Freedman out!

[Lord Kangana]

Look, that was a piss poor joke, but I really don't think you'd need a source to claim that Dougie is a clueless chancer. He's shown as much very quickly, whilst simultaneously fooling a goodly percentage of our fans.

[Hoboh]

Want more?

[Gary the Enfield]

Want more?

Mmmmmmm..... Jack in the Box

[Athers]

Los Pollos Hermanos?

[Hoboh]

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[Belmont White]

The simple fact is that since Allardyce BWFC have not had a manager.
They have had a procession of coaches, who have exuded zero authority.

When the players trudged in at HT last Saturday, they looked like they were irritated as they anticipated the reception DF would give them.
Under similar circumstances under Allardyce, one look at his face before HT, and they would look fearful approaching the tunnel.

Finding a proper manager will not be easy.
Its not just the personality, but his appointment and role in the club.
Take Moyes as an example, at Everton he appeared to be totally in control, at Manure he has the authority of a nervous temp manager.

Whoever is appointed eventually, I just hope that if we are 2-0+ down at HT, my first thought is "wouldn't like to be them when they get in the changing room".

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/10949375etcetc

Well, that cheered me up. Nice to know that people can froth at the mouth and still operate a pen or keyboard.

EDIT sorry about the screen-breaking width of that quote.

[LeverEnd]

The simple fact is that since Allardyce BWFC have not had a manager.
They have had a procession of coaches, who have exuded zero authority.

When the players trudged in at HT last Saturday, they looked like they were irritated as they anticipated the reception DF would give them.
Under similar circumstances under Allardyce, one look at his face before HT, and they would look fearful approaching the tunnel.

Finding a proper manager will not be easy.
Its not just the personality, but his appointment and role in the club.
Take Moyes as an example, at Everton he appeared to be totally in control, at Manure he has the authority of a nervous temp manager.

Whoever is appointed eventually, I just hope that if we are 2-0+ down at HT, my first thought is "wouldn't like to be them when they get in the changing room".

Very good point. Management, especially at this level, seems to be about strong characters who can impose their will on the players.
It appears Dougie can't do this. If a manager can't then he has to be exceptional in some other way (tactics/coaching) or get lucky with a great bunch of lads (Coyle at Burnley?).
Dougie fits into none of these categories which is why he is failing so miserably.

[BWFC_Insane]

The simple fact is that since Allardyce BWFC have not had a manager.
They have had a procession of coaches, who have exuded zero authority.

When the players trudged in at HT last Saturday, they looked like they were irritated as they anticipated the reception DF would give them.
Under similar circumstances under Allardyce, one look at his face before HT, and they would look fearful approaching the tunnel.

Finding a proper manager will not be easy.
Its not just the personality, but his appointment and role in the club.
Take Moyes as an example, at Everton he appeared to be totally in control, at Manure he has the authority of a nervous temp manager.

Whoever is appointed eventually, I just hope that if we are 2-0+ down at HT, my first thought is "wouldn't like to be them when they get in the changing room".

Very good point. Management, especially at this level, seems to be about strong characters who can impose their will on the players.
It appears Dougie can't do this. If a manager can't then he has to be exceptional in some other way (tactics/coaching) or get lucky with a great bunch of lads (Coyle at Burnley?).
Dougie fits into none of these categories which is why he is failing so miserably.

If it is that simple we can just go balls out for Warnock. Or Roy Keane.

Certain clubs in certain situations are harder than others to manage. I would suggest Bolton is probably up there as one of the toughest right now.

[boltonboris]

That also says more about our players than Freedman.. He had no problem imposing his will on supposed 'lesser players' at Palace.

[StaffsTrotter]

Let me just get this straight.

Someone is appointed to manage a football club that are bottom of the division they play in. He recruits three people to be his coaching staff and eighteen months later, the club sit top of the same division.

The same someone, having now been appointed to manage another club, in the same division, chooses to recruit the same three coaches.

That's jobs for the boys?

And I'm the c*nt.

Glad I got that straight.

with your partisan views and agressive delivery style, don't see why you are surprised

[LeverEnd]

I'm not saying it's that simple. Just that it's a factor. Of course it says a lot about our players, but it takes more than a novice to make the best of a bad job.
Warnock would do me til the end of the season. Keane is the new Souness, would just fall out with everyone, a strong managerial character doesn't do that.

[boltonboris]

After what's been said by players, I'd rather not be associated with another manager who supposedly gets up top no good. Founded or not.

[Il Pirate]

As I get slated for banging the Gary Neville drum, I'll put me sticks down. But would suggest now OGS has gone to Cardiff, a couple of different names than those suggested by my wife, who considers that Syd Little, H from Steps or Cheryl Baker could all do a better job than our current incumbent. How about Mike Phelan ? (I know, I know, another DMB). Keith Hill from Rochdale, (although he made a mess at Barnsley). Or thinking out loud..........What about an audacious and ludicrous aproach and gamble on Alan Hansen now he's leaving MOTD? He'd certainly sort our defence out, and may just fancy the smell of the boot room again. What's the worst that could happen? We could end up getting relegated and having a sheeite manager. Oh, yes we've done / got that already.

[Norpig]

As I get slated for banging the Gary Neville drum, I'll put me sticks down. But would suggest now OGS has gone to Cardiff, a couple of different names than those suggested by my wife, who considers that Syd Little, H from Steps or Cheryl Baker could all do a better job than our current incumbent. How about Mike Phelan ? (I know, I know, another DMB). Keith Hill from Rochdale, (although he made a mess at Barnsley). Or thinking out loud..........What about an audacious and ludicrous aproach and gamble on Alan Hansen now he's leaving MOTD? He'd certainly sort our defence out, and may just fancy the smell of the boot room again. What's the worst that could happen? We could end up getting relegated and having a sheeite manager. Oh, yes we've done / got that already.

As I have mentioned in another thread, how are we going to fund this as it is not as simple as sacking the manager. There is all the backroom staff and even youth team staff which may not want to work under a different manager. We would have to pay up some of the DF teams contracts off to get rid. On top of this we then have to pay to recruit a new manager and backroom staff. We have no money for players, please could someone explain to my small slow working brain how we are going to pay for tis change in management. Which may or may not work, I refer you to when we got rid of Coyle which cost a lot and have we improved under a different manager? I say use the very little money we have on changing the failing playing staff and stick with the current manager for now.

PS I do not think DF is doing a great job I am thinking more of the future of the club and the inherent cost of changing managers every 18 months. I would sooner the money be spent on shipping out the failures and shipping in players who actually want to play for Bolton Wanderers.

[BWFC_Insane]

As I get slated for banging the Gary Neville drum, I'll put me sticks down. But would suggest now OGS has gone to Cardiff, a couple of different names than those suggested by my wife, who considers that Syd Little, H from Steps or Cheryl Baker could all do a better job than our current incumbent. How about Mike Phelan ? (I know, I know, another DMB). Keith Hill from Rochdale, (although he made a mess at Barnsley). Or thinking out loud..........What about an audacious and ludicrous aproach and gamble on Alan Hansen now he's leaving MOTD? He'd certainly sort our defence out, and may just fancy the smell of the boot room again. What's the worst that could happen? We could end up getting relegated and having a sheeite manager. Oh, yes we've done / got that already.

Yeah lets get someone who has never managed, has never shown an inclination to manage and I suspect would be a hundred times worse than what we've got at the minute.

IF we are going to change IT HAS to be a manager who has a proper proven track-record at this level of football, or what is the point? We might as well gamble that Freedman who has at least shown the ability to build a team from scraps elsewhere can repeat that here. Certainly that would be more likely to be successful than plucking a pundit out and making them manager.

[bobo the clown]

I do have to say BlueBeard that for reasons entirely unrelated to him being an ex-Rag who is a mouthy gob-shite and is known to have previously referred to his dislike of Bolton and it's fans ... and nothing to do with his mean-spirited, arrogant rat-faced persona ... I would doubt he should start a managerial career with a club in some degree of crisis (unless that be Stretford, or Wolves maybe).

It would be a HUGE leap of faith (even if he was interested) that he would make it as a manager. One we can't afford.

[Hoboh]

The simple fact is that since Allardyce BWFC have not had a manager.
They have had a procession of coaches, who have exuded zero authority.

When the players trudged in at HT last Saturday, they looked like they were irritated as they anticipated the reception DF would give them.
Under similar circumstances under Allardyce, one look at his face before HT, and they would look fearful approaching the tunnel.

Finding a proper manager will not be easy.
Its not just the personality, but his appointment and role in the club.
Take Moyes as an example, at Everton he appeared to be totally in control, at Manure he has the authority of a nervous temp manager.

Whoever is appointed eventually, I just hope that if we are 2-0+ down at HT, my first thought is "wouldn't like to be them when they get in the changing room".

Very good point. Management, especially at this level, seems to be about strong characters who can impose their will on the players.
It appears Dougie can't do this. If a manager can't then he has to be exceptional in some other way (tactics/coaching) or get lucky with a great bunch of lads (Coyle at Burnley?).
Dougie fits into none of these categories which is why he is failing so miserably.

If it is that simple we can just go balls out for Warnock. Or Roy Keane.

Certain clubs in certain situations are harder than others to manage. I would suggest Bolton is probably up there as one of the toughest right now.

You need other things than just a big mouth you know.

[Riviman]

Marc Iles ‏@MarcIles 19m
Respect to Zat Knight and Jay Spearing tonight for some very honest answers at the BWSA social. #bwfc
Marc Iles ‏@MarcIles 17m
Well done to the fans too for keeping questions (largely) strong but fair. Think both lads did themselves some good. #bwfc
Marc Iles ‏@MarcIles 16m
Not going into details - I'm sure others who were there will do that - just suffice it to say I thought they handled themselves well.


Not entirely illuminating.

I went to the BWSA meeting and as there is no other report here's what I can remember (it's an age thing!!).
In no particular order they said
Both players appologised for the poor performance
No one, players or staff saw it coming.
There are players who are not up to life in the championship
Every game is now a cup final
Spearing prefers playing with 2 up front
Knight prefers a left / right footed centre back partnership ie him and Ream or Mills and Ream
Beckford out for at least 4 weeks.
Players had a meeting after the Reading match without DF there and sorted out a few home truths.
One guy had a right go at Knight, you're rubbish, not fit to wear the shirt etc etc. Spearing had a go back at the guy Knight great captain, does lots in dressing room etc, Knight said everyone entitled to their opinion and he was big enough to defend himself. No one goes out to make mistakes or play badly he was sure that the questioner had bad days at work as well.
Knight respected as club captain in the dressing room, on the pitch Spearing the team captain although they both gave input on the fied.
Knight said he could have feigned an injury at half time in the Boro game after his 2 howlers but as a professional that's not in his make up, you forget about it and move on.
Holden back doing warm ups with the team then goes off doing 3 and 4000 meter runs. Holden going back to USA this weekend to see his specialist and returns in a week or so.
There must have been other things said but the grey matter hasn't retained it.
All in all an interesting if not fairly predicable response from the 2 captains.

To be fair both players answered honestly and didn't shirk any of the questions or comments, fair play to them for turning up it would have been easy to decline

[boltonboris]

I agree with BWFCi above. It needs to be a been there done it manager. But not necessarily one who's an absolute cvnt like Warnock.

Can't be arsed with his ilk anymore. Regardless of track record. There's a reason why he never gets a long run anywhere and it's because he's a cvnt (as I may have mentioned before)