Time to pop Boneymouth's cherry

[Gooner Girl]

Robinson does NOT rhyme with Lonergan

it doesn't need to! it just has to have the same number of syllables you plum!

Syllables and stresses: "Jermaine McGinlay" wouldn't work. Needs to be a trochee followed by a dactyl, as I'm sure William the White would agree.

quite right!! very good point!

it might not be a huge bugbear to most TW members - but this issue often vexes me with church hymns...

there are gazillions of them - but many congregations (like football crowds) only know a tiny number of tunes... so... many hymnbooks have a "metrical" index for the tunes contained therein... eg. the very common "short metre" (6686) - the numbers relating to the number of syllables in the line...

common metre - 8686
long metre - 8888

and many, many un-named combinations right up to 14 14 14 15 (long-lined hymn!)
via the rare 8585843 -
Angel voices ever ringing
round thy throne of love

trochaic, iambic, anapaestic and dactylic

anyway...

many's the time a vicar has found a hymn with good words but obscure tune - and simply looked for an alternative tune with the metrical index to match the syllable count...

only to find that it doesn't work because:

a) it's in a minor key when the words are jolly
b) all the dominant notes are occupied by insignificant words like and/in/on/to
c) it means words are split and the wrong syllable of the word is emphasized...

tunes are written specifically for hymns for a reason..

one exception, of course, is "while shepherds watched their flocks by night" to the tune "Ilkley Moor bar t'at"

Or you could just sing something more modern and upbeat

[thebish]

Or you could just sing something more modern and upbeat

i didn't mention modern-ness or upbeat-ness... it's the same problem whenever the words were written..

(if by modern you mean the swathe of new worship songs that abound - I find the greater part of their theology DREADFULLY old fashioned...)

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Robinson does NOT rhyme with Lonergan

it doesn't need to! it just has to have the same number of syllables you plum!

Syllables and stresses: "Jermaine McGinlay" wouldn't work. Needs to be a trochee followed by a dactyl, as I'm sure William the White would agree.

quite right!! very good point!

it might not be a huge bugbear to most TW members - but this issue often vexes me with church hymns...

there are gazillions of them - but many congregations (like football crowds) only know a tiny number of tunes... so... many hymnbooks have a "metrical" index for the tunes contained therein... eg. the very common "short metre" (6686) - the numbers relating to the number of syllables in the line...

Interesting, Bish. Aye, whether it's a song of worship at St Benedict's or St James' Park (or for that matter St James Park), it has to hit the right combination of stresses for its words - otherwise it just doesn't 'work', isn't as pleasurable, people aren't as keen to sing it.

Also interesting re the tune stressing the wrong words. I remember decades ago accidentally catching a bit of a documentary in which Stephen Sondheim was explaining how he wrote Sweeney Todd: how he decided that in the opening line "Attend the tale of Sweeney Todd", the most important word was "tale", so he built the melody to rise to that word and fall back from it - and that dictated the whole shape of the tune.

Funnily enough, me and m'daughters were having a similar conversation in the car the other day when they expressed a sudden disappointment in Stevie Wonder's Sir Duke, one of their favourites, because the tune dictates that the second verse says music "...will be one of THE things that life just won't quit..."

Anyway, this is probably a discussion more suited to one of the boards I haven't got time to check... apologies to the bored

[Worthy4England]

I think all things considered, I'll just stick to

"Wanderers, Wanderers, Wanderers,
Wanderers, Wanderers, Wanderers,
Wanderers, Wanderers, Wanderers,
Wandererers, Wanderers."

All rhymes beautifully.

[CAPSLOCK]

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Had a quick mooch and didn't see this

Funny as the normal folks carry on with sane stuff

[bwfcdan94]

Couldn't stop laughing at the Andy Lonergan chant. Who makes these things up?

What was this chant H ? (If I can use your first name ?)

You sure can! To the tune of Simon & Garfunkel's Mrs Robinson:

And here's to you, Andy Lonergan,
Bolton loves you more than you will know,
woah oh oh ohhhhh

Sadly the Mancs beat us to it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAtBfK9obyA

[CAPSLOCK]

And Belgium beat them

Dunno if United beat everybody to it

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[bwfcdan94]

Nope the city version was posted a week earlier then the Belgium one. United clame to have the most original fans and claim to have invented every song that has ever been made when in reality they steal songs from clubs like Bolton and claim it as their song. Most football chants begin in the non league (step2/3)

[Andy Waller]

Robinson does NOT rhyme with Lonergan

it doesn't need to! it just has to have the same number of syllables you plum!

Syllables and stresses: "Jermaine McGinlay" wouldn't work. Needs to be a trochee followed by a dactyl, as I'm sure William the White would agree.

I could only find a troglodyte being taken by a pterodactyl.

Will this do?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

That really is a vintage still...

[Andy Waller]

That really is a vintage still...

Of course it is, it's a dinosaur and a caveman.

Really, like, duh.