Freedman out!

[Lord Kangana]

He saw fit to pick some of Coyle's players over his own, then subbed one of his own for Eagles today. I'd be able to swallow that as (yet another) excuse if he simply dropped all the "Coyle legacy" players and played his own. He doesn't. Indeed, he's just loaned one of his own out, and punted that Scottish lad who he brought in. Both scored today.

[jonnycooper]

sack dougie and give to jimmy philips at least he knows our young lad and will give them a chance .

You said that once!

[StaffsTrotter]

Ok, lets try and be objective and not reactive to one game. We've had a poll on here very recently and the majority still wanted to keep DF. Its a similar split on othe forums. The dougie keepers seem to be based now more on a mix of the stability argument, can't afford dismissal, crossed fingers hope it will turn out alright, rather than he is the new mourinho.

We are seriously in the shite . . seriously. Not beat a team above what 14th, 2 home wins, away form going down the pan. The transfers to me seem journeyman lower champship level. I have no belief that we have at the moment the necessary in the management team to get us out of this - nothing personal and no matter what he says about seeing what needs to be done

So please, can the majority tell me what the feck are the signs we are a hairs breadth from a turnaround to ensure we at least survive in this league, and aren't just reliant on crossed fingers and hope ?

[Worthy4England]

As the owner of this club Eddie Davies needs to be asked whether he gives a feck anymore

If the answer is Yes - then the fans need an answer to why Gartside & Freedman are still in a job, unless he wants to re live the 80s

This would be the bloke that's just underwritten a year's worth of £50m debt?

Sometimes you sound really ridhicoluus, PT.

[officer_dibble]

We'd sack him if we could afford it!

[Peter Thompson]

As the owner of this club Eddie Davies needs to be asked whether he gives a feck anymore

If the answer is Yes - then the fans need an answer to why Gartside & Freedman are still in a job, unless he wants to re live the 80s

This would be the bloke that's just underwritten a year's worth of £50m debt?

Sometimes you sound really ridhicoluus, PT.

I'll excuse the bad cough ?

My question is whether ED still gives a feck now in 2014, its not about all the great work the man's done over the past 10 years, that goes without saying.

It's all about does he still have the appetite now....I get the impression that he's not as focused as he used to be, hence why Gartside & Freedman are allowed to continue this debacle. Also did he really write off £50M from his own pocket ??

[Lost Leopard Spot]

No he didn't.
He was owed 99m two years ago.
He's owed £110m now.
That's not a £50m loss

[StaffsTrotter]

As the owner of this club Eddie Davies needs to be asked whether he gives a feck anymore

If the answer is Yes - then the fans need an answer to why Gartside & Freedman are still in a job, unless he wants to re live the 80s

This would be the bloke that's just underwritten a year's worth of £50m debt?

Sometimes you sound really ridhicoluus, PT.

I'll excuse the bad cough ?

My question is whether ED still gives a feck now in 2014, its not about all the great work the man's done over the past 10 years, that goes without saying.

It's all about does he still have the appetite now....I get the impression that he's not as focused as he used to be, hence why Gartside & Freedman are allowed to continue this debacle. Also did he really write off £50M from his own pocket ??

I've commented before, that we should give nothing but thanks to ED. I can't comprehend what it must be like to throw so much of your own money and in essence trust a stream of snake oil salesman to spend it wisely - as they say normal business rules don't apply to football. I'd got the impression though that ED was frustrated by FFP and otherwise would have supported DF (100% unsubstantiated)

[Jugs]

I backed him for ages, always gave him the benefit of the doubt. Things really started to go wrong for me during the Leicester away game (when he brought Pratley on at half-time in an unprecedented early sub move, although I continued to back him at the time to my mate) and then got much worse a few days later when he dropped both our scorers from the said Leicester away game (so difficult for anyone to score there, let alone twice like moritz did) for the home game with 'Boro. Yet he kept the same entire defence that conceded 5 goals in that said game. We were 2-0 down after 20 minutes. Then he justified it by saying he picks his team 'a week or two' before a game. Then we get battered 7-1 by Reading, he bemoans the defence, criticises them. Yet keeps playing them all, refusing to give young White a go until Ream almost gets knocked out a few games later. Refusing to prioritise defenders in the transfer window, going for attackers instead, trading other attackers in the meantime. Refusing to recall strikers, even though we've only got one fit. Refusing to give youth a proper chance. Refusing to put a young striker on the bench today. Refusing to play Mortiz, a player he bought and claimed was special, a player we know is good enough to play. Refusing to keep a steady eleven at any point in the season, even when we were doing relatively okay. Keeping the same, shoddy defence but always changing the midfield and attack.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

After careful consideration, it has to be said, he's a tit.
Here is a promise. If ED keeps him, and he turns out to be the new A Ferguson, then I'll pick a random team from the Conference and support them instead...

[Leyther]

How many points do you need to stay up in this league in a 'usual' season - must be at least a point a game over the season? The players clearly don't believe they can win games combined with Dougie's love of the draw (well trying and failing to get a draw) means I can't see a flurry of wins coming anytime soon. Fact is that the Clown is staying and we need another 20 or so points. Not looking good at all.

The Bournemouth game could get very nasty for him (well if you count a few boos and then a grumble/trudge to the bus as nasty).

[Worthy4England]

As the owner of this club Eddie Davies needs to be asked whether he gives a feck anymore

If the answer is Yes - then the fans need an answer to why Gartside & Freedman are still in a job, unless he wants to re live the 80s

This would be the bloke that's just underwritten a year's worth of £50m debt?

Sometimes you sound really ridhicoluus, PT.

I'll excuse the bad cough ?

My question is whether ED still gives a feck now in 2014, its not about all the great work the man's done over the past 10 years, that goes without saying.

It's all about does he still have the appetite now....I get the impression that he's not as focused as he used to be, hence why Gartside & Freedman are allowed to continue this debacle. Also did he really write off £50M from his own pocket ??

If the answer is yes, he still gives a fcuk, then you say "so how come he's not sacked Gartside and Freedman" - might be that he thinks they're doing the best job with what they have. We might disagree, but frankly, that's tough shit, unless you happen to know anyone that wants to spend £163m on a football club?

I'm not sure what you mean by did he write off from his own pocket. It's not coming from a magic tree. We owed Moonshift £136m in the previous Reporting period. We now owe them £153m. That's Davies' Investment Company. Our overall liabilities increased from £104m to £155m.

I'm gutted we have someone who cares so little.

[Peter Thompson]

As the owner of this club Eddie Davies needs to be asked whether he gives a feck anymore

If the answer is Yes - then the fans need an answer to why Gartside & Freedman are still in a job, unless he wants to re live the 80s

This would be the bloke that's just underwritten a year's worth of £50m debt?

Sometimes you sound really ridhicoluus, PT.

I'll excuse the bad cough ?

My question is whether ED still gives a feck now in 2014, its not about all the great work the man's done over the past 10 years, that goes without saying.

It's all about does he still have the appetite now....I get the impression that he's not as focused as he used to be, hence why Gartside & Freedman are allowed to continue this debacle. Also did he really write off £50M from his own pocket ??

If the answer is yes, he still gives a fcuk, then you say "so how come he's not sacked Gartside and Freedman" - might be that he thinks they're doing the best job with what they have. We might disagree, but frankly, that's tough shit, unless you happen to know anyone that wants to spend £163m on a football club?

I'm not sure what you mean by did he write off from his own pocket. It's not coming from a magic tree. We owed Moonshift £136m in the previous Reporting period. We now owe them £153m. That's Davies' Investment Company. Our overall liabilities increased from £104m to £155m.

I'm gutted we have someone who cares so little.

Worthy, I haven't got a clue what your trying to say or justify....I'm not having a go at ED I'm asking whether he still has the appetite to make key decisions or is he at the pipe & slippers stage.

I will ask you whether you 'think they're doing the best job with what they have'....cause I certainly don't

But you carry on squire....

[Leyther]

And let's not get out of hand with the Eddie Davies milk race. He's a very rich man who has put a relatively small proportion of his personal wealth into the Wanderers - sure we owe him lots of money but that isn't quite the same thing. It has meant he's seen and enjoyed some good times and some very good players like the rest of us but he also has to take some responsibility for the current mess we are in. You can blame Lee, Megson, Coyle, Freedman and Gartside all you like but he's the bloke at the top of the tree. Surely there has to come a point when he rings Phil up of a Saturday evening and starts shouting at him? That sounds more therapeutic than bashing on this bloody keyboard - anybody got his number?

[Lord Kangana]

Alternatively, you could be worried that we owe that much to someone. With no guarantee that we won't, at some point, have to honour it. And that that person is controlling the destiny of our club.

I'm getting increasingly worried about what the medium-term future of our club holds.

[Worthy4England]

PT, I'm not trying to justify anything. From where I sit, he still "gives a feck". He may have the appetite to make key decisions, but have chosen not to. That's quite possible. That fact he's not making the key decisions you're looking for doesn't mean he's at the pipe and slippers stage.

As to whether they're doing the best job with what they have. ED may well view a new CEO coming in as a bad thing. Gartside knows how the financial relationship works between Burnden Leisure, Moonshift and more than likely ED. They clearly have some re-structuring plans in place (hence the shift from PLC to private company) and maybe this is more key right now than anything else.

As for Freedman - not good enough for me.

[Peter Thompson]

I'm getting increasingly worried about what the medium-term future of our club holds.

I'm just worried that there doesn't appear to be anyone in a decision making capacity doing anything to address our alarmingly rapid decline....that gets worse every week.

[Worthy4England]

And let's not get out of hand with the Eddie Davies milk race. He's a very rich man who has put a relatively small proportion of his personal wealth into the Wanderers - sure we owe him lots of money but that isn't quite the same thing. It has meant he's seen and enjoyed some good times and some very good players like the rest of us but he also has to take some responsibility for the current mess we are in. You can blame Lee, Megson, Coyle, Freedman and Gartside all you like but he's the bloke at the top of the tree. Surely there has to come a point when he rings Phil up of a Saturday evening and starts shouting at him? That sounds more therapeutic than bashing on this bloody keyboard - anybody got his number?

So what do you think has occurred that has managed to give us a non-banking facility of £155m?

[cmbfc_90]

If I owned a business that was losing money hand over fist, I'd be looking out or looking for help with investments/sell some of my shares etc.
During the transfer window try and sell some of my assets such as Davies or lee and invest that back in2 the club, nothing like this happened so is it really that bad financially? And I can't see Dougie being or huge wages myself

[StaffsTrotter]

And let's not get out of hand with the Eddie Davies milk race. He's a very rich man who has put a relatively small proportion of his personal wealth into the Wanderers - sure we owe him lots of money but that isn't quite the same thing. It has meant he's seen and enjoyed some good times and some very good players like the rest of us but he also has to take some responsibility for the current mess we are in. You can blame Lee, Megson, Coyle, Freedman and Gartside all you like but he's the bloke at the top of the tree. Surely there has to come a point when he rings Phil up of a Saturday evening and starts shouting at him? That sounds more therapeutic than bashing on this bloody keyboard - anybody got his number?

unbelievable, truly unbelievable