Freedman out!

[BWFC_Insane]

I mean the problem is it seems he just can't work with these players who know they're leaving the club, can't get them going. But longer term I assume and hope that he is going to be working to that sort of mandate.

This is the bit of propagated nonsense that runs away with itself if it isn't challenged.

He's brought plenty of his own players to the club. Plenty. Indeed, he's already seen fit to ship some out. And he seems to prefer the players he has been left to the players he bought. What other explanation can there be, other than he considers them better? Otherwise, he's not playing our best 11. And that's grounds enough for dismissal.

Isn't as clear cut as that. You need a committed group, all pulling in the same direction. I think that has even hard to achieve. We haven't been able to simply jettison half a squad nor seemingly been able to motivate them.

That is a failing rather than an excuse. But I don't think the situation was one that many managers would have found easy, especially ones in the early parts of their careers.

[jaffka]

I mean the problem is it seems he just can't work with these players who know they're leaving the club, can't get them going. But longer term I assume and hope that he is going to be working to that sort of mandate.

This is the bit of propagated nonsense that runs away with itself if it isn't challenged.

He's brought plenty of his own players to the club. Plenty. Indeed, he's already seen fit to ship some out. And he seems to prefer the players he has been left to the players he bought. What other explanation can there be, other than he considers them better? Otherwise, he's not playing our best 11. And that's grounds enough for dismissal.

Isn't as clear cut as that. You need a committed group, all pulling in the same direction. I think that has even hard to achieve. We haven't been able to simply jettison half a squad nor seemingly been able to motivate them.

That is a failing rather than an excuse. But I don't think the situation was one that many managers would have found easy, especially ones in the early parts of their careers.

That's what a good manager does. Unites the group and gets them pulling in the same direction. He isn't doing this.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

But isn't that the hope? He's done similar at Palace and built a team on scraps and kids that was at the top of the table. Isn't that why he's here because that is the long term plan, cut the wage bill and bring in cheaper players and develop the kids?

He was a manager for about 5 minutes, that had a small run of good results that came after a longer run of crapper results. He's done nothing yet to prove anything apart from he might have got lucky with a small run of good results. On any normal he would be ranked as a punt, a long shot or an outsider. We've punted and lost the bet big time. We either keep the gamble going until there is nothing left, or we seek professional help.

[LeverEnd]

But isn't that the hope? He's done similar at Palace and built a team on scraps and kids that was at the top of the table. Isn't that why he's here because that is the long term plan, cut the wage bill and bring in cheaper players and develop the kids?

He was a manager for about 5 minutes, that had a small run of good results that came after a longer run of crapper results. He's done nothing yet to prove anything apart from he might have got lucky with a small run of good results. On any normal he would be ranked as a punt, a long shot or an outsider. We've punted and lost the bet big time. We either keep the gamble going until there is nothing left, or we seek professional help.

Perfectly summed up.

[Leyther]

Lovely article about our Dougie in the Daily Record today. I'd include the link but have the computer skills of a newt. I can well imagine Gartside buying his educating youngsters drivel alongside the psychology crap - he loves a philosophy in his managers. Watch out Leyton Orient, Rochdale and Shrewsbury our kids will destroy you in years to come!

And there must be car owners all over Greenock who are thankful of the day he headed to QPR.

[Little Green Man]

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[StaffsTrotter]

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does make you wonder why he went down the manager route, since his passion seems (from this article and other things he has said) coaching kids

[wigan white]

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does make you wonder why he went down the manager route, since his passion seems (from this article and other things he has said) coaching kids

100% agree. From reading that article, it seems that he'd be more happier setting up an academy and running that, rather than managing a first team. Really bizarre in my eyes.

[LeverEnd]

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does make you wonder why he went down the manager route, since his passion seems (from this article and other things he has said) coaching kids

100% agree. From reading that article, it seems that he'd be more happier setting up an academy and running that, rather than managing a first team. Really bizarre in my eyes.

At least he's got that to fall back on, because I can't see him being a successful manager. I've thought for a while that's what he'll end up doing.

[Leyther]

The cynic tells me this is great spin by a football manager. "Don't get too worried about the short term buy into my vision - give me 5 years on decent money and i'll sort it - we'll be the Ajax of the north". The long game smoke screen for a short term profession. The non cynic sees a man with a genuine aim and belief - shame he's wank at first team affairs.

[Jugs]

He isn't developing any kids here. He can't even bring himself to stick a young striker on the bench, instead preferring to have no striker on the bench. He also prefers to play a centre-half at full back instead of giving young White a go.

[ChrisC]

He isn't developing any kids here. He can't even bring himself to stick a young striker on the bench, instead preferring to have no striker on the bench. He also prefers to play a centre-half at full back instead of giving young White a go.

To be fair, I do think the younger players would have seen more game time if we was winning more games. Hardly a good environment to be blooding youngsters at the moment.

[SmokinFrazier]

But isn't that the hope? He's done similar at Palace and built a team on scraps and kids that was at the top of the table. Isn't that why he's here because that is the long term plan, cut the wage bill and bring in cheaper players and develop the kids?

He was a manager for about 5 minutes, that had a small run of good results that came after a longer run of crapper results. He's done nothing yet to prove anything apart from he might have got lucky with a small run of good results. On any normal he would be ranked as a punt, a long shot or an outsider. We've punted and lost the bet big time. We either keep the gamble going until there is nothing left, or we seek professional help.

Yeah, his work at Palace has been overrated. If you look at his record, the only thing which stands out is the record he had at the end of his stay at Palace. It wasn't a prolonged period of success, it was a mere 8 games which included 6 wins. That's it. Palace had lost the other 3 league games that season too so it wasn't like it was a great start. Looking at his record, you can clearly see why some Palace fans wanted him to be sacked at the start of that season.

We hired Freedman because of a run of 6 wins in 8 games. Prior to that run, Palace had played 12 league games and had a record of 10 losses and 2 draws, so lets not pretend he did anything substantial for them.

There was no turnaround for Palace. They had a decent squad, he made them a mid-table team and they had a good run of 8 games. Ian Holloway did a better job than Freedman did at Palace, without question, and I'd be thankful if I was a Palace fan that Freedman had left when he did. They should be grateful that he doesn't have an ounce of loyalty.

[LeverEnd]

But isn't that the hope? He's done similar at Palace and built a team on scraps and kids that was at the top of the table. Isn't that why he's here because that is the long term plan, cut the wage bill and bring in cheaper players and develop the kids?

He was a manager for about 5 minutes, that had a small run of good results that came after a longer run of crapper results. He's done nothing yet to prove anything apart from he might have got lucky with a small run of good results. On any normal he would be ranked as a punt, a long shot or an outsider. We've punted and lost the bet big time. We either keep the gamble going until there is nothing left, or we seek professional help.

Yeah, his work at Palace has been overrated. If you look at his record, the only thing which stands out is the record he had at the end of his stay at Palace. It wasn't a prolonged period of success, it was a mere 8 games which included 6 wins. That's it. Palace had lost the other 3 league games that season too so it wasn't like it was a great start. Looking at his record, you can clearly see why some Palace fans wanted him to be sacked at the start of that season.

We hired Freedman because of a run of 8 wins in 6 games. Prior to that run, Palace had played 12 league games and had a record of 10 losses and 2 draws, so lets not pretend he did anything substantial for them.

There was no turnaround for Palace. They had a decent squad, he made them a mid-table team and they had a good run of 8 games. Ian Holloway did a better job than Freedman did at Palace, without question, and I'd be thankful if I was a Palace fan that Freedman had left when he did. They should be grateful that he doesn't have an ounce of loyalty.

Wow! He must be good.

[SmokinFrazier]

But isn't that the hope? He's done similar at Palace and built a team on scraps and kids that was at the top of the table. Isn't that why he's here because that is the long term plan, cut the wage bill and bring in cheaper players and develop the kids?

He was a manager for about 5 minutes, that had a small run of good results that came after a longer run of crapper results. He's done nothing yet to prove anything apart from he might have got lucky with a small run of good results. On any normal he would be ranked as a punt, a long shot or an outsider. We've punted and lost the bet big time. We either keep the gamble going until there is nothing left, or we seek professional help.

Yeah, his work at Palace has been overrated. If you look at his record, the only thing which stands out is the record he had at the end of his stay at Palace. It wasn't a prolonged period of success, it was a mere 8 games which included 6 wins. That's it. Palace had lost the other 3 league games that season too so it wasn't like it was a great start. Looking at his record, you can clearly see why some Palace fans wanted him to be sacked at the start of that season.

We hired Freedman because of a run of 8 wins in 6 games. Prior to that run, Palace had played 12 league games and had a record of 10 losses and 2 draws, so lets not pretend he did anything substantial for them.

There was no turnaround for Palace. They had a decent squad, he made them a mid-table team and they had a good run of 8 games. Ian Holloway did a better job than Freedman did at Palace, without question, and I'd be thankful if I was a Palace fan that Freedman had left when he did. They should be grateful that he doesn't have an ounce of loyalty.

Wow! He must be good.

My mistake!

[Jugs]

He isn't developing any kids here. He can't even bring himself to stick a young striker on the bench, instead preferring to have no striker on the bench. He also prefers to play a centre-half at full back instead of giving young White a go.

To be fair, I do think the younger players would have seen more game time if we was winning more games. Hardly a good environment to be blooding youngsters at the moment.

Just speculation and conjecture unfortunately.

[Armchair Wanderer]

He isn't developing any kids here. He can't even bring himself to stick a young striker on the bench, instead preferring to have no striker on the bench. He also prefers to play a centre-half at full back instead of giving young White a go.

To be fair, I do think the younger players would have seen more game time if we was winning more games. Hardly a good environment to be blooding youngsters at the moment.

Just speculation and conjecture unfortunately.

If we were winning very few would care who was playing!

[jaffka]

If we were winning he wouldn't be changing a settled team.

Quite why when what he is doing now repeatedly doesn't work, why not try different players.

[bobo the clown]

He isn't developing any kids here. He can't even bring himself to stick a young striker on the bench, instead preferring to have no striker on the bench. He also prefers to play a centre-half at full back instead of giving young White a go.

To be fair, I do think the younger players would have seen more game time if we was winning more games. Hardly a good environment to be blooding youngsters at the moment.

... because NOT playing any is working out just fine ??

I just feel one could be on the bench. If they don't get on they're in good company. If they get 10-20 minutes what could go wrong for them ? They fail to get into the game .... they miss a sitter ... a seasoned pro takes controls them. All "so what" ... we're getting that now.

Now, and I'm not saying they are of this standard but, Rooney and Owen were playing for England at 17.

[ChrisC]

He isn't developing any kids here. He can't even bring himself to stick a young striker on the bench, instead preferring to have no striker on the bench. He also prefers to play a centre-half at full back instead of giving young White a go.

To be fair, I do think the younger players would have seen more game time if we was winning more games. Hardly a good environment to be blooding youngsters at the moment.

... because NOT playing any is working out just fine ??

I just feel one could be on the bench. If they don't get on they're in good company. If they get 10-20 minutes what could go wrong for them ? They fail to get into the game .... they miss a sitter ... a seasoned pro takes controls them. All "so what" ... we're getting that now.

Now, and I'm not saying they are of this standard but, Rooney and Owen were playing for England at 17.

My point was aimed more at not wanting to bring kids into a team with a poor mentality and doing really well at losing

No good for the kids if the big boys are shouting at them for making mistakes. In a happier team players don't usually start the blame game and pointing fingers. The big boys would be more sympathetic and go about helping them in the right way rather than giving them a bollocking.