioned that Freedman has all but lost the people around him. One of the key people being Sir Lenny of Lawrence

Do you think that's correct Boris.

If so, for him at least, that's huge. I have seen Sir Len as the truly stabilising factor in the inexperienced DF's attempt to manage us.

I don't really subscribe to it to be honest. Why would he hang about at his age of he's pissed off?

I think I'd be more worried about the likes of Phillips and Lee (both) having any links to the senior set up severed