The Great Art Debate

[thebish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy85h4MJQos

I hope our artists in residence are never moved to this...

I thought the quality of feedback she was getting was abysmal...

the quality of her own narrative about her own work was pretty shoite too...

[Montreal Wanderer]

... or is it staged and has she just made a name for herself ?

That's what I thought. And on that evidence she'll be hard pressed to sustain herself by peddling that shite!

I would guess it was faked, but....

[TANGODANCER]

Worth watching that for the street artist link on the same page. These guys are utterly amazing.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy85h4MJQos

I hope our artists in residence are never moved to this...

Ooooh. Temper, temper.


... or is it staged and has she just made a name for herself ?

I did wonder whether it was staged... it would be very well observed writing if so - and that 'just my opinion' so well delivered if it were acted!

[William the White]

I saw the Grayson Perry tapestries The Vanity of Small Differences at Manchester Art Gallery this afternoon. They are a 21st Century response to A Rake's Progress and a nice example of the way digital technologies are linking with traditional artistic methods. These tapestries were completed by a digital loom in five hours each. It might have taken rive years in the 15th century.

I really enjoyed them, though not all of them - I thought a couple were too obvious to draw you into the narrative. Still, I'm glad I saw them. Though they don't beat Hogarth. IMHO.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I saw the Grayson Perry tapestries The Vanity of Small Differences at Manchester Art Gallery this afternoon. They are a 21st Century response to A Rake's Progress and a nice example of the way digital technologies are linking with traditional artistic methods. These tapestries were completed by a digital loom in five hours each. It might have taken rive years in the 15th century.

I really enjoyed them, though not all of them - I thought a couple were too obvious to draw you into the narrative. Still, I'm glad I saw them. Though they don't beat Hogarth. IMHO.

Have you seen the three-part documentary that follows Grayson Perry gathering inspiration on 'working class taste' (part one), 'middle class taste' (part two) and 'upper class taste' (part three), ahead of making them?

It's really excellent TV and several of the references in the tapestries become a lot more poignant after watching it.

Do find it on YouTube if you haven't seen it.

[William the White]

I saw the Grayson Perry tapestries The Vanity of Small Differences at Manchester Art Gallery this afternoon. They are a 21st Century response to A Rake's Progress and a nice example of the way digital technologies are linking with traditional artistic methods. These tapestries were completed by a digital loom in five hours each. It might have taken rive years in the 15th century.

I really enjoyed them, though not all of them - I thought a couple were too obvious to draw you into the narrative. Still, I'm glad I saw them. Though they don't beat Hogarth. IMHO.

Have you seen the three-part documentary that follows Grayson Perry gathering inspiration on 'working class taste' (part one), 'middle class taste' (part two) and 'upper class taste' (part three), ahead of making them?

It's really excellent TV and several of the references in the tapestries become a lot more poignant after watching it.

Do find it on YouTube if you haven't seen it.

I haven't yet. It's on my to do list.

This is quite a lengthy list...

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy85h4MJQos

I hope our artists in residence are never moved to this...

I thought the quality of feedback she was getting was abysmal...

I have read a couple of others say this as I have tried to establish whether the whole thing is an acted set-up.

I thought the feedback, although poor, was better expressed than her presenting of the work.

Variously, it is suggested:

1. That the work looks like 'outsider art' - she did say she had deliberately painted it in an 'untrained' way
2. That another colour might work better for the line - probably true
3. That the work might be subconsciously autobiographical - possibly insightful if the producer of the work hadn't considered this

Is that so bad in the context of what they were presented with?

[TANGODANCER]

Variously, it is suggested:

1. That the work looks like 'outsider art' - she did say she had deliberately painted it in an 'untrained' way
2. That another colour might work better for the line - probably true
3. That the work might be subconsciously autobiographical - possibly insightful if the producer of the work hadn't considered this

Is that so bad in the context of what they were presented with?

Okay, admitting lack of knowlege here but:
1. She had deliberately painted it in an untrained way? How could she paint it in a trained way? (what on earth is outsider art?)
2 ? Shouldn't the artist decide that?
3. ?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Variously, it is suggested:

1. That the work looks like 'outsider art' - she did say she had deliberately painted it in an 'untrained' way
2. That another colour might work better for the line - probably true
3. That the work might be subconsciously autobiographical - possibly insightful if the producer of the work hadn't considered this

Is that so bad in the context of what they were presented with?

Okay, admitting lack of knowlege here but:
1. She had deliberately painted it in an untrained way? How could she paint it in a trained way? (what on earth is outsider art?)
2 ? Shouldn't the artist decide that?
3. ?

1. If she had painted it using the formal techniques she had apparently been trained in.
2. Yes - but the point of discussing work with other people is getting their opinion on what works, what might work better and what doesn't work at all.

[TANGODANCER]

Thought I'd stick this up by Maestro JMW Turner just because it's magnificent. Did he do anything that wasn't?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Thought I'd stick this up by Maestro JMW Turner just because it's magnificent. Did he do anything that wasn't?

I don't know that one, but I'm guessing it's quite early work like this of Westminster Abbey, which I like. http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/tur ... bey-tw0378" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Did he ever do anything that wasn't magnificent?

Yes, he had a few flops - you couldn't be as consistently innovative as him and get it right all the time.

[TANGODANCER]

It's the Transept of Ewenny Priory, Glamorganshire

A lot of his works are here: http://tinyurl.com/omeyj4x" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And his watercolours here: http://tinyurl.com/nnghpvd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What constitutes a flop, popular opinion or personal preference?

[thebish]

Thought I'd stick this up by Maestro JMW Turner just because it's magnificent. Did he do anything that wasn't?

aye - all those crappy, murky boat-in-the-fog/smoke/mist paintings!

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

What constitutes a flop, popular opinion or personal preference?

Undoubtedly the latter. I'm a big fan of his work - indeed I see him as Britain's only major homegrown contribution to the grand story of art history - but he did try things that didn't work, from time to time.

[Montreal Wanderer]

What constitutes a flop, popular opinion or personal preference?

Undoubtedly the latter. I'm a big fan of his work - indeed I see him as Britain's only major homegrown contribution to the grand story of art history - but he did try things that didn't work, from time to time.

A slight exaggeration perhaps?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

What constitutes a flop, popular opinion or personal preference?

Undoubtedly the latter. I'm a big fan of his work - indeed I see him as Britain's only major homegrown contribution to the grand story of art history - but he did try things that didn't work, from time to time.

A slight exaggeration perhaps?

Depends how strictly you treat the word 'major'.

I once debated this very lightly with LLS who thought the same as you seem to.

[TANGODANCER]

This is a favourite Venitian scene. Approaching storm. So simple, so effective.

[Montreal Wanderer]

What constitutes a flop, popular opinion or personal preference?

Undoubtedly the latter. I'm a big fan of his work - indeed I see him as Britain's only major homegrown contribution to the grand story of art history - but he did try things that didn't work, from time to time.

A slight exaggeration perhaps?

Depends how strictly you treat the word 'major'.

I once debated this very lightly with LLS who thought the same as you seem to.

Leaving aside the Gainsboroughs, Constables, Rossettis, et al., (who all made contributions to that grand story) who did horses better than Stubbs or, for that matter, portraits better than Reynolds? Turner may be the greatest of our painters, but I believe others made contributions on the world stage.

[TANGODANCER]

Mummy, what are your views on these impressions of the Westminster fire in 1834? I love them personally but what's your view?

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