PLYMOUTH'S stupendously all singing dancing transfer thread!

[BWFC_Insane]

Dawson was a loan player, you don't dream and make your own team on players who aren't your own. One player doesn't make a team.

The manager has to work with what he has got, he isn't doing it, that is the bottom line.

No point dreaming about what is to come, who knows? Probably more great big piles on w*nk under this chancer.

My question is why are you so sure that they'd be any better under a different manager?

I mean, as DSB has pointed out they were about this good without Dawson last season in terms of position and points. So are they not simply performing at their level as a group? I'm by no means stating that as fact, just asking the question really.

Without question what Freedman hasn't managed to do is bond the group to some sort of effective unit other than in the run-in last season. And that could have very well been down to luck. I'm not certain or even confident that he isn't doing about as well as anyone else we could bring in would.

Still I feel personally that short term results (this season, next season) are pretty irrelevant when a fine and/or transfer ban looms large without significant further cost cutting.

[jaffka]

I have done some research and found a list of premiership and championship players out of contract in the summer , most of these names will be on the market for obvious reasons in January and therefore there are some real gems to be had. You will also see many more Bolton names then you may think on there. Holden, Mortiz and Knight(thank f**k) just to name 3. Feeney is also on the market. But the player I think we should really take a look at is Northern Ireland captain Aaron Hughes, he is comfortable on the right and in the centre of defence, he is captain material and has more premiership experience then any of our current squad.

List below for premiership and championship players out of contract in the summer.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/spiel ... _2014.html

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/spiel ... _2014.html

That is very good Dan.

Maybe now you could do a trawl of all the youth teams players who will be out of contract and make your own recommendations. If this board deems them good enough then maybe we could notify the club. You might even get a job out of this.

[Lord Kangana]

I think its well worth the gamble of finding out. Even without Dawson, this group of players weren't this low, when he took over. He's flailing and failing, the longer we wait, the less likely a gamble will succeed. We're still just about in a salvageable season.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think its well worth the gamble of finding out. Even without Dawson, this group of players weren't this low, when he took over. He's flailing and failing, the longer we wait, the less likely a gamble will succeed. We're still just about in a salvageable season.

Dya think so? More faith than I've got right now.

I'm not sure though there are any chips left for the club to gamble with!

[jaffka]

Dawson was a loan player, you don't dream and make your own team on players who aren't your own. One player doesn't make a team.

The manager has to work with what he has got, he isn't doing it, that is the bottom line.

No point dreaming about what is to come, who knows? Probably more great big piles on w*nk under this chancer.

My question is why are you so sure that they'd be any better under a different manager?

I mean, as DSB has pointed out they were about this good without Dawson last season in terms of position and points. So are they not simply performing at their level as a group? I'm by no means stating that as fact, just asking the question really.

Without question what Freedman hasn't managed to do is bond the group to some sort of effective unit other than in the run-in last season. And that could have very well been down to luck. I'm not certain or even confident that he isn't doing about as well as anyone else we could bring in would.

Still I feel personally that short term results (this season, next season) are pretty irrelevant when a fine and/or transfer ban looms large without significant further cost cutting.

A manager who knows what he is doing? Yes I think that we would be doing better, don't you?

In any case we are stuck with him until his contract expires in my opinion.

[Lord Kangana]

I think its well worth the gamble of finding out. Even without Dawson, this group of players weren't this low, when he took over. He's flailing and failing, the longer we wait, the less likely a gamble will succeed. We're still just about in a salvageable season.

Dya think so? More faith than I've got right now.

I'm not sure though there are any chips left for the club to gamble with!

9 points off the play offs. The caveat being that I don't believe Dougie is the man who can get us there. I'd gamble the dead cat bounce right now, just for that chance. We could turn this around in weeks. Could.

[BWFC_Insane]

Dawson was a loan player, you don't dream and make your own team on players who aren't your own. One player doesn't make a team.

The manager has to work with what he has got, he isn't doing it, that is the bottom line.

No point dreaming about what is to come, who knows? Probably more great big piles on w*nk under this chancer.

My question is why are you so sure that they'd be any better under a different manager?

I mean, as DSB has pointed out they were about this good without Dawson last season in terms of position and points. So are they not simply performing at their level as a group? I'm by no means stating that as fact, just asking the question really.

Without question what Freedman hasn't managed to do is bond the group to some sort of effective unit other than in the run-in last season. And that could have very well been down to luck. I'm not certain or even confident that he isn't doing about as well as anyone else we could bring in would.

Still I feel personally that short term results (this season, next season) are pretty irrelevant when a fine and/or transfer ban looms large without significant further cost cutting.

A manager who knows what he is doing? Yes I think that we would be doing better, don't you?

In any case we are stuck with him until his contract expires in my opinion.

Agree with that right now.

As to the first part, I really don't know. I don't know if we could bring in the right sort of person to balance out the long term plan with the short term cost cutting whilst achieving better results. I think it is a tough task.

[jaffka]

Dawson was a loan player, you don't dream and make your own team on players who aren't your own. One player doesn't make a team.

The manager has to work with what he has got, he isn't doing it, that is the bottom line.

No point dreaming about what is to come, who knows? Probably more great big piles on w*nk under this chancer.

My question is why are you so sure that they'd be any better under a different manager?

I mean, as DSB has pointed out they were about this good without Dawson last season in terms of position and points. So are they not simply performing at their level as a group? I'm by no means stating that as fact, just asking the question really.

Without question what Freedman hasn't managed to do is bond the group to some sort of effective unit other than in the run-in last season. And that could have very well been down to luck. I'm not certain or even confident that he isn't doing about as well as anyone else we could bring in would.

Still I feel personally that short term results (this season, next season) are pretty irrelevant when a fine and/or transfer ban looms large without significant further cost cutting.

A manager who knows what he is doing? Yes I think that we would be doing better, don't you?

In any case we are stuck with him until his contract expires in my opinion.

Agree with that right now.

As to the first part, I really don't know. I don't know if we could bring in the right sort of person to balance out the long term plan with the short term cost cutting whilst achieving better results. I think it is a tough task.

That's just your opinion and I think that you have been taken in with Duggie a little too far

How anyone can write off the unknown is beyond me

[BWFC_Insane]

That's just your opinion and I think that you have been taken in with Duggie a little too far

How anyone can write off the unknown is beyond me

I'm not writing it off. I'm just not sure and given the situation we're in and as you say the likelihood we're stuck with what we've got, we probably have to make the best of it, if possible.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

After every defeat - and there's a lot of 'em - I look at the table, with sinking heart, and check how many points we are behind the play-offs. It's still only nine. We're far from out of it, but by the same token we're even further from safe.

I have my doubts that Dougie is the man to take us up, but I have even stronger doubts that the club has written off all hope of promotion. I'm not saying we'll gamble on big-ticket signings but I would be surprised if the manager isn't given some wage-wedge for loans or short-termers, possibly off the list Dan has intelligently provided. For a start, you imagine Cardiff will have a few new faces pushing solid Championship performers toward the door.

[jaffka]

That's just your opinion and I think that you have been taken in with Duggie a little too far

How anyone can write off the unknown is beyond me

I'm not writing it off. I'm just not sure and given the situation we're in and as you say the likelihood we're stuck with what we've got, we probably have to make the best of it, if possible.

Well there we go, one of us could say the unknown manager would be shit hot, the other saying he would be shit. There is absolutely no way of knowing what would happen.

Very much like all these teams that get picked for all sorts of matches, nobody will ever know how they do as they don't play that particular game.

Stick to the facts of where we are.

[bwfcdan94]

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/spiel ... _2014.html

There you go , a full list of Premiership u21s(who haven't been given first team contracts) and who will be due to leave their clubs in June. We will be losing Andrew Kellet, Jay Lynch, Nial Maher, James Kelly and Oscar Threlkeld 3 of who I have seen play. Kellet to me looks the real deal, he can play anywhere along the back line and clearly has an for trouble (I.E his positional sense is very good) he also can attack which is something demanded by managers in their full backs at the least. Lynch will not get opportunities here with Bogdan and Lonergan ahead of him. As for Threlkeld his problem is that he just is not a centre back IMO, he gets beaten to easily and lacks positional sense, he may be better of in the centre of midfield IMO. So really the only one I would be desperate to keep is Kellet. I could not tell you much about Maher as I have not seen him play as is the case with James Kelly.

There is a couple of names in Boyata and Afobe who I think we have seen to much of. But again there is some very good talent there. For starters there is two of my former school pals Aaron Burch(West Brom) and Jake Cooper(Reading). I have heard Jake despite only being 18 is likely to be given a first team contract next year and at 6ft 7 tall and a centre back I wouldn't say no to him. Aaron is a very good player, he is quick and can and dosent mind getting stuck in, a bit an all round midfielder. Both were part of my years school team that became British champions (of all schools) in year 10 and sunk to just winning the English schools cup the year after. So they come from good stock. That is just 2 of the 9 lads who wee in my year at school and have gone on to become professional football/rugby players. Personally if I was going to pick anyone it would be Aaron Burch simply because he is so quick but can fight for the ball as well.

Sorry if I bragged about my school year to much, but it is something to be proud of, no wonder I couldn't get a game!

[bwfcdan94]

That's just your opinion and I think that you have been taken in with Duggie a little too far

How anyone can write off the unknown is beyond me

I'm not writing it off. I'm just not sure and given the situation we're in and as you say the likelihood we're stuck with what we've got, we probably have to make the best of it, if possible.

Well there we go, one of us could say the unknown manager would be shit hot, the other saying he would be shit. There is absolutely no way of knowing what would happen.

Very much like all these teams that get picked for all sorts of matches, nobody will ever know how they do as they don't play that particular game.

Stick to the facts of where we are.

Like me with Boothroyd.

[thebish]

Clearly Freedman wanted to sign further players. Whether he expected to or not who knows?

I don't think anyone can say that what we started with had everything we needed, it clearly didn't. Whether that is because we signed the wrong players or more were promised to the manager that didn't materialise right now I guess doesn't matter so much.

Point is we didn't go "balls out" for promotion by spending loads. We were cautious whilst not totally restrictive. So I'd say we hedged our bets.

The same crap as before your sabbatical.

Are there any managers anywhere who never want to add or replace players?

I think that club did back him by allowing him to bring in so many players, I certainly think that we should be doing a damn site better than what we are. Only one person can be blamed for that, and he ain't up to it.

^ I think you've been missing BWFCi - at least let him get his feet back under the table!!

[jaffka]

That's just your opinion and I think that you have been taken in with Duggie a little too far

How anyone can write off the unknown is beyond me

I'm not writing it off. I'm just not sure and given the situation we're in and as you say the likelihood we're stuck with what we've got, we probably have to make the best of it, if possible.

Well there we go, one of us could say the unknown manager would be shit hot, the other saying he would be shit. There is absolutely no way of knowing what would happen.

Very much like all these teams that get picked for all sorts of matches, nobody will ever know how they do as they don't play that particular game.

Stick to the facts of where we are.

Like me with Boothroyd.

Boothroyd is that good, the bottom club in the football league binned him off. So I am sticking to the facts in saying that he is shit and that you are a prick in suggesting him.

[bwfcdan94]

I will have the my opinion and the rest of the forum have theirs.....

[boltonboris]

I will have the my opinion and the rest of the forum have theirs.....

And we all appreciate your wrong opinion

[bwfcdan94]

Fair enough although in reality we both know that neither me or you know whether my opinion is wrong unless we gave Boothroyd the Bolton job or signed Aaron Hughes for that matter but neither is looking likely at the moment.

[truewhite15]

Fair enough although in reality we both know that neither me or you know whether my opinion is wrong unless we gave Boothroyd the Bolton job or signed Aaron Hughes for that matter but neither is looking likely at the moment.

Sorry Dan, but in this particular scenario, we know your opinion is wrong without your man being given the job.

[General Mannerheim]

Were in for Tom Kennedy from Barnsley (formerly Bury, Rochdale, Leicester) but Barnsleys managerial shake up has stalled things...