Value for money.

[TANGODANCER]

Not done much on articles for a while so I've penned a whimsical little text here to pass the time till Saturday:

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[Devon White]

Thats a little spooky TD, I went in the loft for the xmas decorations today, got the wrong box ! It has a 1958 bolton evening news ''Illustrated Wembley Souvenir'', interesting but before my time.
However, it also has copies of the BEN with match reports containing players like, mcdonagh, ritson, dunne, greaves, allardyce, jones p, walsh, morgan, whatmore, gowling,worthington, jones g, peter thompson, neil mcnab, tad nowak, my point ?
Value for money every game, I cant remember booing or going home totally *is*** off, in relation to wages at the time it wasnt cheap, but seeing peter thompson or frank worthington leave players standing was just a sheer pleasure, all 11 players tried, all 11 had a sweat on, and if ian greaves and co subbed them they didnt sulk ( even frankie ), thanks for writing that TD,
Good to remmeber we have had some players that wanted to play and be successful for the club & themselves.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Cheers for that Tango. Good article.

[bwfcdan94]

Superb article Tango, I would point out that I thought Cahill cared about the club. Cant think of many others mind from the past 5 years. Its a shame that my generation will grow up not knowing what it is like to support a team where the players cared, I would long to see a team of English players at the club let alone Boltonians. Football has changed drastically just in the last 10 years and I do certainly miss the likes of Nobby,K Davies, Whitlow and Simon Charlton players you felt really cared about the club.

[Prufrock]

I think the article disproves its own premise. You can't say times have changed and then name a list of players which goes all the way up to someone who only left six months ago! Your Yourris and Jay Jays were a lot nearer current footballers money wise than they were the boys of old. The reason no-one will remember this lot isn't because they care less about Bolton than Stelios did, it's because there are shit!

I think it's really about as simple as this. You only care about a club if you support them, or you spend a lot of time there. The money involved in football today means a club like ours is unlikely to have players who stay around a long time unless we are stably in the top flight. Any lower and there will always be chopping and changing to try to get back. Back in the day there wasn't the money involved, nor was the world so 'small', nor were there 30 man squads. If you were offered a move, it was like a normal person moving for work. You had ties. Now you can afford to just buy a new hous ein every new city.

[TKIZ!]

Fantastic article that, rather indicative of just football in general that footballers feel little 'love' towards anything but money. Chairmen quick to pull the trigger and 'fans' quick to form opinions

[thebish]

personally I don't really care that much even if I could measure how much a player "loves" or "loved" the club... the love factor isn't what I want them to be bought for... i want them to be able to play football to the standard and in the manner that we need them to play football...

[TANGODANCER]

I think the article disproves its own premise. You can't say times have changed and then name a list of players which goes all the way up to someone who only left six months ago! Your Yourris and Jay Jays were a lot nearer current footballers money wise than they were the boys of old. The reason no-one will remember this lot isn't because they care less about Bolton than Stelios did, it's because there are shit!

I think it's really about as simple as this. You only care about a club if you support them, or you spend a lot of time there. The money involved in football today means a club like ours is unlikely to have players who stay around a long time unless we are stably in the top flight. Any lower and there will always be chopping and changing to try to get back. Back in the day there wasn't the money involved, nor was the world so 'small', nor were there 30 man squads. If you were offered a move, it was like a normal person moving for work. You had ties. Now you can afford to just buy a new hous ein every new city.

It's more or less my point in a roundabout way. Mentioning reasonably recent players is explained in the text, ie to eliminate the "good old days" factor going back to antiquity and prove what a short time can do to club attitude.. Players being shit has little or nothing to do with attitude. If they're that bad they're soon gone anyway. The money factor overrules all else and thus, the fans pay the bill. A constant moan from fans on here is that players don't care and have no pride in the club anymore. That's pretty much undeniable right now. The Youris and Jay-Jays, A Frenchman and a Nigerian were hardly here for the climate were they? At any club today they all follow the yellow brick road. Can you remember a time when pride in playing for Bolton has been so little apparent as it seems right now?

[Prufrock]

They might not care about Bolton per set, but I don't buy they don't care at all. This pride in the shirt is nonsense IMO. They still care about winning; who has played sport to any sort of level and doesn't? They just aren't good enough. Your Nat's would have been off had he been playing today. Money talks. We agree there, but while it has its downsides, it has its ups too.

[thebish]

They might not care about Bolton per set, but I don't buy they don't care at all. This pride in the shirt is nonsense IMO. They still care about winning; who has played sport to any sort of level and doesn't? They just aren't good enough. Your Nat's would have been off had he been playing today. Money talks. We agree there, but while it has its downsides, it has its ups too.

also - any idea that JJ, Campo, Youri and co. were not here quite simply because we offerered them fat wads of cash-wages is simply cuckoo-land... we remember them because they were good - not because they were loyal or loved the town...

[Prufrock]

Aye, and I think they, and particularly your Jussis are great counter examples. Of course a Frenchman and Nigerian and a Finn aren't going to love a town they've never heard of when they move, but Jussi is so settled here he commutes to London to play because he doesn't want to leave. That's not loyalty to the town because it used to pay him shitloads; it's because he spent a lot of time here and settled.

[thebish]

Aye, and I think they, and particularly your Jussis are great counter examples. Of course a Frenchman and Nigerian and a Finn aren't going to love a town they've never heard of when they move, but Jussi is so settled here he commutes to London to play because he doesn't want to leave. That's not loyalty to the town because it used to pay him shitloads; it's because he spent a lot of time here and settled.

it's not anything but what everyone tries to do, surely? find a way of living that offers some stability to your family... it's not especially commendable or worthy of any comparison - favourable or unfavourable with the past or with other players who make other choices...

[Dr.Karl]

There isn't a single player I would call a "cult hero" in our current team. Maybe a fit Holden. The kind of player that fans get behind if lunges into a tackle or takes on a man. I don't think it's due to money per se, we just have a squad full of dull, drab players. I certainly think that is contributing to the apathy towards the team.

[thebish]

^ that's why we should bring back Vaz Te

[TKIZ!]

^ that's why we should bring back Vaz Te

It's his year?

[Jakerbeef]

There isn't a single player I would call a "cult hero" in our current team. Maybe a fit Holden. The kind of player that fans get behind if lunges into a tackle or takes on a man. I don't think it's due to money per se, we just have a squad full of dull, drab players. I certainly think that is contributing to the apathy towards the team.

Lee was close to being such a player before his injury, as was Holden.

I still want to see Lee taking more chances, more shots, taking more men on. Defenders in this league panic if you run at them. Precious few of our lot have worked this out.